Persher Code

[Twisted Fork]

You still have some time left to go and see for yourself; before someone else does which probably wont be long from now. If I had made it any easier to find the site as it is weaved into these threads, what do I have to do, take you there?

 

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[cactusjumper]

Mr. Fork,

"Adams moved to Spanish Fork, Utah with his daughter Martha in 1893 and never returned."

Actually, Martha Louise Adams was born in Alpine City, Utah and left with her parents for Arizona when she was a little over two years old. She and her husband, Joseph Sponseller move to Taylor, Arizona around 1893. Other than the first two years of her life, I don't believe she ever lived in Utah. Do you know the circumstances of her death and where she died?

George Mason Adams lived in Arizona in 1893 and remained their until until around 1920, when he moved back to Utah to join his second wife, Emma Elizabeth Monk, who had moved there to care for her parents. He lived in Spanish Fork, Utah until his death in 1927. Do you know the details of how he died?

The Adams have a rich family history. Before you insert yourself into that history, you might want to learn it. If you are thinking of writing some kind of book with the story you have floated here, it should be labeled as a historical novel.

Am I mistaken, or are you?

Joe Ribaudo

 

[uthunter]

In reference to the Persher/Pershur cipher and the K.T. or the KGC, no references to it or the name has ever been found. All Persher/Pershur Cipher references come back to this post or others on treasure hunting sites.

Here is a link to the known KT ciphers used throughout reign of the K.T. era.

Knights Templar Ciphers - http://www.borderschess.org/Ciphers.htm - just one link, if you want more, I will post gladly other links.

Though this is not a "complete" list of the ciphers possibly used by any means, these are just the ciphers known throughout history to have been used by the Knight Templars.

Not to ruffle any feathers, but I have never come across a cipher known as the Persher or Pershur Cipher. I admit I am not an expert in ciphers, just a big fan.


Persher is a Danish surname, and possibly Scottish as well, all known genealogy references seen to end in the mid 1800's in Scotland.

The word Persher is possibly a variant of the old Hebrew word Pesher:

Pesher (pl. pesharim) is a Hebrew word meaning "interpretation" in the sense of "solution". It became known from one group of texts, numbering some hundreds, among the Dead Sea Scrolls.

The pesharim give a theory of scriptural interpretation, previously partly known, but now fully defined. The writers of pesharim believe that scripture is written in two levels, the surface for ordinary readers with limited knowledge, the concealed one for specialists with higher knowledge. This is most clearly spelled out in the Habakkuk Pesher (1QpHab), where the author of the text asserts that God has made known to the Teacher of Righteousness, a prominent figure within the history of the Essene community, "all the mysteries of his servants the prophets" (1QpHab VII:4-5). By contrast, the prophets themselves only had a partial interpretation revealed to them.

The word Pershur is a version (slang) of the word Pesher as in this following example, both carry the same meaning:

What modern Christian’s coined, ‘Divine Inspiration’ is what the Prophet Jeremiah condemned as ‘Vain Imagination’. The Old’ Testament as well, the ‘New’ Testament are written in a Peshur Code. For instance, how were the books of the Prophets, actually chosen, as Prophetic books? The peshurist’s code, used within a prophetic book, is called, “Wheels within Wheels, Sevens within Sevens.” So we can, systematically verify, and scientifically validate (What is and what is not) a Prophetic book, through the use of this code. That is why the Apostle Peter instructs us that the ‘Scripture’ is not left to any one’s interpretation. Not your’s, not mine, not even Paul’s but only through the peshur code can we Judge ‘Righteously’.

The word Peshur is a town in Pakistan, not the original name for the town by the way. The word Peshur is known in several of the Middle Eastern languages as landmarks, as in the Peshur Wall, and as a surname.

I am not sure the KGC, and most of all the K.T., had knowledge of the words Persher/Pershur/Peshur/Peshur. It has never been thoroughly discussed that the K.T. knew the words or even the definition of the words, and they definitely did not have knowledge of the Dead Sea Scrolls (discovered years after the K.T./ KGC era). The two words have not been found to have been in use before the discovery of the Dead Sea Scrolls, at least I could not find any references to their use. No mention of the words are in historical texts, journals, dictionaries, religious texts, etc. attributed to the known languages of the K.T. or the KGC eras.

I respect the knowledge and have learned a lot from many of the members of this forum, but must argue the validity of some of the claims and posts. No historical references or knowledge of facts from more than a few years ago seems dubious at best. I am not saying anyone is a liar or made anything up to help sell a book or agenda, who knows I may be wrong in the information above. If I am wrong, then I will admit my mistake and apologize to anyone I may have offended.

If you know that the K.T. knew the words or used them, please let me know so I can update my post and records.

Thank you for your patience.

Jon

 

[Rebel - KGC]

That was GOOD info, Jon. Coffee? I suspect now that GEMATRIA from Jewish Mysticism was utilized as a cipher for MANY numbers/letters "clues". Persher Code was a "style of writing", and PESHER Code was "Biblical". KT did have their own "ciphers" and the excavation of the TEMPLE in Jerusalem is "fact" ("google"... "Knights Templar Excavation of the Temple in Jerusalem (SOLOMON'S TEMPLE)"; it is part of the ritual of York Rite, 7th Degree - Royal Arch (FreeMasonry) Those, who are 7th Degree RAM, review your "ritual".

 

[Rebel - KGC]

WASSAIL! MORE I & R "as above"; Beale Ciphers, Pershur Code, Knights Templar, Sufis, Rosicrucians... FUN! It appears the PERSHUR CODE was REAL!
KT settled in Jerusalem, some met with Islamic Mystics, known as SUFIS, who were using SECRET language similar to what is known as "story within a story". MAYBE it was the PERSIAN CODE... Later KT in Scotland (after fleeing France), created the SCOTS RITE, using teachings from the EAST
(Arabia) plus WESTERN Science of Alchemy into ROSICRUCIAN SECRETS. All THIS became SCOTTISH RITE of FreeMasonry. HA! SECRET Ciphers of KT, Rosicrucians, FreeMasons, Jewish Mystcism of GEMATRIA. BEALE Ciphers Codes 1 & 3 may have utilized GEMATRIA and PERSHUR Code for a "story within a story"...

 

[uthunter]

Rebel - KGC

According to my ex-father in law and his father, both are life long Masons, they have never heard of - or come across any references to the Persher code in their affiliation with the Masons. Stories within stories are, and have been, widely used throughout the history of the Masons and affiliated groups, among quite a few others. The use of Gemetria has been and is (still) used quite frequently according to my ex-father in law. The use of "a wheel within a wheel" or "a story within a story" has been and is still used in most children's stories (fables) and most books such as fiction, non-fiction, romance, pornographic stories, even some versions of history taught in the schools.

