Yesterdays pile of colonial goodies including 2 KG coppers

Bill D. (VA)

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Yesterday's pile of colonial goodies including 2 KG coppers

My partner Dan already provided the background regarding our hunt yesterday in his recent post, so I won't provide a repeat. But I do have to reiterate that we experienced the full gamut of hunting conditions going from a snow-covered arctic tundra to a mudfest within the course of about 5 hours. Chomping away at the frozen turf with a pick-axe is no fun as many of you know, but trying to retrieve your unearthed artifact from a handful of mud soup is no picnic either. In spite of all the difficulties it turned out to be a productive day for both of us. After our initial disappointment with gridding the area of most promise with very little to show, things changed quickly when we started wandering and both of us settled into our own artifact-rich hotspots within 5 min. Buttons started coming out at a rapid pace and we ended up with about 50 between the 2 of us. I finally got the colonial coin train going with the recovery of a KG copper. At first I though it was a large flat button as it was reading rather low (55 on my F75), but the left facing bust confirmed the ID. After Dan dug his early LC and cut silver I was fortunate to get a nice high tone just before we were preparing to leave, and another KG popped out with a 1745 date. I have to say its extremely unusual for us to be digging so many coppers and so few silvers at the last couple of sites. My long term ratio is about 4:1 in favor of silver. But I'm not complaining as I have embarrassingly few KGs in my collection. My only button that was out of the ordinary was this very tiny one with a cool looking lion design. I also dug what appeared to be a couple of thimbles, but it seems as though they were purposely made without tops. Not sure how they could function properly with that kind of design. But maybe that's not what they are?? The last 2 pics show a very interesting brass item I dug in a very small trash pit that contained only a little bit of charcoal and bones. A number of other chewed up pieces of brass were also in the pit that were probably part of this item. Don't have a clue what it might be. Hopefully things will dry up soon so we can get back in there for a little more enjoyable hunting and pit digging, but the next week looks to continue to be wet. But guess that's better than the 6-8" of snow and -4F temp we had last week.
 

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Love the coppers Bill. You guys did well in spite of conditions, can't wait to see the results when the weather improves.
 

Bill you guys have a great site there man:headbang:
I have heard of guys starting a fire and heating water on it to pour on the target spot:icon_scratch:

That is a little extreme but the treasure must be found....:laughing7:

Blaze
 

Nice hunt Bill with lots of keepers. Nice to see you find some coppers for a change. I'm surprised you have never dug one those open topped thimbles before. I've found several of them up here. I thought they were pretty common.
 

Bill you guys have a great site there man:headbang:
I have heard of guys starting a fire and heating water on it to pour on the target spot:icon_scratch:

That is a little extreme but the treasure must be found....:laughing7:

Blaze

Blaze - here is another extreme and 100% true. Three summers ago we were having a horrible drought. I was working a construction site that was hard as a rock but digging some great colonial goodies. I went home, filled two 2-liter soda bottles full of water, poured them in the hole and let them sit for a few hours. I came back and dug the targets, 1 a piece of trash, another a 1768 half reale! go figure.
 

Oh ya. That's neat. Cool that you found them. I'll keep an eye out for them. I like the KG's. I found one over the summer.
 

Nice hunt Bill with lots of keepers. Nice to see you find some coppers for a change. I'm surprised you have never dug one those open topped thimbles before. I've found several of them up here. I thought they were pretty common.

Yeah - that's strange Steve. We dig thimbles at nearly every site and this is the first one I've seen.
 

Outstanding old relics Bill. I can't imagine digging that much great stuff.
Congrats,
Doug
 

Man that is a large quantity of finds in one hunt! GREAT stuff! BTW, the last photo is the place where the bail of a copper bucket was attached to the bucket. The bail went through the loop at the top. There are many surviving period examples of these.

http://p2.la-img.com/690/16601/5682633_1_l.jpg
 

Man that is a large quantity of finds in one hunt! GREAT stuff! BTW, the last photo is the place where the bail of a copper bucket was attached to the bucket. The bail went through the loop at the top. There are many surviving period examples of these.

http://p2.la-img.com/690/16601/5682633_1_l.jpg

Thanks Buck. That piece must have came off a fairly large bucket as its quite thick and heavy. But all that was found with it in the small fire pit were a few pieces of thin brass or copper, and I don't believe they were from the bucket.
 

Excellent finds in those conditions. I couldn't imagine detecting in such cold conditions. The temp will be 42c or around 110F
tomorrow in Wangaratta, Victoria, Australia.

Cheers, Woolshed.
 

So glad you posted your pics. I found brass pieces like your last 2 pics as well, Bill. I posted them on What Is It and people guessed everything from a window latch to suitcase/trunk handles, lol. You had an awesome hunt. Keep up the good posts!
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Bill D, With most colonial homes having their own seamstress using the more common thimbles that we tend to find, I would think that Tailors thimbles indicate of course a Tailor. Do you have knowledge of a trading post or other commerce here? Either way Tailors thimbles, coins, buttons and buckles add up and I'm betting there's a lot more where those came from. Sure y'all will find them.
 

Bill D, With most colonial homes having their own seamstress using the more common thimbles that we tend to find, I would think that Tailors thimbles indicate of course a Tailor. Do you have knowledge of a trading post or other commerce here? Either way Tailors thimbles, coins, buttons and buckles add up and I'm betting there's a lot more where those came from. Sure y'all will find them.

This was a site we researched through land patents so we believe it's an individual homesite with possibly another outbuilding or two. I've hunted a number of taverns, trading posts and other areas of commerce and you tend to see a lot more targets at those types of sites with many more early coins. They also have nice, large trash pits in fairly easy to find places. We haven't seen any of these signs so far, but that doesn't mean we won't. Regardless of the recovery of the tailor's thimbles, I still feel this was a home based on how we're reading the site so far. Thanks for the comments.
 

Thanks Buck. That piece must have came off a fairly large bucket as its quite thick and heavy. But all that was found with it in the small fire pit were a few pieces of thin brass or copper, and I don't believe they were from the bucket.

I have always found only the bails. Not sure why they were pried off, unless one side broke, or they were removed from the buckets so the buckets could be used for something else. The ones I find are typically thick, heavy, cast brass, around 2 inches wide and tall.

I never knew what those things were till I ate breakfast at a little place somewhere in Southern Indiana called "The Copper Pot." Nice little mom and pop restaurant, and quite cheap in terms of cost. The big attraction there was a large, pre-Civil War copper pot, and when I looked closely at it, I noticed the bails were identical to ones I'd dug. Funny how things get identified sometimes...
 

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