The lost Dutchman’s gold mine location

[Ramiro valdez]

The first photo is very close to the look out cotton wood stand. A little more to the left you will find a trail that circles a pile of good size rocks. Your bottom photos is pretty much useless. But you’re right the eye in the sky sometimes don’t help the view but when you wait for the sun to shine on the hidden canyon you will get the view your looking for and its part of one of the clue which states that you must wait to see the face of the hidden canyon. It is drawn on top of Julia’s stone cipher map. That stone map was found by peralta’s family member. He drew it on a ledger because you can’t carry the stone with you everywhere you go and it is possible that he destroyed the stone. It has been said that he found it in the foot hills near the Apache trail Salt River crossing and according to the symbolic cipher it makes sense. Julia’s map is related to the other stones and carries information about the location of the Peralta stones that were found at a later time. It’s all in the cipher and original I didn’t want to share all the knowledge of deciphering because you could use it to define other ciphered treasure maps, such the one on Oak Island. but now I’m passed that and I’m going to explain the ciphers in detail for does who want to learn more of deciphering. I’m happy for you and the decision you have to make being that spring is among us. There is no wrong or right decision at this point as long you base it on your research and knowledge. I will take my hat off if you’re right and if you’re not I wouldn’t worry too much cause it happens to the best of us. I train to decipher cipher treasure maps and I strictly rely on that information. Somewhere down the line someone is going to need a place to investigate and this place is going to surprise them. good luck on your venture and be safe! I’m going to proceed with training those who want to learn. I’m posting below the face of the hidden canyon just in case you happened to have the time to overlook the eastern summit from the lookout area. Good luck! Again!

 

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[Kentuck]

This is where the mine is, or was in my opinion. But gold is all around in this area, and the quartz is visible everywhere in the general area. The entrance to the mine was either covered or it caved in, but this area has gold. It will take some work to get it out, though.
Definite signs that someone did some mining here sometime in the past, also.
The original map matches many features here, including the 3 peaks off in the distance, so this is very likely the area.

 

[SPARTANOC]

This is where the mine is, or was in my opinion. But gold is all around in this area, and the quartz is visible everywhere in the general area. The entrance to the mine was either covered or it caved in, but this area has gold. It will take some work to get it out, though.
Definite signs that someone did some mining here sometime in the past, also.
The original map matches many features here, including the 3 peaks off in the distance, so this is very likely the area.

Kentuck

When you say; "Gold is all around this area...", are you referring to 'Float' or Placer?
-SpartanOC

 

[Kentuck]

Kentuck

When you say; "Gold is all around this area...", are you referring to 'Float' or Placer?
-SpartanOC

Placer gold. I found several small pieces/nuggets of gold there, but I had to dig down a bit as anything visible on the surface has been likely removed by someone.

 

[SPARTANOC]

Placer gold. I found several small pieces/nuggets of gold there, but I had to dig down a bit as anything visible on the surface has been likely removed by someone.

Kentuck

That area look pretty rough to stay the least. Did you utilize a Metal Detector or did you just pan-out the area - following the Float?
-SpartanOC

 

[Ramiro valdez]

Its been quiet for some time, this thread was made to describe the location if the Dutchman’s goldmine. It has been said that the closer you get to a treasure the more secrete or quiet it gets. I’m talking about those who are realizing that the LDM was never in the superstitious mountains and are now quietly venturing into the Sierra Ancha mountain range. It is the reason why Jacob Waltz said you would never find his goldmine. He was never concerned about the superstitious mountains, the story of the two soldiers saying they found the goldmine, or by that matter any story belonging to the superstitious mountains. he said that with confidence because his goldmine was at a high altitude on the eastern summit side of the Sierra Mountain Range. I have the same confidence as Jacob and I can assure you that you won’t find it if you keep insisting on looking in the wrong place. I say this because I know how to read cipher maps. If you were more attentive you have studied the map on the book cover. That book cover carries an actual Templars cipher map. I’ll explain that cipher soon. Ciphers are very powerful just think about it? There is this map on a book cover that details the location of the goldmine described by Spaniard using Templar methods and you have the option of using the satellite view to confirm, but you either don’t know how to use it or you ignore the fact that this Spaniard is laughing at everyone that sees it because he knows that the mystery to locating the goldmine is right in front of your face. I’ll will decipher this map for those who have no clue soon. For the moment think about all those who are being quiet?

