Who thinks the dollars going to crash?

[BillA]

I'll share my fired bullets when they start taxing what I grow on my own property.

suggest reading on how the Soviets collected from the farmers
they killed any resistance, left any survivors with absolutely nothing

 

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[RTR]

do understand that the crash is only a symptom, a step along the way
not the end, the US is very large - a new currency, funny money

Do understand the Roman Empire felt the same

 

[Swaveab]

suggest reading on how the Soviets collected from the farmers
they killed any resistance, left any survivors with absolutely nothing

Are you suggesting that a certain party in power is going socialist? No matter as my statement stands. To be clear, I don't sell produce.

 

[Duckshot]

Can anybody point to the part of the Declaration of Independence that says Men have the right to eat without producing anything?

I don't see it, and it sounds like a clear violation of the right to property. I mean, how much of the fruit of your labor needs to be taken from a man before he is a slave?

Would 50% do it?

 

[jeff of pa]

life liberty and the pursuit of happiness??

“We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.”

 

[Duckshot]

",that to secure these Rights, governments are instituted among Men, deriving their Just power from the consent of the governed."

Think about that. The people have the individual right to arms. It is only by The People's consent that government is armed. We delagated that power to arms to them, as a privilege derived from Our right to be armed.

We should limit them to flintlocks...

 

[Tpmetal]

I've learned that we need very little to survive...Most of it is a mental "game". We own property(my avatar) 2 summers ago I spent almost a whole summer on that land with my wife and Son and pretty much nothing. We had to run home for Dr. appointments for my Son and a funeral. So, we didn't stay as long as planned. our longest stretch was 6 weeks. A tent, tarps, fishing poles, make shift woods shower, Solar panels and batteries mostly for lights and a DVD player since my Son was so little yet. We took hardly anything! washed clothes in the creak and even bathed in it daily when we didn't feel like messing with the water tank for the shower. ......We did it for fun!!! And could have stayed a long long time with no issues. Actually, if it wasn't for trying to provide my Son some kind of normal life, I could live there out of a hut....Wouldn't bother me too much. The mental outlook of the situation if things fell apart would be the key. Same when the dollar falls apart, a lot of possessions wouldn't be as important anymore....Huge Tv's, new cars, etc....for what? Mostly what we do and buy is for our entertainment. I look forward to the challenge if it crumbles.

Much truth to that, drop me off in most places with a knife and ill survive longer than most...add a kid, my parents, and other family to the equation and I'm not so sure. Which is why I have made sure I have a certain amount of things and knowledge that will make life much easier and more comfortable if things go south quickly.

 

[BillA]

Are you suggesting that a certain party in power is going socialist? No matter as my statement stands. To be clear, I don't sell produce.

no, the system at that time was communist
the government would not let the people starve in the cities, so they foraged outside of the city
stripped every farm including seed and every living animal leaving the people to starve
the record of all desperate governments is the same

The Constitution was intended to limit government. It has failed.
How are you going to effect a new constitution? You will be crushed.

 

[Robot]

Here’s how I see it - more dollars needed to purchase an oz of silver is not a rise in value, it’s a loss in purchasing power.

For me it is not the more dollars need to purchase but the buying power from what I have already purchased.

Last month my income rose $1000.00 per day from my little investment..."when" not "if" the US dollar starts to collapse ask me how much per day I will then earn.

Unlike salaries, real estate and vehicles...Food and Precious Metals will continue to rise!

 

[Nitric]

Much truth to that, drop me off in most places with a knife and ill survive longer than most...add a kid, my parents, and other family to the equation and I'm not so sure. Which is why I have made sure I have a certain amount of things and knowledge that will make life much easier and more comfortable if things go south quickly.

That's where I run into troubles with what to teach my Son. For him to make it in "society" I have to teach him one way, but because of my beliefs? I want him to be a little more hardened and cut throat if need be. That's the challenge with me. My wife and I are like chameleons and can adapt or blend in, even separate or even compartmentalize if need be in just about any situation we've experienced. If that makes any sense at all.... I had to learn to be that way through experience and if you try to teach that not sure what damage that may cause to a young child..... Her and I can survive, with him it's tough to figure out what direction to teach and also be functional in society. That may be going off the rails of the thread but I really think it does have a huge part in survival during a crash.We are so ingrained with "it has to be new", "the neighbor has one I need one too", etc.... I get what your saying too about trying to care for others in a crash that would be tough.

 

[fistfulladirt]

For me it is not the more dollars need to purchase but the buying power from what I have already purchased.

