Why skeptics doesnt show proof?

[EddieR]

Re: Why skeptics doesn't show proof?

The pseudoskeps will start squealing about your remark about "that's not the way they are designed".

Simple fact is....human interface is necessary for a lot of things to work as designed.....including treasure hunting metal detectors.

I can suspend my metal detector from the ceiling with
string, turn it on, then without touching it again,
wave metal under the coil and it
will beep everytime until the battery dies.

Lets see an LRL suspended and turned on follow anything
without someone actually tilting it to turn in the direction
they consciously or subconsciously want it to turn.

This human interface mularky is laughable at best, it is
the only thing that makes an lrl point at anything and
the user is only fooling themself.

Art's movies are the biggest jokes on this forum, you guys
should look up the definition of the word sarcasm.

Notice in my post I wrote "as designed". My detectors don't have a place on them to tie string to them.

Now, just for fun, let's poke some holes in your post.

First of all, who looks for metal in their house with a detector hanging from the ceiling? Sounds like someone forgot to take their meds.

Second of all....lets go outside with the detector. Just playing along with your "scenario" let's hang your detector from a tree. Now....wave that piece of metal (let's use a silver quarter) under the coil. What happened?

Did it beep?





Good. You didn't run the battery down in the house.


Now, let's remove the human interface, the malarkey, so to speak. Let's sit down under the tree, a few feet away and wait. Did I mention that we needed a butterfly net? I didn't?

Oops, okay let's go get one.




We'll need it to catch those silver quarters as they come floating by the coil. Of course, if they are floating around in the air, we won't need that detector any more, we'll just catch them with our butterfly net.

Have you caught any yet?

This is what you get when a failed lawyer sticks his head
in a pizza oven too long.

Too complicated for ya pizza boy?
perhaps this will help. See if that little car in your
driveway with the giant pizza slice sign on it can
deliver a pizza in 30 minutes or less with no one
driving it.

Now what does that tirade have to do with your feeble attempt at an explanation of your (fail) post?

How many quarters have you caught yet?



Oh, by the way....I never mentioned this. Remember the pic of you holding the cat that you shot?

We have those here in Tennessee.


We call them....




Housecats.

 

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[pronghorn]

Re: Why skeptics doesn't show proof?

ooooooooooooooooooooooowwww
you really got me good there, I'm so depressed

You know those things in Tennessee you call mountains,
we got them here to....we call them foothills.

You want to show me where I said it was me in the
picture. It was a mountain lion shot in this area by
a hunter.

Your stupid attempt at an insult with the butterfly net
story makes you look even more foolish.

The lrl will not move unless you physically tilt it causing
the L rod to swivel one way or the other, this is a fact.

My metal detector will work, detect metal whether it is
suspended from a tree, leaning on a stump, laying on
the ground, hanging from the rafters, whatever. If metal
passes within a certain distance of the coil it will beep.

An lrl will do absolutely nothing unless you the holder
tilt it causing the L rod to move. The L rod will not
budge whether you wave a brick of gold 5 miles or
5 inches in front of it.

Now on with the childish insults.

 

[EddieR]

Re: Why skeptics doesn't show proof?

ooooooooooooooooooooooowwww
you really got me good there, I'm so depressed

You know those things in Tennessee you call mountains,
we got them here to....we call them foothills.

You want to show me where I said it was me in the
picture. It was a mountain lion shot in this area by
a hunter.

You stupid attempt at an insult with the butterfly net
story makes you look even more foolish.

The lrl will not work unless you physically tilt it causing
the L rod to swivel one way or the other, this is a fact.

My metal detector will work, detect metal whether it is
suspended from a tree, leaning on a stump, laying on
the ground, hanging from the rafters, whatever. If metal
passes within a certain distance of the coil it will beep.

An lrl will do absolutely nothing unless you the holder
tilt it causing the L rod to move. The L rod will not
budge whether you wave a brick of gold 5 miles or
5 inches in front of it.

Now on with the childish insults.

Yep, metal must pass by the coil. But that will require human interface, would it not? That was the whole point of the post. Human interface, remember?


You said something about "on with the childish insults"....


I was waiting for you to post, but you never did.




I guess you're out with your little butterfly net. Happy hunting!

 

[aarthrj3811]

Re: Why skeptics doesn't show proof?

~pronghorn~

The lrl will not move unless you physically tilt it causing
the L rod to swivel one way or the other, this is a fact.

A fact known by only the skeptics

My metal detector will work, detect metal whether it is
suspended from a tree, leaning on a stump, laying on
the ground, hanging from the rafters, whatever. If metal
passes within a certain distance of the coil it will beep.

Yes..That is how it is designed to work A few inch’s from the coil

An lrl will do absolutely nothing unless you the holder
tilt it causing the L rod to move. The L rod will not
budge whether you wave a brick of gold 5 miles or
5 inches in front of it.