 

[SPARTANOC]

Its been quiet for some time, this thread was made to describe the location if the Dutchman’s goldmine. It has been said that the closer you get to a treasure the more secrete or quiet it gets. I’m talking about those who are realizing that the LDM was never in the superstitious mountains and are now quietly venturing into the Sierra Ancha mountain range. It is the reason why Jacob Waltz said you would never find his goldmine. He was never concerned about the superstitious mountains, the story of the two soldiers saying they found the goldmine, or by that matter any story belonging to the superstitious mountains. he said that with confidence because his goldmine was at a high altitude on the eastern summit side of the Sierra Mountain Range. I have the same confidence as Jacob and I can assure you that you won’t find it if you keep insisting on looking in the wrong place. I say this because I know how to read cipher maps. If you were more attentive you have studied the map on the book cover. That book cover carries an actual Templars cipher map. I’ll explain that cipher soon. Ciphers are very powerful just think about it? There is this map on a book cover that details the location of the goldmine described by Spaniard using Templar methods and you have the option of using the satellite view to confirm, but you either don’t know how to use it or you ignore the fact that this Spaniard is laughing at everyone that sees it because he knows that the mystery to locating the goldmine is right in front of your face. I’ll will decipher this map for those who have no clue soon. For the moment think about all those who are being quiet?

Ramiro Valdez

There have been many who have made this same statement over the years (including yourself), but no one has been validated in their positional opinion. The stance you seem to have - has been repeated over and over again - but with no REAL evidence to shore up the alternative idea of said location.

If you've got something to show with real concrete evidence - then please share with the class.

I know of some, that have found what they were looking for in the Supes, which substantiates their claims/theories of their interested area(s). You have shown none.

Regarding the area you've mentioned; there are things out there that are of interest - as I believe the Spaniards were in that particular area. But, to say the LDM is in that mountain range, is stretching things. Possible, but less likely. Regardless of what's being used (i.e. maps, stones, stories, etc.), the fact remains that CLUES are essential. As far as I've read - there are no clues that bring anyone to the Sierra Ancha mountain range, when searching for the LDM specifically. Aside from the fact, that I seriously doubt Waltz made it out there once, let alone several times.

So, without the usual circular repeated idea that - everyone has been looking in the wrong area; please enlighten those of us who rest in clues and landmarks that have been out there for decades.
-SpartanOC

 

[TruthbeTold]

I agree with SpartanOC.

Thousands of posts here concerning the LDM, some claiming to have found it, but not one shred of quantifiable evidence is ever posted.

In fact the story of the lost dutchman mine is just that a story.

The peralta stones were one man’s attempt to create intererest in the story again. Of course there are many stories as to who found the peralta stones and when. Depending on the fiction read, it could have been in the 40’s, 50’s, or 60’s with different folks claiming to have found them.

As the years go by even more new fictional stories will be created and more “clues” discovered.

 

[Ramiro valdez]

