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[XLTer]

He also does'nt see anything wrong with the arms build up in DHS . Kinda funny that quite a few Senators agree with our same concerns ......

But , since it was first mentioned on Info Wars , it was instantly discredited .....

 

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[0121stockpicker]

If you believe in constitutional law why did you say you see nothing wrong with obama killing Americans citizens on American soil? You saw nothing wrong with the use of drones on American soil to kill American citizens he perceived as terrorists. That violates at least 3 articles of the Bill of Rights.

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Sure. Because I believe it is up to the judicial branch of our government with the final say being the Supreme Court who determines what is constitutional and what is not. I do not believe that you or I make the call on constitutionality. I believe in the wonderful system of government that our founding fathers created and put my trust in that wonderful system that our founding fathers created.

Is the purpose of this board to discuss issues related to the protection of the second amendment or to discuss my personal beliefs? I'm more than happy to discuss my beliefs but do not appreciate accusations or hostility.

I think it's best to discuss the issues at hand and not personal issues.

 

[0121stockpicker]

He also does'nt see anything wrong with the arms build up in DHS . Kinda funny that quite a few Senators agree with our same concerns ......

But , since it was first mentioned on Info Wars , it was instantly discredited .....

Senators pandering for votes - boy that's a surprise. Xlt - tell us how many bullets the dhs has taken delivery of?

 

[0121stockpicker]

He also does'nt see anything wrong with the arms build up in DHS . Kinda funny that quite a few Senators agree with our same concerns ......

But , since it was first mentioned on Info Wars , it was instantly discredited .....

And if its a buildup, what was the order rate of arms during the previous decade that makes its order level a "buildup"?

 

[0121stockpicker]

He also does'nt see anything wrong with the arms build up in DHS . Kinda funny that quite a few Senators agree with our same concerns ......

But , since it was first mentioned on Info Wars , it was instantly discredited .....

And yes any supposed news source that "reports" on FEMA death camps I immediately view with an eye of skepticism. Don't you immediately discount any "news" coming from the so called "mainstream media"?

 

[Treasure_Hunter]

Sure. Because I believe it is up to the judicial branch of our government with the final say being the Supreme Court who determines what is constitutional and what is not. I do not believe that you or I make the call on constitutionality. I believe in the wonderful system of government that our founding fathers created and put my trust in that wonderful system that our founding fathers created.

Is the purpose of this board to discuss issues related to the protection of the second amendment or to discuss my personal beliefs? I'm more than happy to discuss my beliefs but do not appreciate accusations or hostility.

I think it's best to discuss the issues at hand and not personal issues.

You said you believe in constitutional law, yet said you support the use of drones on Americans on US soil, which by passes all courts and leaves it up to the whim of the President and CIA

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[0121stockpicker]

You said you believe in constitutional law, yet said you support the use of drones on Americans on US soil, which by passes all courts and leaves it up to the whim of the President and CIA

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Give me examples were the courts have been bypassed and attacks carried out on a "whim".

 

[Chadeaux]

Sure.

I believe folks need to think for themselves and not just sheepishly follow a political party line.

Finally, common ground.

Sure. Because I believe it is up to the judicial branch of our government with the final say being the Supreme Court who determines what is constitutional and what is not. I do not believe that you or I make the call on constitutionality. I believe in the wonderful system of government that our founding fathers created and put my trust in that wonderful system that our founding fathers created.

Is the purpose of this board to discuss issues related to the protection of the second amendment or to discuss my personal beliefs? I'm more than happy to discuss my beliefs but do not appreciate accusations or hostility.

I think it's best to discuss the issues at hand and not personal issues.

Then why do you approve of drone strikes, on U.S. soil, on individuals who have not been tried and convicted as per the Bill of Rights (Amendments 4, 5 and 6 in particular)? If you respect that document, then why do you want to see it drug through the blood of What's his name's political enemies?

And if its a buildup, what was the order rate of arms during the previous decade that makes its order level a "buildup"?

That has already been done in another thread. Perhaps you have read it and forgotten it --- the buildup is real.

Give me examples were the courts have been bypassed and attacks carried out on a "whim".

It hasn't happened yet (that we know of), however, we have enough examples of ATF and other Federal police forces using force when it was not needed. I mean, how dangerous is an unarmed pregnant woman holding a baby who is more than 100 yards away from your person? Ruby Ridge is your answer. The warrants were not for her but for her husband Randy Weaver. Now, for someone to be able to shoot so well, he damned sure should have been able to tell the difference between Randy and his pregnant wife. Then again, maybe he saw the child as an "assault weapon"?

 

[Crispin]

Stocky,

The writing is on the wall. Proceed at your own risk. You have my eternal admiration.

Crispin

 

[0121stockpicker]

Finally, common ground.

Then why do you approve of drone strikes, on U.S. soil, on individuals who have not been tried and convicted as per the Bill of Rights (Amendments 4, 5 and 6 in particular)? If you respect that document, then why do you want to see it drug through the blood of What's his name's political enemies?