There is not any evidence that the term Persher (Qumran Pesharim) was widely used by any group of individuals outside of the Jewish scholars and/or the Jewish communities, and then it was just a word used to describe a certain technique of story telling. The phrase did not widely come into use by different peoples until after the discovery of the Dead Sea Scrolls, and then only as Jewish scholars helped to translate the scrolls. The Jewish people, at the time of the writing of the Dead Sea Scrolls, could have used one of several words with the same or similar meaning as Persher, so the word or the meaning was not that specific or special.

I know that the KT, KGC, Scottish Rite, and many other groups employed the use of "a story within a story" as a way to encode a message for only the enlightened, among other techniques. The KT were known to have studied a number of old scrolls and texs from all over the European and Middle Eastern continents (possibly the African as well). There is a good chance the original members of the KT that studied these old texts may have heard the word, by the Jewish scholars, in reference to the coding technique; but the members of the KT had their own words that meant the same thing that they would had grown up with - so why adopt a completely new word.

My argument is that they did not know or use the word "Persher" or the phrases "Persher Code and Persher Technique", if they had, there would be definite written evidence of its use in the assorted papers, journals, and other documents related to these groups. Since the members of these groups were Christian, there would have been written proof of this word(s), they documented everything in detail (i.e. the banking system). Even the Catholic church does not have the word(s) in the old dictionaries/encyclopedias or the texts related to the original translation of the Jewish texts which the bible is based upon. The KT were not all that secretive of their words, just parts of what they were doing, though they still documented their activities. With the many thousands of members of the KT, all of them would have had to of known the word and meaning of the word(s), or else the word would have proven useless. With all the members of the KT knowing the word, it would have become part of the common vocabulary of the KT members and, eventually, their families and friends over the few centuries the KT were known to have existed. Even the descendant organizations of the KT, would be widely using the word today, and it would be in the various documents related to these groups.

The phrase would not have been widely used outside of the Jewish community, until the Dead Sea Scrolls were translated, otherwise the word would be in wide use in most languages today.

As a side note.

The phrase "Qumran Pesharim" means: "a kind of commentary on the Bible that was common in the community that wrote the Dead Sea Scrolls" or called the "Pesher technique", which finds history objectively placed in the text, not allegory. The phrase "pesher technique" only came into wide use ONLY after the DSC's were found and translated.

PESHER (Heb. פֵּשֶׁר), word meaning "interpretation." It occurs only once in the Hebrew Bible: "Who is as the wise man? and who knoweth the interpretation of a thing?" (Eccl. 8:1). However, the Aramaic word peshar occurs 31 times in the Aramaic portion of Daniel, where it mainly refers to dream interpretation. The Jewish Virtual Library http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/judaica/ejud_0002_0016_0_15650.html

The word Pesher is also used in reference to a type of structure (Sky Pesher by American artist James Turrell).
http://visualarts.walkerart.org/detail.wac?id=2530&title=acquisitions


The Pesher of Christ reveals the true story of Jesus and the early Church presenting a new paradigm that becomes our Revelation:
http://www.pesherofchrist.com/


The story of the crucifixion of Jesus is the central story for Christianity, always read at Easter, and known to countless people, whether Christian or not.

The application of the pesher technique, known for the first time from the theory found in the Dead Sea Scrolls, gives an exact account of what actually happened, down to the smallest detail of time and place.

The pesher of the gospels is, in fact, the script of a Passion play. Such plays were often written in the past, drawing selectively on the surface story, together with a large dose of religious imagination. The film industry is still producing them, making painfully apparent the absence of a believable history. If popular religion could tolerate it, there is now available an account that was intended by the participants themselves to give a total and reliable record of their experience.

Dr. Barbara Thiering
http://www.peshertechnique.infinitesoulutions.com/index6.html


Just a few points to ponder.

Jon

 

[Rebel - KGC]

This is GOOD! It appears that the Persher Code was utilized as "a story within a story" in 1885, THE BEALE PAPERS (aka "JOB PRINT"); we are STILL on the topic of PERSHER CODE. The 1885 pamphlet started out as a story such as ... "It was in the second year of the Confederate War..." A SECRET during the Civil War, alluding to ANOTHER story of the Beale expeditions of 1819 & 1821 or so; "treasure" buried in Bedford County, Va., in a VAULT! Beale Ciphers 1 & 3 are yet to be "deciphered"; they are in NUMBERS, and it MAY be that GEMATRIA has to be utilized. Did the KT "invent" PERSHER/PERCHUR CODE? Probably not... YET! MAY have "re-invented" it to escape persecution from the Church of Rome.

 

[Rebel - KGC]

TY, Jon; I am a 32nd degree SR, 7th degree YR; not yet a KT. 25 + years in Blue Lodge, and Past Master (Worshipful Master of Master Masons "Blue Lodge"); you are correct... even I had never heard of Persher/Pershur Code, then... HOWEVER! I wasn't a TH'er, either. YOUR focus is on "Christian/Jewish" allusions; MINE is on Islamic/Jewish Mysticism. It is a FACT that the Knights of the Temple (King Solomon's Temple) were in Jerusalem; so contact with Jewish and Islamic Mystical societies is possible where "Secret Knowledge" such as GEMATRIA & PERSHUR CODE was "transmitted" orally, NEVER in writing; such is the nature of SECRET SOCIETIES. AND!
For MORE points to ponder; "google"... "SECRET language of the Sufis" AND! "Sufi Adjab"

 

[uthunter]

KGC - Rebel...

Yes, the subject is on the Persher code, but the proper term for the code as widely used, and accepted. is "Pesher Code" or "Pesher Technique". I am not being nit picky, just want to get the proper term for the code or technique established. There is already way too much mis-information related already when it comes to the treasure hunting hobby.

I seriously think that the person who first used/published the word in relation to the KT/KGC code(s) either misspelled the word or the word related to him was misspelled or mispronounced.

I cannot find the word(s) Persher/Pershar to have been used as a name given to, or used for, any code until fairly recently, since the word itself cannot be found be any historical reference dating to more than just a few years ago. At least in my research for the word(s) there is no evidence of the word(s) in any of the archives or even search engines I have been able to reference, except for a game named "Prince of Persher."

It is true the word Pesher was/is used in different contexts in several languages, but there IS NO evidence the KT or the KGC used the term or the term "Persher/Pershar. The word Pesher itself is even highly unlikely to have been picked up by the KT from people/groups they came into contact with.

