why ideomotor effect is coined to dowsing...

[angel_09]

The ideomotor effect is the most commonly used explanation and terminology by skeptics to justify the "mysterious energies" by dowsing instruments. it was first used by William Carpenter in 1852 as justification and explanation for the movement of the rod. With the consensus of group of skeptics (mostly psychologist) unable to find the sources of the force that moves the dowsing rod, they coined it to human motor behavior, spiritual and paranormal forces and termed it "mysterious forces" where later on arrived and became ideomotor action.
The question is... was it fully studied, analysed and verified using scientific means where other skeptics using scientific principles to negate it? In the abstract of human motor behavior, a very large body of experimental results have accumulated in the field of operant, or instrumental, conditioning by using different experimental animals to relate its behavior to humans. But the application of the laws generated by such research to human behavior is incompatible, so it was often done by the use of theory, justifying the results in the absence of more elaborative and accepted reasons.
If indeed idoemotor effect will be accepted as it is, then the mind will always be closed to a new horizon....

Angel

 

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[gldhntr]

ideomotor effect is the feeling you get when you are sitting in a rough biker bar, with your back to the door..you hear the door open, at the same time the hair on the back of your neck stands on end....you continue to mind your own business as you should when in these type establishments..a minute later this 6'7'' 300 lb plus gnarley biker with a big @$$ scar across his face and a tatoo that reads in very big letters across the front of his forearm, '' K.K.K. - Member in Good Standing " comes and sits down beside you to partake in a little liquid refreshment to clean the bugs from his teeth...this is when you realize who just entered the bar, and also why your neck hair was trying to leave.....ideomotor effect...........................................gldhntr

 

[ZumbroKid]

Do ya think the irs is watching these claims of finding stuff? That would be all they need. Ones own admission.

 

[jeff of pa]

Do ya think the irs is watching these claims of finding stuff? That would be all they need. Ones own admission.?

That's When you say .
? ? ? ?"I LIED ON EVERY POST".

"I HAVE A DETECTOR, BUT ALL I KEEP FINDING ARE CAN TABS & NAILS"

? ? ? ? ? ?"DON'T WASTE MONEY ON A DETECTOR"

? ? ?"THEY DON'T WORK AS PROMISED"

"The Pics were of coins, I bought & Buried for a couple years so I could Post pics on Forums"

"And the Gold Bars Were Bricks Painted Gold" Realistic Huh ?"
? ? ? ? ?" You want Proof ?, Ask the F.B.I. to Analize the Pictures"

? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?

? ? ? ? ? ? BESIDES :
? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?You ONLY have to pay Taxes if you sell the Item.

_______________________________
? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?NOT

If you Just Happen to Have Gotton Robbed, But Didn't report it because it was Found items
only,

Or If you stuck the coins in a Donation Kettle at the mall.

Or you Gave them away to Homless people, Because you just felt sorry .

Or your Only Collecting, NOT selling

? ? ?am I ? RIGHT ??

 

[gldhntr]

blackmiller, did you prove all this by yourself ? ''The ideomotor effect must be present before any of your dowsing instruments will move. That has been proven many times over. Mysterious energies are "wish" science. You don't want the ideomotor effect to be the reason your dowsing wand moves, so you wish it moves according to, as yet, undiscovered mysterious energies.''......................................
if not please back this claim with tangible evidence.....thanks,,,,,,,,,,,,,,yes free, i think they monitor this site and others, looking for larger recoveries so they can try and get themselves another free lunch or nice 15000.00 a year each, raise for about 100 government officials.........,,,,,,,...gldhntr

 

[ZumbroKid]

This thread could be a hot topic, watch the mysterious forces at work here already.

 

[ZumbroKid]

Jeff Davis, that is a good question! No one ever asked that one before. All the skeptics can put there heads togather on this one, lets see the reply or do you think they will ignore the post?

 

[ZumbroKid]

Is it possible the ideometer effect could cause one to flap at the jaw?

 

[ZumbroKid]

Is it possible the ideometer effect could cause one to flap at the jaw??

Thanks ------- , you helped prove my theory. Others will now validate my theory by countering this!

