Wrecks from Aztec & Inca looting periods

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Has there been much written about wrecks of the period of the looting of the treasures of the Aztecs in 1521 (fall of Tenochtitlan) and subsequently Inca in 1533 (execution of Atahualpa) and the immediate years following?

My main interest is gold ornaments and jewelry hence my past posts re: Manila galleons returning from Manila pre-1630. With regards to Aztecs and Inca treasure, I reckon in the early years after the conquest and looting much of the transport would have been in the form of ornaments, jewelry, and ceremonial artifacts before wide spread melting of metal began.

In Book IX, Chapter 91, The True History of the Conquest of New Spain (Historia verdadera de la conquista de la Nueva Espana), Bernal Diaz del Castillo recounts the initial gifts (from Moctezuma to Cortes): “collars, bracelets, and many other jewels, all of fine gold and very rich workmanship.”

After Pizarro's conquest of the Inca Empire and Atahualpa’s capture and execution in 1533, the Spanish extracted an enormous ransom of gold and silver (estimated at 13,000 pounds of gold and 26,000 pounds of silver), which included many ornaments, jewelry and artifacts. This treasure was shipped from Peru to Panama starting in 1533–1534.

So we have 1520-1522 and 1533-1534 as the start of the period where the Spanish acquired Aztec and Inca treasures. Most of the treasure would have been shipped in its original form before widespread melting began in the years following.

Any literature from these periods about possible wrecks re: Callao to Panama (or Caribbean side of Panama) or Veracruz to Havana? Anyone know of anyone's past pursuits of such wrecks if any?
 

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An other source of early gold artifacts is the German colony of the Walsers in Venezuela, from about 1528, ending in 1556. A considerable amount of gold was plundered from the indigenous people and shipped to Europe via Santo Domingo. Just Federmann alone, collected about 8000 pounds of gold ornaments during his expedition. This is one hoard that never reached Europe.
What happened to it?
Is it possible that all of it or at least a part was shipped on the "San Anton del Brasil" that wrecked in the Bahamas in 1552?
The Welsers made a great effort to locate the source of the gold, but never found it. In their search they committed horrible atrocities, torture and genocide.
 

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Technically Callao was founded in 1537. So ships sailing from Callao in 1533 to 1534 was unlikely as there was another small port to the north that pizzaro had made a base camp. The name escapes me at present.

Crow
 

Ah yes the old bird brain kicked in. Just after I posted. Paita founded in 1532 by Francisco pizzaro. It was his base camp for his invasion into Peru.

Crow
 

I don't there was much shipment of treasure in the early years as there was still much turmoil and pizzaro still did not have full control over the Inca or other tribes.

Crow
 

At the time of pizzarros invasion the Inca empire was in the middle of a civil war. Cusco was the losing side. Plus small Pox devestated the local popularion. More looting came later as more Spanish arrived and stated looting burial sites of various tribes not just Inca.

Crow.
 

Thank you Crow and Colombiapictures for contributing. So as far as Peru goes and perhaps also Mexico the time period for transport of the spoils of conquest would be extended, possibly as far as the 1550s or a bit longer before wide spread melting of metal began. I did not think of the Welser's colony, thanks for pointing that out CP.

CP, you state:

This is one hoard that never reached Europe.
What happened to it?

Did you mean to attach a document providing further details of this hoard you speak of? The 2 documents discuss the Wesler Colony in context of German colonial history and Spanish and Wesler atrocities but make no reference to any specific hoard.
 

I got some numbers from an old German text. I will dig it up and post it, you can then Google translate it. After some difficulties in finding Spanish texts, I now got the Spanish versions of the German names of the colonizers and am looking at the Spanish archives.
The Spanish view and the German view of the events are much distorted by propaganda. English and French translations are even more distorted.
Comparing several versions, dates of the versions etc. one finds recurring numbers and repetitious accounts that have more credibility.
 

The original Welser and Fugger archives in Germany contain vast amounts of information, but I have not yet found access. Also the old German script is different from the modern script which will take me a few weeks of getting used to, even if the German language was the main language throughout my school years.
 

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How many months or years of research have you done? Have you ever been to the gold museum in either Lima or Bogota?
 

My personal thought is that almost all Inca gold artifacts were melted down in Peru before being shipped to Panama. Unless we could find some in the basement of the Vatican!
 

This book about the Welser colony is selling on Amazon. It contains links to sources of the information.
 

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Here is one in spanish language, again with many references to the sources of the content.
 

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How many months or years of research have you done? Have you ever been to the gold museum in either Lima or Bogota?
Only been at this on and off for the last 2 years of which most of it was spent taking care of my paps as he had major health problems, although doing much better now. So my time has been all over the place but looking to dive deeper in all of this starting this year.

I have not been to the gold museum in ether Lima or Bogota, but I will go.

Why basement of the Vatican? Spanish sent gold to the Vatican or would that be something the Jesuits did?

CP, thank you for the references to the books, I will look into it.

Yeah so I am a newbie in this, still getting my feet wet in terms of research and figuring out what direction to pursue - one thing for sure is my focus is gold, gold species and gold ornaments and jewelry (preferably in the Americas).

As such, off the top of my head the following is very interesting to me:

-Wrecks from peak gold production of Peru and Colombia - 1520s to 1560s and 1650s-1750s
-Pre-1630 Manila galleons (for the gold jewelry and ornaments)
-Portuguese wrecks with Brazilian gold (~1690s to 1780s)
-Wrecks loaded with gold species (payment for war supplies/payroll, wealth on the move during war, etc etc)
-Special situation wrecks i.e treasure from defeat, submission or gifts like Flor do Mar (Sultan of Malacca's treasure), Cinco Chagas etc or wreck that had special VIPs aboard that went down with very specific treasure items (jewels, ornaments, gold species)
-Lisbon to Falmouth/UK route (flow of gold because of balance of payments)
-Real de Tayopa Tropical Tramp's theory that Jesuits clandestinely transport gold from Caballos Mountain and Victorio Peak, New Mexico to Matamoros via Rio Grande and from there ship to Rome.

The Wesler colony is also something to not ignore but I have not done much esearch into that yet.

I also have one leg in technology and engineering (related to next generation search and salvage), which has been keeping me very busy.
 

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