There is evidence that groups throughout history have applied a word to a different meaning, to throw off the enemy (as it were), and it is still done. And in this evidence, the KT/KGC were no exception, the codes/cyphers known to have been used by the KT are widely known and have been for centuries.

After 30+ yrs of religious studies: Mysticism, European Pagan religions, Shamanism, Kabbalah, LDS, Catholic, Orthodox (Russian & Greek), Islamic, Jewish, and numerous others; I have never heard of nor come across the word(s) Persher/Pershar. (The word Pesher itself used many times tho.)

My point is, the word(s) were/are not attributed to or known to have been used for any type of code related to the KT or the KGC. History does not show any evidence of such usage of a code or codes known by this name.

The KT could have used Latin, since many would have been taught either the Proper or Vulgar (Catholic Church version), or both. Most commoners would not have been schooled in Latin, and if they were, it would not have been either of these two versions. The KT were from Noble (wealthy) families, either the fathers or sons or both, being from members of the Nobility they would have been highly schooled.

I cannot believe that the KT/KGC used the word, because it was published in one book, or on one website, until there is physical evidence of such from the period of the respective groups. The word(s) meaning or the codes them selves may/would have been kept secret, but the word(s) themselves would not necessarily been kept secret.

From my past jobs, I learned to deal in, and only use, the verifiable and credible facts; non-verified sources, rumors, and myths could not be trusted nor used. I am still that way with th'ing, I only believe what can be proven through multiple credible sources.



Rebel... I thoroughly enjoy our exchange, I hope you do not take anything I say personal or as an offense, it is not intended as such. I find the debate of such topics highly invigorating, testing my abilities of research and reason. Takes me back to Debate class in high school, Sigh.

Jon

 

[Rebel - KGC]

Jon, nothing taken as personal/offensive; debate? LOL, not even on the "same page". You R "chatting" about Barbara's PESHER technique, and I am "chatting" about the PERSHER CODE; SUFI ADJAB is all you have to "know". WASSAIL! want some?

 

[uthunter]

I just mentioned the code by her.

I am talking about the alleged code made up by the Knights Templar. This did not happen, the original Pesher code was used in the old Hebrew scrolls, the Persher code is used as a slang doe a coding technique used by the KGC - POSSIBLY, not confirmed other than by oral by a knowing individual who has papers from a prominent KGC member during the Civil War era and for a number of years after the end of the war.

Lets look at the known facts about the KT.

Creation of the KT:

The KT order was created by the Pope (around 1129), the order was modeled after the Cistercian monks, not the Hebrew Essene order.

Where did the KT get their wealth:

The order, based upon the Cistertians, required that any Knight that joined the order -turn over all property owned by said Knight, both property and riches. The KT order was granted a tax free status by the Pope when the KT order was created. With the many thousands of KT knights, the order received thousands of properties all over Europe, numbering the hundreds of thousands of acres. The elite class (rich) were obligated to support the KT through donations of land, jewels, and monies; the larger the donation, the easier it was to get reprieve of their sins from the church.

What treasure did they bring back from the Temple Mount:

We know they got part of the cross that Jesus was allegedly crucified on. They carried it into many battles with the wooden artifact leading the charge. It was captured by the enemy when the KT lost that particular battle. The artifact was ransomed and the KT paid the ransom to get it back. What happened to the wooden artifact? It was eventually destroyed when the KT lost another battle and the artifact was re-captured.

Also, it is not proven, but it is recognized the KT probably brought back the fabric artifact that was later found in a French castle in the late 1400's. This artifact was alleged to have been what was wrapped around Jesus when he was placed in the tomb.

Since there were only 9 Knights Templars that left the Temple Mount and returned to Europe, they did not bring much back with them. There is no record of them bringing back a large pack train of supplies or anything else. It is known that the 9 Knights left the temple Mount in a real big hurry.

Where did all their wealth/treasure go?

When King Philip IV of France (1307) ordered the arrest of the KT members in France - ONLY, it did not say anything about the KT member knights anywhere else. Or the supporting forces of peasants and minor citizens, numbering the tens of thousands.

When the KT order was dissolved Under Pressure from King Philip, Pope Clement V disbanded the Order in 1312., ALL members, property, riches, and supporting peasants WERE transferred to the Knights Hospitaller. This is documented fact. This also included all buildings, churches, farms, etc. in the possession of the KT. A few of the KT members in the Southern regions formed the Knights of Malta and carried on the campaigns for a number of more years. Eventually the KM settled down in Malta and joined the local people as farmers etc.

The Pope later reversed his order to arrest any KT members and release any in prison. He also pardoned all members of the KT.

Most of the regular and senior members of the KT joined the KH order. The rest left the order and returned home to their families.

Since the KT order was a sanctioned by the Pope, it enjoyed the support of the church up to the end of the order, and the KT order was a huge supporter of the church as well, there was very little animosity towards each other. The only need for encoded messages was between the church, and the various KT armies. This was so their enemies could not read their messages only. The codes/ciphers that the KT used is known and they were the only ones approved by the church. The KT order was faithful to the church to the very end, they were of noble blood, the elite, and monks. They would not have done anything to the contrary of what was approved by the church. The KT were an extremely faithful order, it was a matter of pride, and many died upholding first of all: their pride, second the order they belonged to.

There is no KT order that existed after the Popes decree dissolving the Order of Knights Templar in 1312.

The sudden disappearance of a major part of the European infrastructure gave rise to speculation and legends, which have kept the "Templar" name alive into the modern day. It never really disappeared, just names changed of who owned everything. Except the KH did not continue the banking practices of the former KT Order.


The below is from Wikipedia: https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Knights_Templar

Rise
The first headquarters of the Knights Templar, Al Aqsa Mosque, on Jerusalem's Temple Mount. The Crusaders called it the Temple of Solomon, as it was built on top of the ruins of the original Temple, and it was from this location that the Knights took their name of Templar.

After the First Crusade captured Jerusalem in 1099, many Christian pilgrims traveled to visit what they referred to as the Holy Places. However, though the city of Jerusalem was under relatively secure control, the rest of the Outremer was not. Bandits abounded, and pilgrims were routinely slaughtered, sometimes by the hundreds, as they attempted to make the journey from the coastline at Jaffa into the Holy Land.[8]

Around 1119, two veterans of the First Crusade, the French knight Hugues de Payens and his relative Godfrey de Saint-Omer, proposed the creation of a monastic order for the protection of these pilgrims.[9] King Baldwin II of Jerusalem agreed to their request, and gave them space for a headquarters on the Temple Mount, in the captured Al Aqsa Mosque. The Temple Mount had a mystique, because it was above what was believed to be the ruins of the Temple of Solomon.[4][10] The Crusaders therefore referred to the Al Aqsa Mosque as Solomon's Temple, and it was from this location that the Order took the name of Poor Knights of Christ and the Temple of Solomon, or "Templar" knights. The Order, with about nine knights, had few financial resources and relied on donations to survive. Their emblem was of two knights riding on a single horse, emphasizing the Order's poverty.