Well, apparently the book cover I mentioned before describes the Spaniards whom occupied the Sierra Ancha Mountain peak which Jacob Waltz called the saddle. This cipher map skips the superstitious mountains and gets down to the point being that the map was drawn way before anybody ever knew that the superstitious ever existed. The superstitious mountains were the creation of the natives to keep the Spaniards away from the goldmine which was located on the other side of the Salt River Valley above the Sierra Ancha Mountain Range. It has worked for over two hundred years. This cipher map was created by the Spaniards using Templar symbolic cipher methods. The cipher map directs the Spaniards whom are coming to locate the mountain top that rises from the south elevating towards the north that applies to the compass which helps them identify the mountain top. The compass placement directs the Spaniard to approach the mountain top from the southwest insuring a safety approach from a native attack. A holdfast safety campground has been selected for them by a symbolic symbol called the Hangman’s point. They are warned by this symbol to take precautions before following the trail set for them. At this point they have the advantage of the high point of the saddle peak which over looks the south, the west superstitious mountain range including the four peaks to the northwest and the summit towards the east. The only problem lies to the north which they have to keep at eye on at all times while they go down into the hidden canyon that lies towards the eastern summit as detailed by the trail. But the trail doesn’t have an end and does not show the location of the goldmine? Because this a cipher map made to deceive the ones who do not understand the cipher symbols. If you follow the trail with no end in its direction you will ride for miles not knowing that you passed right by the goldmine without even paying attention to the hidden canyon below your feet. But the Hangman’s symbol knows where it’s at by the three outer lines on the symbol that directs the Spaniards to go up the trail to the right and then take another right at the end of the trail to locate the goldmine. In order to make the instructions more descriptive the map maker has drawn two extra supporting lines on the Hangman’s symbol corners which directs the Spaniards to go up the trail cut the corner to the right then proceed to the end of the trail and then cut the corner one more time to find the goldmine in the hidden canyon. This cipher map was left behind a long time ago. See, listen, and learn cipher symbols. Stop running around trying to catch your tail or tale?

 

[Ramiro valdez]

The cover on the first page of this thread.

 

[SPARTANOC]

The cover on the first page of this thread.

Ramiro Valdez

You still haven't 'shown' anything to back up your claims. Nothing. The only things that I CAN say is; it's just an opinion. You made a detailed claim but only by your words and nothing else to solidify said claims.

I've seen you make these statement before here on TN. I'm not saying your location is 'bunk' per say, but as long as you hold fast to THAT area being the LDM without evidentiary proof - then it's just a story like many we've heard before.
Might I ask; have you been there to that particular location? Have you seen and touched anything in those Mountains (Sierra Ancha Mountain)?

-SpartanOC

 

[Kentuck]

Kentuck

That area look pretty rough to stay the least. Did you utilize a Metal Detector or did you just pan-out the area - following the Float?
-SpartanOC

I did not have a metal detector with me, but if you know what to look for when searching for areas where mining took place, then you will see that there was a lot of activity in this area, and either they tried to hide the place or it caved in, but I never found the entrance to a mine, even though I think I know exactly where it is. You will see gold likely laying on top of the ground although it will be small specs, and of course it has been many years since I was there, so someone else by now may have searched that area.

 

[Kentuck]

Its been quiet for some time, this thread was made to describe the location if the Dutchman’s goldmine. It has been said that the closer you get to a treasure the more secrete or quiet it gets. I’m talking about those who are realizing that the LDM was never in the superstitious mountains and are now quietly venturing into the Sierra Ancha mountain range. It is the reason why Jacob Waltz said you would never find his goldmine. He was never concerned about the superstitious mountains, the story of the two soldiers saying they found the goldmine, or by that matter any story belonging to the superstitious mountains. he said that with confidence because his goldmine was at a high altitude on the eastern summit side of the Sierra Mountain Range. I have the same confidence as Jacob and I can assure you that you won’t find it if you keep insisting on looking in the wrong place. I say this because I know how to read cipher maps. If you were more attentive you have studied the map on the book cover. That book cover carries an actual Templars cipher map. I’ll explain that cipher soon. Ciphers are very powerful just think about it? There is this map on a book cover that details the location of the goldmine described by Spaniard using Templar methods and you have the option of using the satellite view to confirm, but you either don’t know how to use it or you ignore the fact that this Spaniard is laughing at everyone that sees it because he knows that the mystery to locating the goldmine is right in front of your face. I’ll will decipher this map for those who have no clue soon. For the moment think about all those who are being quiet?

Where I think the mine is at, is not exactly in the Superstition Mountains either. I am telling where I found it to be, because I will never be able to go back there again, as I have some health issues and family issues to deal with. If you get the satellite photos from NASA, you can see where they show gold in the exact area where I found the mine, which adds to my credibility that the mine is there, and if not, you will find gold there anyway.

