Tom_in_CA
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- Mar 23, 2007
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Hi Af. Hope you're doing ok these days.
Art, treasure hunters do not dig "dry holes". Everytime a detector beeps, there's metal there. Sure, it may be junk, but the "beep" can be demonstrated over and over, each time you swing the coil, by anyone and everyone who cares to swing over it. For example: I can prop up my metal detector in my living room and turn it on. Then I take 100 random people from off-the-street, and line them up. Each one comes by and waves an item in front of the coil. For each of them, they will all hear the "beep". It is a repeatable scientific test, that works no matter who waves the object. Likewise, if they wave their empty hand, it will NOT give a signal, even if all 100 of them wave an empty hand as part of the test, they too will get no signal.
So in that sense, no ... md'rs do not get dry-holes.
But for dowsers, I read all the time that a dowser follows a signal and get nada, or determine that the signal came from a nearby car or sheet of tin, or something. For example: One time our metal detecting club was out at an organized hunt at a park. A few of the hunters took time off from the planted hunt, to go play horse-shoes. One player accidentally through his horseshoe SO far, that it went down a slope or cliff that was next to the horseshoe pit. They went to look for it, but couldn't find it. So one guy, who was into dowsing says "no problem! I'll just dowse for it". The rest of us looked on .... as he wandered around in the tall grass looking for the horseshoe. No luck. So the guy looks around, and announces that the nearby cars in the parking lot were messing up his signal.
Don't you get it? You deny that dowsers get dry holes. How can you get away with saying that despite all the days you get nothing? Same as the dowser example in the paragraph above: merely write off any lack of success to disturbances, spooks, sun-spots, minerals etc.... and "presto! No dry holes! The rod is working perfectly". It's circular logic. I mean, ANYWHERE the rod leads you, is likely to be metal. And all the rod-user needs to do once he arrives at the destination, is to simply find something metal nearby, and "presto, the rod was working". Think of it: If you go anywhere that people have congregated, lived, etc... there's bound to be metal scrap, cans, tabs, tin, etc... right? So once you put the rod down, when you've arrived at ruins or wherever, and turn on the metal detector, of course you will eventually find something metal. Then in your mind, the "rod led you to that", thus the "rod is working perfectly"
I've done research before on homestead sites, that ... unfortunately, the historical data was only good enough to lead us to a certain valley or field. From there, it would require lots of walking around and sampling, to eventually find the exact spot where the habitation was (which will be evidenced by the ultimate sounds of iron, etc...). But what interests me, is that while I'm wandering around portions that eventually turn out to not be anywhere NEAR the habitation, is that no soil, that has even been remotely close to the influence of mankind, is ever sterile. I mean, it seems that no matter how far into the boondocks a person goes, you'll still get a random nail, or piece of bailing wire, or bullet shell, etc .... You'd have to be pretty far into where no man has ever set foot before, to find an area where there is simply zero metal.
So to apply that to dowsing, the same thing applies: No matter where you walk, if you are within the sphere of influence of modern man, there will .... with enough coil swinging, eventually be some metal object. Cow pastures, row crops, vineyards, etc... Even if no homes were ever there, there will gauranteed be some metal items to be found. So when your rod leads you to one such dead-end, you merely find a few scraps of whatever, and you think "the rod worked"
Art, treasure hunters do not dig "dry holes". Everytime a detector beeps, there's metal there. Sure, it may be junk, but the "beep" can be demonstrated over and over, each time you swing the coil, by anyone and everyone who cares to swing over it. For example: I can prop up my metal detector in my living room and turn it on. Then I take 100 random people from off-the-street, and line them up. Each one comes by and waves an item in front of the coil. For each of them, they will all hear the "beep". It is a repeatable scientific test, that works no matter who waves the object. Likewise, if they wave their empty hand, it will NOT give a signal, even if all 100 of them wave an empty hand as part of the test, they too will get no signal.
So in that sense, no ... md'rs do not get dry-holes.
But for dowsers, I read all the time that a dowser follows a signal and get nada, or determine that the signal came from a nearby car or sheet of tin, or something. For example: One time our metal detecting club was out at an organized hunt at a park. A few of the hunters took time off from the planted hunt, to go play horse-shoes. One player accidentally through his horseshoe SO far, that it went down a slope or cliff that was next to the horseshoe pit. They went to look for it, but couldn't find it. So one guy, who was into dowsing says "no problem! I'll just dowse for it". The rest of us looked on .... as he wandered around in the tall grass looking for the horseshoe. No luck. So the guy looks around, and announces that the nearby cars in the parking lot were messing up his signal.
Don't you get it? You deny that dowsers get dry holes. How can you get away with saying that despite all the days you get nothing? Same as the dowser example in the paragraph above: merely write off any lack of success to disturbances, spooks, sun-spots, minerals etc.... and "presto! No dry holes! The rod is working perfectly". It's circular logic. I mean, ANYWHERE the rod leads you, is likely to be metal. And all the rod-user needs to do once he arrives at the destination, is to simply find something metal nearby, and "presto, the rod was working". Think of it: If you go anywhere that people have congregated, lived, etc... there's bound to be metal scrap, cans, tabs, tin, etc... right? So once you put the rod down, when you've arrived at ruins or wherever, and turn on the metal detector, of course you will eventually find something metal. Then in your mind, the "rod led you to that", thus the "rod is working perfectly"
I've done research before on homestead sites, that ... unfortunately, the historical data was only good enough to lead us to a certain valley or field. From there, it would require lots of walking around and sampling, to eventually find the exact spot where the habitation was (which will be evidenced by the ultimate sounds of iron, etc...). But what interests me, is that while I'm wandering around portions that eventually turn out to not be anywhere NEAR the habitation, is that no soil, that has even been remotely close to the influence of mankind, is ever sterile. I mean, it seems that no matter how far into the boondocks a person goes, you'll still get a random nail, or piece of bailing wire, or bullet shell, etc .... You'd have to be pretty far into where no man has ever set foot before, to find an area where there is simply zero metal.
So to apply that to dowsing, the same thing applies: No matter where you walk, if you are within the sphere of influence of modern man, there will .... with enough coil swinging, eventually be some metal object. Cow pastures, row crops, vineyards, etc... Even if no homes were ever there, there will gauranteed be some metal items to be found. So when your rod leads you to one such dead-end, you merely find a few scraps of whatever, and you think "the rod worked"
). And if I did find a coin in the line the shoe pointed, well WHAT'Ya know! My dowsing shoe worked! (future science will of course prove how it worked). Unless you can link me to something that says all science has been discovered, you can not deny my dowsing tennis shoe works, right? 