A Templar Knight is truly a fearless knight, and secure on every side, for his soul is protected by the armour of faith, just as his body is protected by the armour of steel. He is thus doubly armed, and need fear neither demons nor men."
— Bernard de Clairvaux, c. 1135, De Laude Novae Militae—In Praise of the New Knighthood[11]

The Templars' impoverished status did not last long. They had a powerful advocate in Saint Bernard of Clairvaux, a leading Church figure and a nephew of André de Montbard. He spoke and wrote persuasively on their behalf, and in 1129 at the Council of Troyes, the Order was officially endorsed by the Church. With this formal blessing, the Templars became a favored charity throughout Christendom, receiving money, land, businesses, and noble-born sons from families who were eager to help with the fight in the Holy Land. Another major benefit came in 1139, when Pope Innocent II's papal bull Omne Datum Optimum exempted the Order from obedience to local laws. This ruling meant that the Templars could pass freely through all borders, were not required to pay any taxes, and were exempt from all authority except that of the Pope.[12]
Templar Cross

This article is part of or related
to the Knights Templar series
Knights Templar

* History of the Knights Templar
* Knights Templar legends
* Knights Templar Seal
* Grand Masters of the Knights Templar
* Knights Templar in England
* Knights Templar in Scotland
* List of Knights Templar
* List of places associated with the Knights Templar

Modern associations

* Knights Templar (Freemasonry)
* Sovereign Military Order of the Temple of Jerusalem

With its clear mission and ample resources, the Order grew rapidly. Templars were often the advance force in key battles of the Crusades, as the heavily armoured knights on their warhorses would set out to charge at the enemy, in an attempt to break opposition lines. One of their most famous victories was in 1177 during the Battle of Montgisard, where some 500 Templar knights helped to defeat Saladin's army of more than 26,000 soldiers.[13]

Although the primary mission of the Order was military, relatively few members were combatants. The others acted in support positions to assist the knights and to manage the financial infrastructure. The Templar Order, though its members were sworn to individual poverty, was given control of wealth beyond direct donations. A nobleman who was interested in participating in the Crusades might place all his assets under Templar management while he was away. Accumulating wealth in this manner throughout Christendom and the Outremer, the Order in 1150 began generating letters of credit for pilgrims journeying to the Holy Land: pilgrims deposited their valuables with a local Templar preceptory before embarking, received a document indicating the value of their deposit, then used that document upon arrival in the Holy Land to retrieve their funds. This innovative arrangement was an early form of banking, and may have been the first formal system to support the use of cheques; it improved the safety of pilgrims by making them less attractive targets for thieves, and also contributed to the Templar coffers.[4][14]

Based on this mix of donations and business dealing, the Templars established financial networks across the whole of Christendom. They acquired large tracts of land, both in Europe and the Middle East; they bought and managed farms and vineyards; they built churches and castles; they were involved in manufacturing, import and export; they had their own fleet of ships; and at one point they even owned the entire island of Cyprus. The Order of the Knights Templar arguably qualifies as the world's first multinational corporation.[13][15][16]
Battle of the Horns of Hattin in 1187, the turning point in the Crusades
[edit] Decline

In the mid-12th century, the tide began to turn in the Crusades. The Muslim world had become more united under effective leaders such as Saladin, and dissension arose among Christian factions in and concerning the Holy Land. The Knights Templar were occasionally at odds with the two other Christian military orders, the Knights Hospitaller and the Teutonic Knights, and decades of internecine feuds weakened Christian positions, politically and militarily. After the Templars were involved in several unsuccessful campaigns, including the pivotal Battle of the Horns of Hattin, Jerusalem was captured by Saladin's forces in 1187. The Crusaders retook the city in 1229, without Templar aid, but held it only briefly. In 1244, the Khwarezmi Turks recaptured Jerusalem, and the city did not return to Western control until 1917 when the British captured it from the Ottoman Turks.[17]

The Templars were forced to relocate their headquarters to other cities in the north, such as the seaport of Acre, which they held for the next century. But they lost that, too, in 1291, followed by their last mainland strongholds, Tortosa (in what is now Syria), and Atlit. Their headquarters then moved to Limassol on the island of Cyprus,[18] and they also attempted to maintain a garrison on tiny Arwad Island, just off the coast from Tortosa. In 1300, there was some attempt to engage in coordinated military efforts with the Mongols[19] via a new invasion force at Arwad. In 1302 or 1303, however, the Templars lost the island to the Egyptian Mamluks in the Siege of Arwad. With the island gone, the Crusaders lost their last foothold in the Holy Land.[13][20]

With the Order's military mission now less important, support for the organization began to dwindle. The situation was complex though, as over the two hundred years of their existence, the Templars had become a part of daily life throughout Christendom.[21] The organization's Templar Houses, hundreds of which were dotted throughout Europe and the Near East, gave them a widespread presence at the local level.[2] The Templars still managed many businesses, and many Europeans had daily contact with the Templar network, such as by working at a Templar farm or vineyard, or using the Order as a bank in which to store personal valuables. The Order was still not subject to local government, making it everywhere a "state within a state"—its standing army, though it no longer had a well-defined mission, could pass freely through all borders. This situation heightened tensions with some European nobility, especially as the Templars were indicating an interest in founding their own monastic state, just as the Teutonic Knights had done in Prussia[14] and the Knights Hospitaller were doing with Rhodes.[22]
[edit] Arrests and dissolution
King Philip IV of France (1268–1314)

In 1305, the new Pope Clement V, based in France, sent letters to both the Templar Grand Master Jacques de Molay and the Hospitaller Grand Master Fulk de Villaret to discuss the possibility of merging the two Orders. Neither was amenable to the idea, but Pope Clement persisted, and in 1306 he invited both Grand Masters to France to discuss the matter. De Molay arrived first in early 1307, but de Villaret was delayed for several months. While waiting, De Molay and Clement discussed charges that had been made two years prior by an ousted Templar. It was generally agreed that the charges were false, but Clement sent King Philip IV of France a written request for assistance in the investigation. King Philip was already deeply in debt to the Templars from his war with the English and decided to seize upon the rumors for his own purposes. He began pressuring the Church to take action against the Order, as a way of freeing himself from his debts.[23]

