1700's British sword buckle found in Bradenton fl

[Storageunit1]

 

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[Storageunit1]

Close.....JEFF

Lol...yes I know Jeff...I stopped today and showed him the buckle....

 

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[villagenut]

Small world we live in.... did you dig this and give it to him?

 

[ARC]

After VillageNut's confirmation... Congrats StorageUnit1 on a stellar find... and this should absolutely make BANNER.
Well done and keep up working the area your in... stellar find.

 

[scruggs]

Nice find!

 

[oldmxrat]

That's a super cool find, big congrats!

 

[Kray Gelder]

An awesome find. Must have been in a bone-dry area to have none of the usual patina on the buckle or hardware.

 

[Lenrac2]

That's an AMAZING find!! Congrats!!

 

[villagenut]

An awesome find. Must have been in a bone-dry area to have none of the usual patina on the buckle or hardware.

Very sandy soil here in the part of Florida he dug it. It is kind to brass artifacts, but generally more patination on the surface.

 

[villagenut]

Expanding on an earlier post a where I mentioned the plantation at Negro Point.....in John Lee Williams account he says it was established by Ambrister and Arbuthnot, two Brittish citizens who were aiding runaway slaves, who had joined up with Black Seminoles. This was their way of continuing the work of George Woodbine, a Brittish officer who helped establish Negro Fort near St. Augustine. Both Ambrister and Arbuthnot were tried and convicted by Andrew Jackson for their aiding the blacks as they did. One was hung and the other was shot in a firing squad. Eventually, Jackson pushed the blacks further south and as they settled in there maroon communities, he would give chase, kill them, or return them to their previous deplorable state. Thus came the ruins of the plantation at Negro Point the John Lee Williams wrote about. So, yes the British were here as they assisted in setting up new communities for those oppressed byAndrew Jackson........now whether this buckle is part of the evidence is anybody guess....which is the case unless more proofs are added to the pot. But there is historical accounts that do shed light on what facts we may know.

 

[villagenut]

I would like to see the backside of the buckle though.

 

[ARC]

I would like to see the backside of the buckle though.

I second that.

 

[godisnum1]

Those are incredible finds! I'm just over the Skyway in Saint Petersburg and mostly beach hunt, even though I've relic hunted for over 18 years. I got permissions from a couple property owners down there near the Gamble Plantation and detected down there, but never found any period items, sadly. I need to get back down there again at some point with my Legend. There's also another location that I need to poke around as well when I get the chance...

Bran <><

 

[pepperj]

I would like to see the backside of the buckle though.

It would be great to see the back, wonder if it will happen?

 

[TheCannonballGuy]

StroageUnit1 said:
> Also found these close by [the Double-Lion's-Head buckle].

Several European countries have continued to use that specific form of Double-Lion's-Head buckle into the 20th-Century. (For example, the photo I've attached below shows a Soviet Navy dagger-belt from World War 2.) The four brass finds in your newest photo, which you say you "found these all around the buckle," are the strap-buckle and three strap-adjusters from a World War One gasmask bag strap -- as seen in the other two photos I've attached.

Note that like your lion's-head buckle, they also have almost no "excavated brass" patina on the brass.

In my opinion, combining all this evidence (no patina, double-lions-head buckles were made and issued to 20th-Century Military units, you found WW1-buckles very close by your buckle) pretty much kills the possibility that your lion's-head buckle is from the 1700s.

Please believe me, I take no pleasure in sticking a pin into this balloon. But, facts are facts.

 

[Davers]

StroageUnit1 said:
> Also found these close by [the Double-Lion's-Head buckle].

Several European countries have continued to use that specific form of Double-Lion's-Head buckle into the 20th-Century. (For example, the photo I've attached below shows a Soviet Navy dagger-belt from World War 2.) The four brass finds in your newest photo, which you say you "found these all around the buckle," are the strap-buckle and three strap-adjusters from a World War One gasmask bag strap -- as seen in the other two photos I've attached.

Note that like your lion's-head buckle, they also have almost no "excavated brass" patina on the brass.

In my opinion, combining all this evidence (no patina, double-lions-head buckles were made and issued to 20th-Century Military units, you found WW1-buckles very close by your buckle) pretty much kills the possibility that your lion's-head buckle is from the 1700s.

Please believe me, I take no pleasure in sticking a pin into this balloon. But, facts are facts.

Great research there Mr . "TheCannonballGuy".

It's a nice looking find & I do hope it's from the 1700's .

 

[Digger RJ]

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Very Cool!!! Congrats!!!

 

[villagenut]

I am not completely convinced in it being modern 20th century as suggested.....at the same time, for it to be a 18th century drop here in this area would be the needle in the haystack. The other pieces may have nothing to do with the buckle, as we often find old and modern targets on the same site. Patina has bothered me some, but I don't think that rules it modern. I still would like to see the back of it, and hear from some others before killing it.