Why Rate Shock Is An Essential Part Of Health Care Reform

Dave44:

All better now.

Good luck to all,

~The Old Bookaroo
 

Jim in Idaho:

You generalize too much. I am a liberal - a progressive - etc. And I absolutely both understand and believe in the US Constitution. I don't except the twisted, right-wing spun version of it.

Good luck to all,

~The Old Bookaroo
 

Jim in Idaho:

You generalize too much. I am a liberal - a progressive - etc. And I absolutely both understand and believe in the US Constitution. I don't except the twisted, right-wing spun version of it.

Good luck to all,

~The Old Bookaroo

There is only one version.

It starts with Bill of Rights, without it the rest is null and void.....m



The Preamble to The Bill of Rights


Begun and held at the City of New-York, on Wednesday the fourth of March, one thousand seven hundred and eighty nine.

*Conventions of a number of the States, having at the time of their adopting the Constitution, expressed a desire, in order to prevent misconstruction or abuse of its powers, that further declaratory and restrictive clauses should be added: And as extending the ground of public confidence in the Government, will best ensure the beneficent ends of its institution.

*by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America, in Congress assembled, two thirds of both Houses concurring, that the following Articles be proposed to the Legislatures of the several States, as amendments to the Constitution of the United States, all, or any of which Articles, when ratified by three fourths of the said Legislatures, to be valid to all intents and purposes, as part of the said Constitution; viz.

*in addition to, and Amendment of the Constitution of the United States of America, proposed by Congress, and ratified by the Legislatures of the several States, pursuant to the fifth Article of the original Constitution.

The Bill of Rights: A Transcription

The Preamble to The Bill of Rights

Congress of the United States
begun and held at the City of New-York, on
Wednesday the fourth of March, one thousand seven hundred and eighty nine.

The Conventions of a number of the States, having at the time of their adopting the Constitution, expressed a desire, in order to prevent misconstruction or abuse of its powers, that further declaratory and restrictive clauses should be added: And as extending the ground of public confidence in the Government, will best ensure the beneficent ends of its institution.

RESOLVED*by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America, in Congress assembled, two thirds of both Houses concurring, that the following Articles be proposed to the Legislatures of the several States, as amendments to the Constitution of the United States, all, or any of which Articles, when ratified by three fourths of the said Legislatures, to be valid to all intents and purposes, as part of the said Constitution; viz.

ARTICLES*in addition to, and Amendment of the Constitution of the United States of America, proposed by Congress, and ratified by the Legislatures of the several States, pursuant to the fifth Article of the original Constitution.

: The following text is a transcription of the first ten amendments to the Constitution in their original form. These amendments were ratified December 15, 1791, and form what is known as the "Bill of Rights."

Amendment I

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

Amendment II

A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

Amendment III

No Soldier shall, in time of peace be quartered in any house, without the consent of the Owner, nor in time of war, but in a manner to be prescribed by law.

Amendment IV

The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.

Amendment V

No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a Grand Jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the Militia, when in actual service in time of War or public danger; nor shall any person be subject for the same offence to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation.

Amendment VI

In all criminal prosecutions, the accused shall enjoy the right to a speedy and public trial, by an impartial jury of the State and district wherein the crime shall have been committed, which district shall have been previously ascertained by law, and to be informed of the nature and cause of the accusation; to be confronted with the witnesses against him; to have compulsory process for obtaining witnesses in his favor, and to have the Assistance of Counsel for his defence.

Amendment VII

In Suits at common law, where the value in controversy shall exceed twenty dollars, the right of trial by jury shall be preserved, and no fact tried by a jury, shall be otherwise re-examined in any Court of the United States, than according to the rules of the common law.

Amendment VIII

Excessive bail shall not be required, nor excessive fines imposed, nor cruel and unusual punishments inflicted.

Amendment IX

The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people.

Amendment X

The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.







We will NOT go quitely into the night!
 

Dave44:

You wrote "But tax 'breaks' are not necessarily the same as funding." Tax breaks can readily be converted into upfront cash. Look at how many housing developments are funded.

The NFL is the largest socialistic enterprise in the United States.

Good luck to all,

~The Old Bookaroo

Oh you are making a case for fascism now! I get it. And we thought you were a 1 trick guy!
 

Dave44:

There is no factual connection between my posts and your version of them.

Your position is so weak you can only defend it by making a weak attempt to twist what I write. I didn't "make a case" for anything. I stated objective facts.

"Facism?" That came from you - not me.

Good luck to all,

~The Old Bookaroo
 

There have been quite a few comments here regarding the Affordable Health Care Act's minimum standards for insurance. People have mocked the idea that men are covered for pregnancy. While I don't necessarily agree the Act does that - what difference does it make? Insurance is priced on risk. The Act requires health insurance companies to repay eighty cents out of every premium dollar in claims. Since the risk is obviously zero what's the cost?

Meanwhile, a reasonable view of where we are today:

Why 'Rate Shock' Is An Essential Part Of Health Care Reform

By Josh Barro

Once Obamacare is implemented, America's health insurance system will be a thicket of subsidies
and transfers that benefit some people and harm others.