On Friday, October 13, 1307 (a date sometimes linked with the origin of the Friday the 13th superstition)[24][25] Philip ordered de Molay and scores of other French Templars to be simultaneously arrested. The arrest warrant started with the phrase : "Dieu n'est pas content, nous avons des ennemis de la foi dans le Royaume" (free translation " God is not pleased. We have enemies of the faith in the kingdom").[26] The Templars were charged with numerous offences (including apostasy, idolatry, heresy, obscene rituals and homosexuality, financial corruption and fraud, and secrecy).[27] Many of the accused confessed to these charges under torture, and these confessions, even though obtained under duress, caused a scandal in Paris. All interrogations were recorded on a thirty meter long parchment, kept at the "Archives nationales" in Paris. The prisoners were coerced to confess that they had spat on the Cross : "Moi Raymond de La Fère, 21 ans, reconnais que (J'ai) craché trois fois sur la Croix, mais de bouche et pas de coeur" (free translation : "I, Raymond de La Fère, 21 years old, admit that I have spit three times on the Cross, but only from my mouth and not from my heart". The Templars were accused of idolatry. The parchment mentions a red, monochromatic image of a man on linen or cotton, qualified as an idol by the interrogators. This suggests the presence of the Shroud of Turin. In 1307 few people knew of its whereabouts. After the sack of Constantinople by the Fourth Crusade in 1204, the Shroud, that had been in the possession of the Emperor, disappeared for about one century. It reappeared in the small town of Lirey, in the Champagne region of France around the years 1353 to 1357 in the possession of Geoffroy de Charny and later in Chambéry in the possession of the Duke of Savoy [26][28]

After more bullying from Philip, Pope Clement then issued the papal bull Pastoralis Praeeminentiae on November 22, 1307, which instructed all Christian monarchs in Europe to arrest all Templars and seize their assets.[29]

Pope Clement called for papal hearings to determine the Templars' guilt or innocence, and once freed of the Inquisitors' torture, many Templars recanted their confessions. Some had sufficient legal experience to defend themselves in the trials, but in 1310 Philip blocked this attempt, using the previously forced confessions to have dozens of Templars burned at the stake in Paris.[30][31]
Convent of Christ in Castle Tomar, Portugal. Built in 1160 as a stronghold for the Knights Templar, it became the headquarters of the renamed Order of Christ. In 1983, it was named a UNESCO World Heritage Site.[32]

With Philip threatening military action unless the Pope complied with his wishes, Pope Clement finally agreed to disband the Order, citing the public scandal that had been generated by the confessions. At the Council of Vienne in 1312, he issued a series of papal bulls, including Vox in excelso, which officially dissolved the Order, and Ad providam, which turned over most Templar assets to the Hospitallers.[33]

As for the leaders of the Order, the elderly Grand Master Jacques de Molay, who had confessed under torture, retracted his statement. His associate Geoffrey de Charney, Preceptor of Normandy, followed de Molay's example and insisted on his innocence. Both men were declared guilty of being relapsed heretics, and they were sentenced to burn alive at the stake in Paris on March 18, 1314. De Molay reportedly remained defiant to the end, asking to be tied in such a way that he could face the Notre Dame Cathedral and hold his hands together in prayer.[34] According to legend, he called out from the flames that both Pope Clement and King Philip would soon meet him before God. His actual words were recorded on the parchment as follows : "Dieu sait qui a tort et a pëché. Il va bientot arriver malheur à ceux qui nous ont condamnés à mort" (free translation : "God knows who is wrong and has sinned. Soon a calamity will occur to those who have condemned us to death").[26] Pope Clement died only a month later, and King Philip died in a hunting accident before the end of the year.[35]

With the last of the Order's leaders gone, the remaining Templars around Europe were either arrested and tried under the Papal investigation (with virtually none convicted), absorbed into other military orders such as the Knights Hospitaller, or pensioned and allowed to live out their days peacefully. Some may have fled to other territories outside Papal control, such as excommunicated Scotland or to Switzerland. Templar organizations in Portugal simply changed their name, from Knights Templar to Knights of Christ – see Order of Christ (Portugal).[36]
[edit] Chinon Parchment

In 2001, a document known as the "Chinon Parchment" was found in the Vatican Secret Archives, apparently after having been filed in the wrong place in 1628. It is a record of the trial of the Templars and shows that Clement absolved the Templars of all heresies in 1308 before formally disbanding the Order in 1312. [37]

It is currently the Roman Catholic Church position that the medieval persecution of the Knights Templar was unjust; that there was nothing inherently wrong with the Order or its Rule; and that Pope Clement was pressured into his actions by the magnitude of the public scandal and the dominating influence of King Philip IV.[38][39]
[edit] Organization
Templar chapel from the 12th C. in Metz, France. Once part of the Templar commandery of Metz, the oldest Templar institution of the Holy Roman Empire.

The Templars were organized as a monastic order similar to Bernard's Cistercian Order, which was considered the first effective international organisation in Europe.[40] The organizational structure had a strong chain of authority. Each country with a major Templar presence (France, England, Aragon, Portugal, Poitou, Apulia, Jerusalem, Tripoli, Antioch, Anjou, Hungary, and Croatia)[41] had a Master of the Order for the Templars in that region. All of them were subject to the Grand Master, appointed for life, who oversaw both the Order's military efforts in the East and their financial holdings in the West. No precise numbers exist, but it is estimated that at the Order's peak there were between 15,000 and 20,000 Templars, of whom about a tenth were actual knights.[1][2]

It was Bernard de Clairvaux and founder Hugues de Payens who devised the specific code of behavior for the Templar Order, known to modern historians as the Latin Rule. Its 72 clauses defined the ideal behavior for the Knights, such as the types of garments they were to wear and how many horses they could have. Knights were to take their meals in silence, eat meat no more than three times per week, and not have physical contact of any kind with women, even members of their own family. A Master of the Order was assigned "4 horses, and one chaplain-brother and one clerk with three horses, and one sergeant brother with two horses, and one gentleman valet to carry his shield and lance, with one horse."[42] As the Order grew, more guidelines were added, and the original list of 72 clauses was expanded to several hundred in its final form.[43][44]

There was a threefold division of the ranks of the Templars: the aristocratic knights, the lower-born sergeants, and the clergy. Knights were required to be of knightly descent and to wear white mantles. They were equipped as heavy cavalry, with three or four horses and one or two squires. Squires were generally not members of the Order but were instead outsiders who were hired for a set period of time. Beneath the knights in the Order and drawn from lower social strata were the sergeants.[45] They were either equipped as light cavalry with a single horse[46] or served in other ways such as administering the property of the Order or performing menial tasks and trades. Chaplains, constituting a third Templar class, were ordained priests who saw to the Templars' spiritual needs.[47]
Templar building at Saint Martin des Champs, France