Another skeptic myth

Now on with the childish insults.

Yes…That is the skeptics agenda
It is so much fun when they run out of excuses…Art

 

[Saturna]

Re: Why skeptics doesn't show proof?

Yep, metal must pass by the coil. But that will require human interface, would it not? That was the whole point of the post. Human interface, remember?

Not once the detector was set up, it wouldn't. The detector would beep at metal within range, even without the detector being held by human hands.
But I know you knew that's what was meant.

Let's see any LRL, react to anything, without being held. Oh, you can 'set it up' however you want first.

 

[aarthrj3811]

Re: Why skeptics doesn't show proof?

~Saturna~

Let's see any LRL, react to anything, without being held. Oh, you can 'set it up' however you want first.

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[EddieR]

Re: Why skeptics doesn't show proof?

Yep, metal must pass by the coil. But that will require human interface, would it not? That was the whole point of the post. Human interface, remember?

Not once the detector was set up, it wouldn't. The detector would beep at metal within range, even without the detector being held by human hands.
But I know you knew that's what was meant.

Let's see any LRL, react to anything, without being held. Oh, you can 'set it up' however you want first.

When was the last time you saw metal floating around in the air?

It doesn't happen...unless someone waves metal in front of it.

But I know that's what you meant.

 

[Saturna]

Re: Why skeptics doesn't show proof?

OK Eddie. A good day to you.

 

[architecad]

Re: Why skeptics doesn't show proof?

I'm working on it
arch

Make sure you use invisable thread

The LRL believers can't even get their fantasies straight.
Now it is magnetic fields, I thought it was signal lines,
or was it ions, or moon beams, or fairy dust, make up your minds.

Don't worry about to be or not to be invisible. I got my feet on earth since I was born. You said "I thought it was signal lines or ion" then what is it? if you had made some research by yourself. If I say something about LRL here is because I'd used MFD and LRL before and I'd found gold. I don't fake myself trying to pretend to find something.

Honest with you, I don't pay more than a LRL deserve to be paid. If I can build one by myself I will do it but yes, I believe in this phenomenon called Dowsing and I practice with fair success.

 

[LM]

Re: Why skeptics doesn't show proof?

Simple fact is....human interface is necessary for a lot of things to work as designed.....including treasure hunting metal detectors.

This is completely absurd... Metal Detectors do not require 'human interface' to accomplish the functions they're designed to do.
They will detect metal whether a human is handling them or not.

http://www.engadget.com/2007/05/25/uk-inventor-crafts-remote-controlled-treasure-hunting-robot/

 

[aarthrj3811]

Re: Why skeptics doesn't show proof?

~SWR~

Can you prove the test doesn't exist? Nope.

You just keep on proving that you lack any knowledge of Treasure hunting equipment
Yes the test does exist. Post #28 explains why the test is used…The test is for conventional metal detectors..The skeptic keep on trying to discuss stuff that does not pertain to LRL’s…Art

 

[Real de Tayopa Tropical Tramp]

Re: Why skeptics doesn't show proof?

Morning LS: You posted --> This is completely absurd... Metal Detectors do not require 'human interface' to accomplish the functions they're designed to do.
They will detect metal whether a human is handling them or not.

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May I ask who turns them on, and 'interprets' the readings ??

Don Jose de La Mancha
"I exist to Live, not live to exist"

 

[LM]

Re: Why skeptics doesn't show proof?

May I ask who turns them on, and 'interprets' the readings ??

You may ask that, but I certainly hope you're intelligent enough to realize that the answer bears no relationship to the leap of faith expected required to believe in Long Range Locating.

A human turns on a metal detector and a human listens for the reading, however, the reading itself is achieved by scientific means. Whether a human is handling it or not does not change the fact that it will read metal should metal pass in front of it's coil, irrespective of what the human 'perceives'. That is science. It requires no 'belief' in order to work. Whether you believe in metal detectors or not, they will signal when metal is encountered.

LRL relies on an entirely different, totally absurd and 'faith based' premise, where the human being 'interfaces' with the device itself and by virtue of various frauds 'theories' and official sounding scientific phraseology (that originates with LRL salespeople and not science), the combined human/LRL 'unit' is able to channel some mystical energy to detect metals, minerals or objects from great distances.

The only people for whom these devices work are those who 'believe' they work. They don't work for anyone else.
Therein lies the difference between science and a hoax.

 

[EddieR]

Re: Why skeptics doesn't show proof?

~Prong~

You believers should commission Art to make a movie of the
H3 enclosed dowsing rod following a target from side to side,
I am sure Art is up to the challenge. His movies have so far
been epic!

Thank You Prong for admitting that my movies are great
~Jr~

skeptics doesn't show proof? ( Movie great) Art has steped out many time's, to make a movie to show how it's work's........ I for one would like to see a Skeptics, take the time,and make a movie, showing there side of it, how it can't work.