 

[Kentuck]

Its been quiet for some time, this thread was made to describe the location if the Dutchman’s goldmine. It has been said that the closer you get to a treasure the more secrete or quiet it gets. I’m talking about those who are realizing that the LDM was never in the superstitious mountains and are now quietly venturing into the Sierra Ancha mountain range. It is the reason why Jacob Waltz said you would never find his goldmine. He was never concerned about the superstitious mountains, the story of the two soldiers saying they found the goldmine, or by that matter any story belonging to the superstitious mountains. he said that with confidence because his goldmine was at a high altitude on the eastern summit side of the Sierra Mountain Range. I have the same confidence as Jacob and I can assure you that you won’t find it if you keep insisting on looking in the wrong place. I say this because I know how to read cipher maps. If you were more attentive you have studied the map on the book cover. That book cover carries an actual Templars cipher map. I’ll explain that cipher soon. Ciphers are very powerful just think about it? There is this map on a book cover that details the location of the goldmine described by Spaniard using Templar methods and you have the option of using the satellite view to confirm, but you either don’t know how to use it or you ignore the fact that this Spaniard is laughing at everyone that sees it because he knows that the mystery to locating the goldmine is right in front of your face. I’ll will decipher this map for those who have no clue soon. For the moment think about all those who are being quiet?

The Sierra Mountain Range is 500 to 600 miles away from where Waltz died. And why did he venture regularly that far away from his mine? It would take him weeks to travel that distance, and it could only be done at certain times of the year. The mine is most likely in Arizona.

 

[Ramiro valdez]

Now you’re thinking like Jacob Waltz! Who? would dare? go 40 more miles beyond the Salt River Nail Crossing towards the Sierra Ancha mountain saddle peak? The man has the right to say that you would never find his gold mine because it wasn’t his to begin with? And it was no where near the superstitious mountains. It was never there and it will never be. Never question how far a man will travel for a Camel? A man destined to find the goldmine will travel as far as he needs to go and he will take enough gold out of the mine so he doesn’t have to go back for years in order to keep the goldmine hidden as a secret. Never question a cipher map because they are precise in defining the location, if you know how to read them. They are very well written and its purpose is to lead the organization to the exact location of the goldmine by clues deceiving others who do not know how to read them. They are made with instructions that will lead the receiver through the best safe passage way in order to help the receiver be successful in finding the location. Ciphers break the rules that are commonly followed by professional scholars. Therefore scholars need to learn the knowledge and skills of deciphering. An artificial intelligence machine or computer will not help to decipher maps because they cannot understand the mental aspect of arrangements that goes into a cipher map. Every cipher map is different and is made with the understanding of the map maker who breaks and bends all the rules known to scholars. The scholar will find defects or errors to a cipher that he doesn’t comprehend. This thread was made to decipher all the cipher maps because they all direct you to the same location. I’m just getting started. It’s been several years now since I mention the location and that has been enough time for those interested to investigate and take what they wanted from the goldmine. It is time to decipher everything on the Peralta stones, Jacob Waltz doodles, Julia Thomas stone map and any other cipher map needed to be decipher. If you want to learn, then stick around.

 

[SPARTANOC]