The knights wore a white surcoat with a red cross and a white mantle; the sergeants wore a black tunic with a red cross on front and back and a black or brown mantle.[48][49] The white mantle was assigned to the Templars at the Council of Troyes in 1129, and the cross was most probably added to their robes at the launch of the Second Crusade in 1147, when Pope Eugenius III, King Louis VII of France, and many other notables attended a meeting of the French Templars at their headquarters near Paris.[50][51][52] According to their Rule, the knights were to wear the white mantle at all times, even being forbidden to eat or drink unless they were wearing it.[53]

Initiation,[54] known as Reception (receptio) into the Order, was a profound commitment and involved a solemn ceremony. Outsiders were discouraged from attending the ceremony, which aroused the suspicions of medieval inquisitors during the later trials.

New members had to willingly sign over all of their wealth and goods to the Order and take vows of poverty, chastity, piety, and obedience.[55] Most brothers joined for life, although some were allowed to join for a set period. Sometimes a married man was allowed to join if he had his wife's permission,[49] but he was not allowed to wear the white mantle.[56]

The red cross that the Templars wore on their robes was a symbol of martyrdom, and to die in combat was considered a great honor that assured a place in heaven.[57] There was a cardinal rule that the warriors of the Order should never surrender unless the Templar flag had fallen, and even then they were first to try to regroup with another of the Christian orders, such as that of the Hospitallers. Only after all flags had fallen were they allowed to leave the battlefield.[58] This uncompromising principle, along with their reputation for courage, excellent training, and heavy armament, made the Templars one of the most feared combat forces in medieval times.[59]

End of Wikipedia posting.


The stories about the KT treasures are a great read, but you must remember, they are just stories. Yes it is proven that there were KT members that visited the North American continent, some are even buried in Eastern Canada and the East Coast of the U.S. When the KT visited the U.S. and Canada, there is no proof they brought anything with them (as in treasure). If they did, why not bury it in Vineland, where the established Viking villages were. The most likely place anything would have been buried was in upstate New York, Massachusetts, or even Nova Scotia. No sense hauling the all over the place.

More than likely, the only thing brought over by the KT to the North American continent was them selves, as an advance force to stake claims on the land.

Since many people feel Wikipedia is not considered a reliable source, if requested I can post other links: i.e. book titles and pages, links to research papers, and historical sites, and the Catholic Church Archives (all original sources) that all state the same info as Wikipedia.

By the way, I have several members of my distant relatives that were KT then KH members. We have genealogy and researched family history (three books - about 22,000 pages), the parts about these relatives says virtually the same as what Wikipedia says, these books were published in the late 1980's.


If you need help researching anything about the KT, let me know. I am a trained researcher and investigator, did it for professionally for over 18 yrs, then for personal and friends projects since 2004.

Right now I am researching the codes used by the forces of the Civil War, the KGC, Copperheads, Sons of Liberty, and the rest of the subversive groups. I already know most of the coding methods used, have copies of actual coded communications, and documented proof of who used what codes, when and who the messages were sent to or were for.

As for the Persher code, it was used by some KGC members in the latter part of the groups existence, the name was given to an actual code used that was known by another name for several hundred years that originated in Europe. The code was used on occasion by the CSS members/spies/scouts, it was altered slightly and given new characters for use by the KGC. The Federal Signal Corp of the North was able to decipher all the coded used by the Confederate forces as well as the CSS, KGC, and the subsequent subversive forces.

The only codes the KGC used from Europe were from the periods well after the KGC. Only one KGC code is similar to the codes used by the KT, the Ceasar Cipher. The rest of the codes used by the North, South, KGC, and other subversive groups were from the mid 1400's and later.

Don't want to burst anyone's bubble, but you need to do thorough research before you can truly understand the motives behind a group and their actions. Mis-information is the greatest danger to a persons life, it leads to dangerous situations. Once you understand the group, then you can decode/decipher the meanings of the signs/symbols/maps they leave behind. The only groups that consistently used/followed the same codes, are the Ancients and the Spanish. The South/KGC would code a message, but the code changed throughout the message. The code was the same, just the frequency of the code would change.

Also, the KGC used a code that the north developed, the KGC modified it slightly and they had a very secure code, not many could understand. The South/CSS was never able to decode/decipher the primary code used by the North during the Civil War.

Thanks

 

[Rebel - KGC]

TY, Jon... good info. Coffee? TY, for "sticking to" the PERSHER CODE; can you find out anything on SUFI ADJAB?

 

[kanabite]

TY, Jon... good info. Coffee? TY, for "sticking to" the PERSHER CODE; can you find out anything on SUFI ADJAB?

hi rebel , always good to see you still at it .
http://books.google.com/books?id=hL...=onepage&q=sufi adjab secret language&f=false


http://home.comcast.net/~dmckroot/III_Cypher_WayOfSufi.htm

 

[Rebel - KGC]

THANKS, K! The "addys" were good; I will check out the Doris Lessing book TIME BITES: VIEWS & REVIEWS out of the library. The essay about "numeric equivalent of letters" sounds very interestng; if it is on Sufism and the WAY of the Sufi & IS (Idries Shah), I have several of his books... the BEST is THE SUFIS, which has THREE chapters on the SECRET LANGUAGE... The COALMAN, the BUILDERS, & the PHILOSOPHER"S STONE. Coffee?

 

[uthunter]

Rebel...

I will do some looking this weekend on that for you. Doing some claims research at the BLM in SLC for a friend, he had someone trying to jump four of his claims this week.

I apologize to those i offended with my above post(s). Apparently I came across as an A$$h@le earlier. I didn't mean to come across as talking down to anyone, or as trying to put anyone down.

I am really a nice person who is willing to help all I can. I had a bad day with P.T. and was not feeling very well, I had taken my pain meds and was getting a bit sleepy. I know that is no excuse for my actions.

I like to engage in a spirited, enlightening, and mentally challenging exchange. I do look forward to the challenging posts of others.


I may go overboard in defending a topic or arguing the validity of one when it comes to the safety and/or security of another TH'er.


The CIA and the NSA has info/papers relating to letters and the numberic values in relation to various codes/ciphers from around the world and throughout history. Big source of codes used by the Federal/Confederate forces, Copperheads, KGC, CSS, and many of the other subversive groups.