That has already been done in another thread. Perhaps you have read it and forgotten it --- the buildup is real.

It hasn't happened yet (that we know of), however, we have enough examples of ATF and other Federal police forces using force when it was not needed. I mean, how dangerous is an unarmed pregnant woman holding a baby who is more than 100 yards away from your person? Ruby Ridge is your answer. The warrants were not for her but for her husband Randy Weaver. Now, for someone to be able to shoot so well, he damned sure should have been able to tell the difference between Randy and his pregnant wife. Then again, maybe he saw the child as an "assault weapon"?

I fully support the system of government created by our founding fathers with its system of check and balances on the power of any individual branch of the government.

I believe that constitutional law is amazingly complex and that without a tremendous amount of information on an issue and an amazing amount of knowledge on constitutional law that one can not determine the constitutionality of an issue. This is why we have a Supreme Court and why is you follow constitutional law at all you will notice that most cases are NOT unanimous - correct? So even with our smartest constitutional judges they can look at an issue an come up with completely different conclusions - correct. If everything was so "obvious" with constitutional law this obviously would not be the case. I think it is wrong to oversimplify the issues before the court and believe there are simple black / white answers.

Ruby ridge was a complete tragedy but I would say that the fact it happens so infrequently in a country of our size is a testament to our form of government and law enforcement system. But anytime you have a situation with heavily armed people like RR or Waco you risk potential overreaction by law enforcement in my opinion. I wonder if you believe that being heavily armed helped the cause of the people at RR or Waco. It certainly was/is their constitutional right - unless they had illegal weapons?

 

[Treasure_Hunter]

You talk all around it but still not address why you said it is okay to kill Americans on US soil with out due process of law, the due process that our Bill of Rights guaranties all Americans...

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[0121stockpicker]

You talk all around it but still not address why you said it is okay to kill Americans on US soil with out due process of law, the due process that our Bill of Rights guaranties all Americans...

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Who ever said that. I said it was up to the courts to decide what the government was proposing was constitutional or not. Unlike you I do NOT assume that I have omniscient power to know all. This is why our founding father created this great system of ours. Or do you not believe in the American system?

 

[0121stockpicker]

You talk all around it but still not address why you said it is okay to kill Americans on US soil with out due process of law, the due process that our Bill of Rights guaranties all Americans...

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I am curious about your fixation on what I do and don't believe? I'm more than happy to share but I do find it interesting. Plus I thought you were just posting "ignore" after each one of my posts - or was that someone else?

 

[Treasure_Hunter]

I posted it because you posted you are a republican and believe in constitutional law yet that violates at least 3 articles in our BORs...

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[0121stockpicker]

I posted it because you posted you are a republican and believe in constitutional law yet that violates at least 3 articles in our BORs...

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So are you calling me a lier? I thought that was against the rules of tnet?

 

[0121stockpicker]

I posted it because you posted you are a republican and believe in constitutional law yet that violates at least 3 articles in our BORs...

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Show me the court ruling saying "that" violates ... ?

 

[0121stockpicker]

I posted it because you posted you are a republican and believe in constitutional law yet that violates at least 3 articles in our BORs...

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Or do you know more than the Supreme Court?

 

[0121stockpicker]

So there are no further misunderstandings....

The 2nd Amendment Forum was NOT open to debate if the 2nd amendment is good, or its relevance in today's world......

The 2nd amendment is already in the Bill of Rights of our Constitution.

This forum was opened to keep members informed of the new gun laws being proposed that attack the 2nd amendment, hence the name 2nd Amendment Watchdog....

The 2nd Amendment is NOT open for debate, or attack on this forum. The right of an American citizen to be armed under the 2nd Amendment is an established right in our Bill of Rights and our Constitution.

If some members wish to debate the relevance of the 2nd or if our right to keep and bear arms should be allowed then they should seek out another forum to discuss it on...

If a post or thread disappears it is because a mod or admin feels it or a part of it violated a rule or the purpose of the forum.

Other Mods are in agreement on this. We remind some members who may object to this that TreasureNet is a PRIVATE OWN forum with public access.

If any have a complaint about this you can discuss it via PMs, either among yourselves or a mod via PM.

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Funny I didn't see " figuring out if stockpicker is a republican" in the above description of what this thread is suppose to be about. But I certainly don't mind. Waiting for my big batch of soup to cook up. Chicken / vegetable. Added in a nice helping of mushrooms in this one and contemplating whether to add barley or not. Any suggestions appreciated.

 

[0121stockpicker]

I posted it because you posted you are a republican and believe in constitutional law yet that violates at least 3 articles in our BORs...

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I am sorry that you and others distrust our form of government so much and do not believe in the system set up by our founding fathers. I don't think it's absolutely perfect but I do believe for the most part that it does a great job.

 

[Rebel - KGC]

You said you believe in constitutional law, yet said you support the use of drones on Americans on US soil, which by passes all courts and leaves it up to the whim of the President and CIA

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Use of Drones now under control of DOD... a WAR "thing"!