8 reale 1818

[diggingitrtb]

out with hogge yesterday went to a spot we thought had a hole to dig but what looked like a hole in the winter well it wasnt all that walking for nothing.so we took a ride up the mountain to much snow still,so hogge asked if i wanted to go to the button field,a place we have hit a number of times, i said sure but i only have a couple hours and i got to go.well its a good thing we went there,after twenty mins,i got a one way hit,so i started digging after digging a one foot deep hole and two feet wide,i still had nothing,but it was beeping,i was loosing hope and started detecting in a different area of the field.almost gave up,after 10 mines i found myself over the grater i had dug ,as i stared into the hole i thought theres something in there,and with one more shovel full it was on the surface i didnt even know what i had ,but it said 1818 was heavy and was silver,so i called hogge over and he said it was an 8 reale,spanish silver.first coin of the year,you gotta luv that

 

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[Woodland Detectors]

You betcha you gotta love that!
And it's in fine shape as well

 

[Rickiowa2009]

What a great find!

 

[hogge]

It was a great find for Rich and I was happier than him I think. First question is........Carolus IIII, (Carlos), were only minted til 1808. Second........The "A", is upsidedown on the Obverse. It rings like silver when dropped, and the edge has the circles and lines of a Spanish minted coin, but somethings not right. When I threw it on the ground and went over it with my detector it rang up on penny, or copper, not silver. I believe this is a very well made, contemporary, counterfeit. But then again, I was reading that some Carolus IIII dies were sold, or sent to Peru, and some 8 reales were minted well after the reign of Carlos IIII. I think we need some help on this one. Hogge

 

[Iron Patch]

Nice!! Any 8 reale that nice is a banner find!!! Welcome to the big 8 club!

 

[diggingitrtb]

thanks i enjoy being a member of the big 8 club

 

[hogge]

I'm going to get the coin from Rich later and post better pics. IP........Do you have any input on what I said in my previous post?

 

[Iron Patch]

I'm going to get the coin from Rich later and post better pics. IP........Do you have any input on what I said in my previous post?

Funny, in the chat I had just said a late date like that seems funny to me. Are you sure no mints made them that late? It definitely looks like a silver coin.

I know some reales do have letters like that with the A, so not sure if it's an error.

 

[hogge]

I'm going to get the coin from Rich later and post better pics. IP........Do you have any input on what I said in my previous post?

Funny, in the chat I had just said a late date like that seems funny to me. Are you sure no mints made them that late? It definitely looks like a silver coin.

Did you notice the upside down A? I know some reales do have letters like that, so not sure if it's an error.

Was reading that the Peru mint made some from purchased dies. But that doesn't explain the upside down "A". Doesn't appear to be a re-cut die. Looks silver to me too, but it rang up as penny when I had it out oif the hole . STRANGE P.S.-------This coin was WELL over 14-16" down. I'm surprised the detector even picked it up. Rich said it was a weak signal to start.

 

[Iron Patch]

I'm going to get the coin from Rich later and post better pics. IP........Do you have any input on what I said in my previous post?

Funny, in the chat I had just said a late date like that seems funny to me. Are you sure no mints made them that late? It definitely looks like a silver coin.

Did you notice the upside down A? I know some reales do have letters like that, so not sure if it's an error.

Was reading that the Peru mint made some from purchased dies. But that doesn't explain the upside down "A". Doesn't appear to be a re-cut die. Looks silver to me too, but it rang up as penny when I had it out oif the hole . STRANGE P.S.-------This coin was WELL over 14-16" down. I'm surprised the detector even picked it up. Rich said it was a weak signal to start.

I have seen the upside down A before on other reales. I'm sure there is an easy answer. Either it's a variety we just have to find, or a very good counterfeit. But it clearly looks silver.

 

[Deepdiger60]

I'm going to get the coin from Rich later and post better pics. IP........Do you have any input on what I said in my previous post?

Funny, in the chat I had just said a late date like that seems funny to me. Are you sure no mints made them that late? It definitely looks like a silver coin.

Did you notice the upside down A? I know some reales do have letters like that, so not sure if it's an error.

Was reading that the Peru mint made some from purchased dies. But that doesn't explain the upside down "A". Doesn't appear to be a re-cut die. Looks silver to me too, but it rang up as penny when I had it out oif the hole . STRANGE P.S.-------This coin was WELL over 14-16" down. I'm surprised the detector even picked it up. Rich said it was a weak signal to start.

Looks like a Chinese fake i looked it up heres a pic and a experts opinion on someones else coin found i hope its not a fake Dd60

Expert: Brad Swain - 4/22/2009

Hi Bob, you are correct. Although it looks real the date is all wrong for this piece's design.
Spanish King Charles IV reigned 1788-1808.
The mint official's initials TH were used 1803-10.
This coin should weigh 27.07 grams and would contain .7797 of an ounce of silver.
With this much wear if real it would still only be worth $10-$15.
Counterfeits and fantasy pieces mass produced in East Asia, the Middle East and Eastern Europe abound of Chinese and U.S. coins, and many other countries'.
Most older counterfeits weigh up light, are grayish, may have a weakly struck look to appear worn, look cleaned or antiqued and may have a dull or grainy surface or have typographical errors. Newer ones show that the counterfeiters are refining their skills and obtaining planchets of the right weight to produce passable counterfeits. Weighing it may be the best telltale of its genuinness.

 

[hogge]

I'm going to get the coin from Rich later and post better pics. IP........Do you have any input on what I said in my previous post?

Funny, in the chat I had just said a late date like that seems funny to me. Are you sure no mints made them that late? It definitely looks like a silver coin.