Alpert Pike mentions in his book, several secret codes. This book was given to all members of the Scottish Rite when they reached a certain level. This book was a required reading and thorough study by these members. His book may be a bit rambling in parts, but it is definitely a must read for anyone following, studying, chasing the exploits of the KGC (treasures).

Morals and Dogma of the Ancient and Accepted Scottish Rite of Freemasonry, by Albert Pike - http://www.archive.org/details/moralsanddogmaof19447gut


Also, take a look at Gemantria.

Gemantria: Words that have the same numerical value are descriptions of each other or they are indications of a single phenomenon.

 

[Rebel - KGC]

It's ok, Jon... I've had P.T. before with LOTS of pain; I can "relate". I spelled S.A. wrong... it should be SUFI ABJAB, not SUFI ADJAB. Gematria is an interesting "topic"; then, there is the
Francis Bacon Code. We can also "google"... "numerical equivalent of letters", with LOTS of "hits"; gonna keep Homeland Security folks BUSY this weekend! For all! BTW, I have @ 7 copies of AP's M & D; given @ 2 away to friends, who were interested (found 'em in Thrift Shops, Good Will, etc. CHEAP!). These books ARE heavy (1860's, etc.).

 

[Loke]

Sorry guys - but I just cant help myself ...
About the numerical value of letters - whats wrong with plain ole ASCII? *chuckles*
A-Z is 65 through 90 and a-z is 97 through 122 - at least if you stick to uppercase - every letter is a 2-digit number ... he he he.
If you want to make it a bit more diffcult, use EBCDIC (IBM) or FIELDATA (Univac/Sperry Rand) ... ;-) Guess there are not many today who remember those codes ... or even Baudot!!

Now - please excuse my li'l transgression - it's not funny, I know ...

 

[uthunter]

Loke

Good info for later codes/ciphers, the KGC used a common character substitution: i.e. symbols for letters/numbers for a lot of their communications. Their symbol sites and maps also used letter/number codes similar to how the Jesuits did it: bible quotes - book/chapter/verse, example: 7/3/27 may have spaces for separators.

There are a number of coded/ciphers that could have been used by the KGC. Here is a short list of ciphers available: Beale, Ceasar, Federal, Madison, Washington, Permutation, PigPen, Polybius, Scytale, Slater, Substitution, Black, Playfair, Transposition, Vigenère, Polyalphabetic, and the Presidents.


For research into codes/ciphers try:

Go to the NSA or CIA and start searching for secret codes and ciphers, that will definitely get them going. Hit MI6 and MIS in England, forget it, to many to type, here is a part of my bookmark list of intelligence sites. I know intelligence and govt in the same sentence, a joke in itself.

The list is kinda long, but some really good sites for research.

http://www.asio.gov.au/ - Australian Security & Intelligence Organisation - ASIO

http://www.asis.gov.au/links.htm - Australian Secret Intelligence Service

http://www.armytimes.com/ - Army Times (US) - Including links to Air Force, Navy & Marine Times

http://www.verfassungsschutz.de/info/partner/index.html - BfV (Germany) Links Page

http://www.c4i.org - C4i Org - Canadian Intelligence, Defense, Security & Related Web Sites

http://www.sfu.ca/igs/CASIS/ - Canadian Association for Security and Intelligence Studies (CASIS)

http://131.137.96.10/diso/indexe.htm - Canadian Dept. of National Defense Information Management Group

http://www.intbranch.org/ - Canadian Forces Intelligence Branch Association

http://www.ciia.org/ - Canadian Institute of International Affairs

http://www.ciss.ca/ - Canadian Institute of Strategic Studies

http://www.csis-scrs.gc.ca/ - Canadian Security Intelligence Service

http://www.pco-bcp.gc.ca/publications/si/si_toc_e.htm - Canadian Security and Intelligence Community - Privy Council Office

http://www.dnd.ca/admpol/org/dg_coord/d_pub/sdf/links_e.htm - Canadian Universities' Security and Defense Forum Sites

http://www.cse.dnd.ca/ - Communications Security Establishment

http://csec-ccst.gc.ca/menu_e.html - Communications Security Establishment Commissioner

http://www.cisc.gc.ca/ - Criminal Intelligence Service Canada

http://www.dnd.ca/img/indexe.htm - Department of National Defense Information Management Group

http://www.drdc-rddc.dnd.ca/menu_e.html - Defense Research and Development Canada

http://strategis.ic.gc.ca/sc_mangb/cip/engdoc/ciem_hpg.html - Industry Canada Competitive Intelligence E-Monitor

http://e-com.ic.gc.ca/english/crypto/631d1.html - Industry Canada -Cryptography Pages

http://www.dnd.ca/img/indexe.htm - Information Management Group - Department of National Defense

http://www.rcmp-grc.gc.ca/tsb/index.htm - RCMP Technical Security Branch

http://www.sirc-csars.gc.ca/ - Security Intelligence Review Committee

http://www.cfc.dnd.ca/spotlight.en.html - News on Military & International Affairs - Canadian Forces College

http://www.cia.gov/ - Central Intelligence Agency

http://www.cia.gov/csi/ - CIA Center for the Study of Intelligence

http://www.odci.gov/cia/publications/chiefs/index.html - CIA Leadership Analysis

http://www.odci.gov/cia/publications/pubs.html - CIA Publications

http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/index.html - CIA World Factbook

http://www.cnn.com/SPECIALS/cold.war/ - CNN Cold War History

http://www.ndia.org/services/linkcentral/frames/congress.htm - Congress of the United States (Links)

http://www.hurlburt.af.mil/ - Air Force Special Operations Command

http://www.cbdcom.apgea.army.mil/ - Army Chemical and Biological Defense Command

http://www.arpa.mil/body/main.html - Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency

http://www.defenselink.mil/ - DefenseLink

http://www.dtic.mil/doctrine/jel/doddict/index.html - DoD Dictionary of Military and Associated Terms

http://www.dtic.mil/doctrine/jel/doddict/acronym_index.html - DoD List of Military Acronyms

http://www.dtic.mil/doctrine/jel/doddict/natoterm_index.html - DoD Dictionary of NATO Terms

http://www.ndia.org/services/linkcentral/frames/dod.htm - DoD Mega Links via NDIA

http://www.odci.gov/ic/afi.html - Air Force Intelligence

http://www.odci.gov/ic/ai.html - Army Intelligence

http://www.armyci.org - Army CounterIntelligence - USA CounterIntelligence Association