Now you’re thinking like Jacob Waltz! Who? would dare? go 40 more miles beyond the Salt River Nail Crossing towards the Sierra Ancha mountain saddle peak? The man has the right to say that you would never find his gold mine because it wasn’t his to begin with? And it was no where near the superstitious mountains. It was never there and it will never be. Never question how far a man will travel for a Camel? A man destined to find the goldmine will travel as far as he needs to go and he will take enough gold out of the mine so he doesn’t have to go back for years in order to keep the goldmine hidden as a secret. Never question a cipher map because they are precise in defining the location, if you know how to read them. They are very well written and its purpose is to lead the organization to the exact location of the goldmine by clues deceiving others who do not know how to read them. They are made with instructions that will lead the receiver through the best safe passage way in order to help the receiver be successful in finding the location. Ciphers break the rules that are commonly followed by professional scholars. Therefore scholars need to learn the knowledge and skills of deciphering. An artificial intelligence machine or computer will not help to decipher maps because they cannot understand the mental aspect of arrangements that goes into a cipher map. Every cipher map is different and is made with the understanding of the map maker who breaks and bends all the rules known to scholars. The scholar will find defects or errors to a cipher that he doesn’t comprehend. This thread was made to decipher all the cipher maps because they all direct you to the same location. I’m just getting started. It’s been several years now since I mention the location and that has been enough time for those interested to investigate and take what they wanted from the goldmine. It is time to decipher everything on the Peralta stones, Jacob Waltz doodles, Julia Thomas stone map and any other cipher map needed to be decipher. If you want to learn, then stick around.

Ramiro Valdez

There's just no logic, that would back up the idea that Jacob went that far north - out of the way. His trips never took that long, as there were some that watched Jacob leave and arrive back at certain times, which DO NOT back up the thought that, Mr. Waltz traveled that far North. There just isn't anything, any clue, or evidence to back up that theory. I'm sure it's been brought up before - over the years, but I've read much and have had conversations with others that wouldn't even entertain that theory. What I do think is up there, are traces of either Spaniards or Aztec involvement; being a staged area, possibly a homestead of sorts, aside from mining up there.

As for the ciphers, though you seem to hold tight to those puzzles, I don't see understanding them as KEY to finding either the LDM or any other possible 'Jesuit stash'. There are clues already out there and many have been confirmed - so the whole Cipher thing, in my opinion, is just another confusing element to all of this "hunting". It may assist in some small fashion, but doesn't rely on whether someone finds the Mine or not. I think at this point, the act of elimination would benefit more positively than trying to read into a map, that might just be a map in general - this due to the fact, that most maps are worthless.
-SpartanOC

 

[Clay Diggins]

His trips never took that long, as there were some that watched Jacob leave and arrive back at certain times, which DO NOT back up the thought that, Mr. Waltz traveled that far North.
-SpartanOC

Who was watching Waltz and where can I find their first person accounts? That would be some important information if it existed. I've never seen any first person accounts of any of Waltz' activities.

 

[markmar]

 

[SPARTANOC]

Who was watching Waltz and where can I find their first person accounts? That would be some important information if it existed. I've never seen any first person accounts of any of Waltz' activities.

Clay Diggins

Hmm, not sure how you got first person account from my statement, which I based things lightly on P.C. Bicknell's San Francisco chronicle Jan, 13th 1895 article - which states some in town noticed Waltz's travel twice a year to town WITH Gold ore. Though, there is one gentleman by the name of Bill Cage who, made Waltz special chisels and a small pick, as well as worked on his saddle bags - It's no secret that Jacob had gold Ore, before his death and the point was, Waltz didn't travel invisibly with his burros - he was seen by locals. As to where specifically, no one can be sure 100%. I doubt he traveled that far North as Ramiro likes to state though.
-SpartanOC

 

[Clay Diggins]

If we don't know who watched him we can't assume "some in town" were anything more that Bickinell's famously fertile imagination.

You really should look into the history of Bicknell before relying on an article he sold. He was well known in the newspaper business as being among the finest of prevaricators. That was the literary fashion of the time - dime novels and made up heroes.

In Prescott, Bicknells's home, he was known as probably the dumbest prospector in history. He spent most of his considerable personal fortune searching for gold deposits on the Coconino Plateau. The Coconino Plateau is pretty well known geologically as one big pile of various forms of sand and mud turned into sedimentary rock - no chance of gold there. He was pretty lonely out there since no prospector worth his salt would be caught prospecting sandstone for gold. Lucky for him he didn't need investors or a writing income.

The deal with first person accounts is because Sam said Mary said last Tuesday or Wednesday was when Mary's friend thought she saw the brown dog probably down around the Cottonwoods. ... Or maybe it was an old guy with a couple of burros. Lot of trees down there.