 

[ZumbroKid]

This is an educational post. We is all here to learn. I myself got a thread deleted from the con dowsing thread just this morning. It seems i have been identifed as a pro dowser. Which is fine by me. But we are allowed to be converted on this subject. The only one who could ever sway my mind in this matter is no longer posting here, Mr. JBLACH would have to return to accomplish that!

 

[ZumbroKid]

Well i was told we can change sides if we publicly anounce it here on the forum. JBlach come back and let me join forces with youm once more. Togather we could rule the threads.

 

[angel_09]

"Mysterious energies are "wish" science..." Thanks for acknowledging this terminology... Mysterious energy-- is the term given by psychologist who can not explain the force that moves the dowsing rod... I've just quote what they have said...

angel

 

[ZumbroKid]

To give something a explanation one can not explain, is rather primitive is it not. This is the way the anciet people explained things they could not find a answer for. All those claims of scientific testing, protocalls and controll measures, and it comes down to this! Just a basic case of jaw flapping over someone else having the results others only dream of.

 

[ZumbroKid]

Well if thats what your psychologist tells you then you must be getting your moneys worth!

 

[gldhntr]

here is one for you blackmiller....since you can spout all your so called scientific evidence concerning dowsing, but yet you are repeatedly unable to supply the names of these '' scientists '' or the whereabouts of any printed material concerning all your '' evidence'', try this......get your dowsing rods, {not the finger you point at the ground with like bugs bunny}, dowsing rods,,,,,now stand in the yard and try your hardest to make both rods move at exactly the same time, point to the exact same thing, release this hold till both rods again point straight ahead, making sure that both rods move in complete unison, make them cross as you walk, and uncross to again point straight ahead, while only using minute muscular movements as you portray all dowsing results to come from....holding rods loosly in hand, not using fingers, just muscular movements of your hand/wrist or what ever it is you claim is responsible........can it be done ? after how much practice ? can it be repeatably done over and over ? how far do you have to move your hands to even get the rods to move ? will it stand up to double blind tests that don't mean a thing to anyone ? whole lot harder than it is for you to get on here and bash good people concerning a subject you sure don't look like to know too much about........i have posted many articles and tests by scientists concerning dowsing and they all seem to have one thing in common.....that is that their results are always in direct disagreement with anything you post.....unless the articles concern people that have been proven to be frauds, or their tests flawed...............can i get an amen brother ?...........gldhntr

 

[ZumbroKid]

We are also still waiting for an answer to this question!
If the ideometer is what makes the dowsing rods move, exactly what is the cause of the dowsing rods stopping while a dowsing is moving them?
All those scientific studies surely addressed this one! You can take a couple of days to post an answer.

 

[ZumbroKid]

We are also still waiting for an answer to this question!
If the ideometer is what makes the dowsing rods move, exactly what is the cause of the dowsing rods stopping while a dowsing is moving them?
All those scientific studies surely addressed this one! You can take a couple of days to post an answer.?

This was answered above.

http://forum.treasurenet.com/index.php/topic,25805.msg174291.html#msg174291

Maybe if you didn't spend so much time changing your avatar, you could keep up better.

I vote for the blonde... please bring her back.? ?

>Karl<

i posted this so very late. Don't you sleep either? I'll put the blond up again sometime?

 

[angel_09]

Its so nice to know that when they don't know how to explain how dowsing works, they will hide to ideomotor effect...
When a metal detector stops beeping, is it also because of ideomotor effect? (don't tell me the battery is flat, it is fully charge....or factory defect, or maybe the psychologist will say, it is only your imagination, or maybe your ears are over sensitive, or maybe they will say, you better have a neuroanalysis, because your hearing sound, then gone... something is wrong. If you will insist to them they tell you, it is ideomotor effect.

Angel

 

[ZumbroKid]

I'm surprised no one has figured out the Blond avatar (step daughter) is free advertising, She is still single!

 

[ZumbroKid]

Yes, still single. Sometimes one only looks at the wrapper and not what is inside. How many will get nice wrapped gifts this xmas. And wish they also recieved the sales recipt to return the gift!