http://www.odci.gov/ic/nima.html - National Imagery and Mapping Agency

http://www.odci.gov/ic/dia.html - Defense Intelligence Agency

http://www.odci.gov/ic/mci.html - Marine Corps Intelligence

http://www.odci.gov/ic/nro.html - National Reconnaissance Office

http://www.odci.gov/ic/ni.html - Naval Intelligence


http://www.dnfsb.gov/ - Department of Energy Defense Nuclear Facilities Safety Board (US)

http://travel.state.gov/ - Department of State (DoS): Consular Affairs (US)

http://www.state.gov/www/about_state/history/index.html - Department of State Office of the Historian (US)

http://travel.state.gov/travel_warnings.html - Department of State Travel Warnings & Consular Information Sheets (US)

http://www.odci.gov/ic/dsbir.html - Department of State Bureau of Intelligence and Research (US)

http://www.embassy.org/ - Electronic Embassy

http://www.embassyweb.com/ - The Embassy Web

http://www.emrtc.nmt.edu/ - Energetic Materials Research & Testing Center - Including counter-terrorism studies

http://www.ndia.org/services/linkcentral/frames/eop.htm - Executive Office of the President (US) - Links

http://www.whitehouse.gov/White_House/EOP/html/other/NSC.html - National Security Council (US)

http://www.whitehouse.gov/WH/EOP/ondcp/html/ondcp.html - Office of National Drug Control Policy (US)

http://www2.whitehouse.gov/WH/EOP/pfiab/index.html - President's Foreign Intelligence Advisory Board (US)



http://www.fema.gov/ - Federal Emergency Management Agency (US)

http://www.ignet.gov/ - Federal IG Community - Ignet (US)

http://www.bog.frb.fed.us/otherfrb.htm - Federal Reserve Banks (US)

http://www.BOG.FRB.FED.US/ - Board of Governors of the Federal Reserve System

http://www.fas.org/sgp/ - Federation of American Scientists Secrecy Project

http://www.fas.org/irp/ - Federation of American Scientists Intelligence Resource Program

http://dosfan.lib.uic.edu/ - Foreign Affairs Network

http://www.foreignpolicy.com/ - Foreign Policy: The Magazine

http://www.globalsecurity.org/ - GlobalSecurity.Org - John Pike's new home!

http://www.intelbriefing.com/ - Intelligence Briefing -Alan Simpson's On-line intelligence webzine - Interesting!

http://www.intelbriefing.com/intelbiblio.htm - Intelligence Bibliography

http://www.intelbriefing.com/if/intellinks.htm - Intelligence Community Links

http://www.intelbriefing.com/intelglos.htm - Intelligence Glossary

http://www.intelbriefing.com/if/intellinks.htm - Intelligence Links

http://www.intelbriefing.com/reslinks.htm - Intelligence Research Links

http://www.intelbriefing.com/papers.htm - Intelligence Studies

http://www.odci.gov/ic/ - The Intelligence Community

http://www.intellnet.org/ - The Intelligence Network

http://www.indigo-net.com/intel.html - Intelligence Online (English and French Edition)

http://intelweb.janes.com/ - IntelWeb

http://www.columbia.edu/cu/libraries/indiv/lehman/guides/isc.html - International Security Policy & Military Affairs Information Sources

http://www.nlectc.org/ - Justice Technology Information Network

http://www.kimsoft.com/kim-spy.htm - Kimsoft Kim-Spy

http://www.loyola.edu/dept/politics/intel.html - Loyola College: Strategic Intelligence

http://mprofaca.cro.net/mainmenu.html - Mario Profaca's Terrorism & Intel Site

http://www.nara.gov/ - National Archives and Records Administration (US)

http://www.nsa.gov:8080/docs/history/index.html - National Cryptologic Museum (NSA)

http://www.ndia.org/ - National Defense Industrial Association

http://nationaldefense.ndia.org/default.cfm - National Defense Magazine

http://www.nationalsecurity.org/ - NationalSecurity Dot Org

http://www.unet.univie.ac.at/~a9621520/osint.html - The OSINT Group - Private Sector - Subscription

http://www.sima.co.at/price/terror.htm - PRICENet: Terrorism Info Links

http://www.agentura.ru/ - Russian Security & Intelligence

http://www.agentura.ru/english - English version of web site, above

http://www.aport-ru.com - Russian Translation Sevice - Help with translations

http://babel.altavista.com/translate.dyn - Translating : AltaVista World & Babel Translations

http://www.fas.org/irp/world/uk/mi6/ - Secret Intelligence Service (SIS) - MI6 (UK) (not the MI6 web site)

http://www.mi5.gov.uk/ - The Security Service - MI5 (UK)

http://www.ssa.gov/ - Social Security Administration - Including "Death Registry"

http://www.scip.org/ - Society of Competitive Intelligence Professionals

http://untreaty.un.org/ - United Nations Treaty Collection

http://www.usia.gov/ - United States Information Agency (USIA)

 

[Rebel - KGC]

HA! At least, 'tis not Wiki-Leak! Coffee... OOPS! There goes the BLACK Helicopter for ya, now! Coffee? For ALL!

 

[Rebel - KGC]

NOW! Back to da "topic"; AP re-wrote the SR degrees (33) during the CW, published 'em afterwards... it is HEAVY reading. SR FreeMasonry does not give M & R to 32nd Degree FM, today (the LAST copy was 1966 or so). IF... the ORIGINAL FRENCH KT brought back a "re-invented" PERSHER CODE based on Sufi Abjab or Sufi Adjab (story within a story "code"), and utilized
Judaic GEMATRIA/GEMANTRIA for "number/letter codes", I can "see" where the ORGINAL KT from France, (who escaped to SCOTLAND) would create the SCOT degrees (25 ORIGINAL SR degrees, called the RITE OF PERFECTION)... AND! Such COULD have been used for "treasure hiding/
coding"; the BEALE PAPERS for the Beale Treasure in Virginia COULD have used such "technique"... NOT sure about the LDM, as I do not know that "story". The BEALE PAPERS ("google" it...), has the "Sufi Abjab/Adjab" technique of a "story within a story"; it starts out with... "It was the second year of the CONFEDERATE WAR (CW)...". THEN, goes on to the BEALE EXPEDITION of 1819/1821, etc. with the numbers ciphers of Beale Cipher I (location), Beale Cipher II (DOI - what was buried), Beale cipher III (who). ALL of these ciphers are in NUMBERS! SO! SEVERAL FreeMasons are "linked" with this "treasure"; they MAY have ALSO been CSA vets! The HART PAPERS gave an up-date (1952); then, Pauline Innis went "public" with it in 1964 or so... the REST is "HISTORY"! ENJOY!