They will not do that..They are afraid of these little LRL Tools.. Look at the photo and tell us why they are afraid to even hold the device in thier hand?

~SWR~

This has been posted several times now. Notice the device not pointing to the gold bar? Perhaps you should invest in one of these LRLs that does not point at a bar of gold...sitting right next to it

Could you please tell us which section of the H3Tec Owners Manual this test can be found ? I can not find this test in any of my instruction manuals. In fact I know of no LRL that will pass this test as that is not the way they are designed.
SWR and other Skeptics think that this kind of test proves something and it does…It proves that they are a bunch of know nothing con men and 3rd rate scam artists…Art

The test doesn't exist.

The pseudoskeps will start squealing about your remark about "that's not the way they are designed".

Simple fact is....human interface is necessary for a lot of things to work as designed.....including treasure hunting metal detectors.

Can you prove the test doesn't exist? Nope.

Oddly enough...for someone claiming to be a Paranormal Investigator....your investigation premise blows chunks.


woo?

You want me to prove a negative, eh?

Aren't you guys always whining about that being impossible?

 

[Real de Tayopa Tropical Tramp]

Re: Why skeptics doesn't show proof?

Good afternoon LS You posted -> LRL relies on an entirely different, totally absurd and 'faith based' premise, where the human being 'interfaces' with the device itself and by virtue of various frauds 'theories' and official sounding scientific phraseology (that originates with LRL salespeople and not science), the combined human/LRL 'unit' is able to channel some mystical energy to detect metals, minerals or objects from great distances.
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Aren't you being a bit 'presumptive'? Just because we can't put forth a 'canned' answer based upon our 'present' level of understanding of the universe and it myriads of interconnected functionings, does not mean that it, the Universe, does not exist.

Tell me how is cold fusion to be finally accomplished? Since no one truly knows what the final development will be, it is not scientifically provable according to your line of thought and present level of development

Do you have the slightest proof or reason to prove that a minute signal, of any kind, will not react with 'any other' body in the Universe in one way or the other and so react as the Lrl proponents claim?

Don Jose de La Mancha
"I exist to Live, not live to exist

 

[Real de Tayopa Tropical Tramp]

Re: Why skeptics doesn't show proof?

LS a continuation. You posted -->The only people for whom these devices work are those who 'believe' they work. They don't work for anyone else. Therein lies the difference between science and a hoax.
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Interesting in that your are flatly dismissing the infamous "Placebo" effect. The medical profession would be interested in you description of an important research tool of theirs as being a hoax and non scientific.

Conversely, it will not work for those that 'believe' it will not work, so have no success. Begining psychology has an answer for that in many phases of life. he he

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You also posted -->LRL relies on an entirely different, totally absurd and 'faith based' premise, where the human being 'interfaces' with the device itself and by virtue of various frauds 'theories' and official sounding scientific phraseology (that originates with LRL salespeople and not science), the combined human/LRL 'unit' is able to channel some mystical energy to detect metals, minerals or objects from great distances
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Interesting, I always thought that energy from the sun was converted from one frequency to another? Is this ability an example of a mystical, fraudlent, ability, premise?

 

[Saturna]

Re: Why skeptics doesn't show proof?

Morning LS: You posted --> This is completely absurd... Metal Detectors do not require 'human interface' to accomplish the functions they're designed to do.
They will detect metal whether a human is handling them or not.

*********************
May I ask who turns them on, and 'interprets' the readings ??

Don Jose de La Mancha
"I exist to Live, not live to exist"

And any human can turn them on, and any human can hear the beep. Open or closed mind.

 

[EddieR]

Re: Why skeptics doesn't show proof?

Morning LS: You posted --> This is completely absurd... Metal Detectors do not require 'human interface' to accomplish the functions they're designed to do.
They will detect metal whether a human is handling them or not.

*********************
May I ask who turns them on, and 'interprets' the readings ??

Don Jose de La Mancha
"I exist to Live, not live to exist"

And any human can turn them on, and any human can hear the beep. Open or closed mind.

Yep....

Human interface....

 

[hung]

Re: Why skeptics doesn't show proof?

And any human can turn them on, and any human can hear the beep. Open or closed mind.

And you have never been so true...
This babe behaves exactly as you state above.

This is the classic PDC210.
It is now discontinued.
But I am personally working right now in a circuit based on this beauty for my own use.
Maybe if I think you are worth of seeing it, I might post a picture later.

Finally you stated something that makes sense. I knew someday you would say the right words.

 

[Real de Tayopa Tropical Tramp]

Re: Why skeptics doesn't show proof?

Sat: You posted -->And any human can turn them on, and any human can hear the beep. Open or closed mind
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Wrong 'again' my friend

A) Deaf persons cannot do it

B) deaf & blind people cannot either

C) snicker

Don Jose de La Mancha
"I exist to Live, not live to exist"