Critics of the law have seized on this observation, noting the existence of "rate shock": some people (especially young and healthy ones with moderate and high incomes who buy insurance in the individual market) will pay more than they used to, so others can pay less.
But here's the thing: Before Obamacare, our health insurance system was already a thicket of subsidies and transfers. The law doesn't simplify the system, but it does make the thicket of subsidies and transfers more sensible: directed more at people who have low incomes or high health needs, and greatly shrinking the share of the population that doesn't have health coverage at all.

Making the thicket more sensible will mean that some people's costs go up, producing "rate shock."…

Why 'Rate Shock' Is An Essential Part Of Health Care Reform - Yahoo Finance

Good luck to all,

~The Old Bookaroo

SoCalBeachScanner:

There have been a number of pieces out there about the National Football League being a billion dollar "non-profit." Turns out the IRS Code has a specific exemption in the non-profit regs for a professional football league...

Good luck to all,

~The Old Bookaroo

packerbacker:

That's how the Texas Rangers got their new baseball park built. I believe George Bush (43) was their president at the time.

Under California law, eminent domain can be used to seize private land for a private purpose. I think that is an extraordinarily bad idea. Just plain wrong. The US Supreme Court (Kelo) ruled that was legal - the states are the best judges of how eminent domain should be used.

Good luck to all,

~The Old Bookaroo

Unclebuck247:

I believe you are confusing the baseball park built by the Texas Rangers when George Bush was its President and the football stadium built for the Dallas Cowboys when Jerry Jones was in charge.

Interesting, however, to look at the tax breaks given the Cowboys. One figure I've seen is they don't pay $1,000,000 a year in the property taxes another corporation would owe.

Good luck to all,

~The Old Bookaroo

Dave44:

You wrote "But tax 'breaks' are not necessarily the same as funding." Tax breaks can readily be converted into upfront cash. Look at how many housing developments are funded.

The NFL is the largest socialistic enterprise in the United States.


Good luck to all,

~The Old Bookaroo

Jim in Idaho:

You generalize too much. I am a liberal - a progressive - etc. And I absolutely both understand and believe in the US Constitution. I don't except the twisted, right-wing spun version of it.

Good luck to all,

~The Old Bookaroo

Dave44:

There is no factual connection between my posts and your version of them.

Your position is so weak you can only defend it by making a weak attempt to twist what I write. I didn't "make a case" for anything. I stated objective facts.

"Facism?" That came from you - not me.

Good luck to all,

~The Old Bookaroo

I hate to read into your posts, because you always say they mean nothing anyway. But you do realize what the definition of Fascism is? It kind of looks like you advocate it,,, It really is evident in every pro lucifercare post you make. Urban dictionary because it was there,, but there are many places you can find this topic.

All Industry will be controlled by the state, that means every one will work for the government in the end, that means everyone would be a slave to the government in the end. No more than cattle the elite will feed off of.

Urban Dictionary: fascism
"
1. fascism
The only official definition of Fascism comes from Benito Mussolini, the founder of fascism, in which he outlines three principles of a fascist philosophy.
1."Everything in the state". The Government is supreme and the country is all-encompasing, and all within it must conform to the ruling body, often a dictator.
2."Nothing outside the state". The country must grow and the implied goal of any fascist nation is to rule the world, and have every human submit to the government.
3."Nothing against the state". Any type of questioning the government is not to be tolerated. If you do not see things our way, you are wrong. If you do not agree with the government, you cannot be allowed to live and taint the minds of the rest of the good citizens.
The use of militarism was implied only as a means to accomplish one of the three above principles, mainly to keep the people and rest of the world in line. Fascist countries are known for their harmony and lack of internal strife. There are no conflicting parties or elections in fascist countries.
Nazi Germany was extreme Fascism, better examples of fascist countries were Mussolini's Italy, Iraq, Iran, and many middle eastern countries."
 

Dave44:

You wrote "I hate to read into your posts, because you always say they mean nothing anyway."

Wrong on both counts. You have attempted to twist and spin and mischaracterize what I write from the beginning.

I have pointed out facts. The NFL is a socialistic organization. Strong teams support weak teams - do you not understand "revenue sharing?" The draft is a cartel. The IRS Code has a special non-profit exemption for it. Those facts have nothing to do with whether or not I support it.

Do you believe recognizing the truth comes with an acceptance of whatever philosophy is behind it?

I have never written my posts mean nothing. You confuse me with Red James cash, who doesn't believe everything he posts. Rest assured - I do.

Affordable health care - not just sick care, by the way, but real health care - is not fascist. Or, for that matter, socialist.

UPDATED REPORT: Conservative media push 75-year-old "socialized medicine" smear against health care reform | Research | Media Matters for America

Good luck to all,

~The Old Bookaroo
 

I see your media matters smear.. But remember your false premise that Wilson would have made a great run at national healthcare? Go ahead, use the media matters again, History is not kind to your sources or your opinions on this.
 

Dave44:

More distraction from you.

Good luck to all,

~The Old Bookaroo
 

OB, the NFL is a business, it's not a government. Big difference, if you own a business and want to run it using socialistic practices that is your business, your not forcing it down my throat and I do not have to patronize it if I choose not too.

We will NOT go quitely into the night!
 

Treasure Hunter:

A very successful business, receiving an astonishing amount of help from the Federal government. Why is the tax code written giving the NFL a unique exemption as a non-profit entity?

Borderline socialism to me. And very, very wrong.

Why did Sarah Palin work so hard to bring socialism to Alaska?

Good luck to all,

~The Old Bookaroo
 

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