Did you notice the upside down A? I know some reales do have letters like that, so not sure if it's an error.

Was reading that the Peru mint made some from purchased dies. But that doesn't explain the upside down "A". Doesn't appear to be a re-cut die. Looks silver to me too, but it rang up as penny when I had it out oif the hole . STRANGE P.S.-------This coin was WELL over 14-16" down. I'm surprised the detector even picked it up. Rich said it was a weak signal to start.

Looks like a Chinese fake i looked it up heres a pic and a experts opinion on someones else coin found i hope its not a fake Dd60

Expert: Brad Swain - 4/22/2009

Hi Bob, you are correct. Although it looks real the date is all wrong for this piece's design.
Spanish King Charles IV reigned 1788-1808.
The mint official's initials TH were used 1803-10.
This coin should weigh 27.07 grams and would contain .7797 of an ounce of silver.
With this much wear if real it would still only be worth $10-$15.
Counterfeits and fantasy pieces mass produced in East Asia, the Middle East and Eastern Europe abound of Chinese and U.S. coins, and many other countries'.
Most older counterfeits weigh up light, are grayish, may have a weakly struck look to appear worn, look cleaned or antiqued and may have a dull or grainy surface or have typographical errors. Newer ones show that the counterfeiters are refining their skills and obtaining planchets of the right weight to produce passable counterfeits. Weighing it may be the best telltale of its genuinness.

Richies coin is DEFINITELY NOT a Chinese fake. OF THAT I AM 100 % SURE. It does look like a silver coin. I have to weigh it. But it is HEAVY. I'm going to post this on the C-4 website and see what they say.

 

[Don in SJ]

I think it is a period counterfeit, I suggest you contact Gord, reference his website, contact info listed on front page, there is an 1818 8 Reale listed with IIII but no upside down A, but they do exist evidently.

http://www.counterfeitcoins.com/index.html


http://www.counterfeitcoins.com/8reales/8reales1818-06-jp-lima.jpg

Don

 

[Iron Patch]

I'm going to get the coin from Rich later and post better pics. IP........Do you have any input on what I said in my previous post?

Funny, in the chat I had just said a late date like that seems funny to me. Are you sure no mints made them that late? It definitely looks like a silver coin.

Did you notice the upside down A? I know some reales do have letters like that, so not sure if it's an error.

Was reading that the Peru mint made some from purchased dies. But that doesn't explain the upside down "A". Doesn't appear to be a re-cut die. Looks silver to me too, but it rang up as penny when I had it out oif the hole . STRANGE P.S.-------This coin was WELL over 14-16" down. I'm surprised the detector even picked it up. Rich said it was a weak signal to start.

Looks like a Chinese fake i looked it up heres a pic and a experts opinion on someones else coin found i hope its not a fake Dd60

Expert: Brad Swain - 4/22/2009

Hi Bob, you are correct. Although it looks real the date is all wrong for this piece's design.
Spanish King Charles IV reigned 1788-1808.
The mint official's initials TH were used 1803-10.
This coin should weigh 27.07 grams and would contain .7797 of an ounce of silver.
With this much wear if real it would still only be worth $10-$15.
Counterfeits and fantasy pieces mass produced in East Asia, the Middle East and Eastern Europe abound of Chinese and U.S. coins, and many other countries'.
Most older counterfeits weigh up light, are grayish, may have a weakly struck look to appear worn, look cleaned or antiqued and may have a dull or grainy surface or have typographical errors. Newer ones show that the counterfeiters are refining their skills and obtaining planchets of the right weight to produce passable counterfeits. Weighing it may be the best telltale of its genuinness.

Richies coin is DEFINITELY NOT a Chinese fake. OF THAT I AM 100 % SURE. It does look like a silver coin. I have to weigh it. But it is HEAVY. I'm going to post this on the C-4 website and see what they say.

Yep, weigh it. I've been talking to Don and it sure seems like a silver counterfeit.

 

[Iron Patch]

I think it is a period counterfeit, I suggest you contact Gord, reference his website, contact info listed on front page, there is an 1818 8 Reale listed with IIII but no upside down A, but they do exist evidently.

http://www.counterfeitcoins.com/index.html


http://www.counterfeitcoins.com/8reales/8reales1818-06-jp-lima.jpg

Don

I have definitely seen an upside down A on a reale, and is a variety, but since this is most likely counterfeit it is possible it could be an error.

 

[diggingitrtb]

just weighed coin 28.8 grams

 

[Deepdiger60]

I think it is a period counterfeit, I suggest you contact Gord, reference his website, contact info listed on front page, there is an 1818 8 Reale listed with IIII but no upside down A, but they do exist evidently.

http://www.counterfeitcoins.com/index.html


http://www.counterfeitcoins.com/8reales/8reales1818-06-jp-lima.jpg

Don

I have definitely seen an upside down A on a reale, and is a variety, but since this is most likely counterfeit it is possible it could be an error.

I see what your saying its a real coin from that period but its possibly a error made that would be even more cool

 

[hogge]

Coin weighs 28.8 grams..........Will pass on additional info as it becomes available

 

[Don in SJ]

I think Gord has to be contacted, he is the one who is studying counterfeit Spanish. I think the weight is too heavy. Also, the assayer is TH, which is 1803-1810, so almost certain, along with the upside down A that it is a period counterfeit.

Don

 

[Iron Patch]

I retract my upside down A comment. I think it's probably an error, what i recall is something different, upside down mint mark variety maybe. I have seen an upside down A on a counterfeit copper.