Last month my income rose $1000.00 per day from my little investment..."when" not "if" the US dollar starts to collapse ask me how much per day I will then earn.

Unlike salaries, real estate and vehicles...Food and Precious Metals will continue to rise!

Food and metals do not change in value. The dollar does.

 

[newnan man]

You all must realize that if our country would suffer a total collapse and basic necessities were gone things would turn primal instantly. If you have a little piece of land and are raising crops & chickens the starving armed hoards of city dwellers will descend on you and kill you for your eggs. People will have to immediately form armies to protect what they have from the walking dead! Civilization is an extremely thin veneer on this planet.

 

[Duckshot]

Food and metals do not change in value. The dollar does.

Neither does gasoline in relation to silver change much. A silver Washington quarter dollar will buy the same gallon of gas it bought in 1964. But the price of everything is affected by the price of fuel. Gotta run trucks to get the meat to market, so if the price of gas spikes the price of everything goes up.

 

[Duckshot]

You all must realize that if our country would suffer a total collapse and basic necessities were gone things would turn primal instantly. If you have a little piece of land and are raising crops & chickens the starving armed hoards of city dwellers will descend on you and kill you for your eggs. People will gave to immediately form armies to protect what they have from the walking dead! Civilization is an extremely thin veneer on this planet.

What do you mean by that?

The outcome would be dependent on cultural values or lack of morals. If a culture has high enough moral standards, everybody can get along without anybody holding a gun to their heads.

 

[Xraywolf]

You all must realize that if our country would suffer a total collapse and basic necessities were gone things would turn primal instantly. If you have a little piece of land and are raising crops & chickens the starving armed hoards of city dwellers will descend on you and kill you for your eggs. People will gave to immediately form armies to protect what they have from the walking dead! Civilization is an extremely thin veneer on this planet.

Many folks including me prep for a month or 2 of self sufficiency as a matter of routine, habit and common sense.
If things truly went downhill to the point where people were killing other people for food to survive, none of us can predict what we would or would not do [obviously], nor would it be realistic for most to prepare for such a contingency - But anyone can see there are serious problems which might well get worse, and I would advise anyone to prep best as you can to last a couple of months at least without resupply - And of course that includes defense of what you have, we pretty much do that anyways starting with the locks on your doors. Tension can be gauged by the availability and price of ammo, and thats been off the charts for months now, at least around where I live.

What do you mean by that?

The outcome would be dependent on cultural values or lack of morals. If a culture has high enough moral standards, everybody can get along without anybody holding a gun to their heads.

May be true, I think the Japanese provided an example of that with the disastrous tsunami which struck there some years back, ravaged an entire coast affected 10,000,000's of people, 100,000's died ,, And they largely appeared to have went through that without any of the looting and havoc you would see around here.
I think its true, Japanese have strong moral and cultural values, many if not most in the USA and most any western nation don't, the reasons for that are myriad and debatable and plow straight into politics, which we can't go into here. But yeah I'd like to think we'd all band together as a common people with a common country, common goals and common interests ect, and at this point that does not appear to be the case.

 

[BillA]

What do you mean by that?

The outcome would be dependent on cultural values or lack of morals. If a culture has high enough moral standards, everybody can get along without anybody holding a gun to their heads.

huh?
Kanacki described an island in Indonesia, apparently they have no crazies there.
But the US has lots of entitled nuts, who controls them?
And the instant guns are given to one group there is a problem.

 

[Ohiogoldfever]

Cost is simply a reflection of value vs dollars. How many dollars it takes to buy an item. They print more dollars, each dollar in existence is now worth less. People who don’t understand believe they are gaining value when in truth it just takes more dollars to buy the same item.

The ship is sinking and most people think their house is gaining value. Before long it’s going to take 1200.00 to buy a roll of toilet paper.

That’s why we hedge our bets with metals. If an oz of silver costs 27.00 now, and the dollar is devalued to the point that it takes 500 dollars to buy that same oz of silver in a few years then you have the ability to sell for 500 dollars. If you hold the dollars then you still only have 27 dollars.

 

[newnan man]

What do you mean by that?

The outcome would be dependent on cultural values or lack of morals. If a culture has high enough moral standards, everybody can get along without anybody holding a gun to their heads.

Seriously? You think our culture has high moral standards? Look at the riots all last year. The big cities right now are filled with violence and lack of morals is flagrant. If these same drugged out criminal masses are starving food will be the "drug" of choice. An individual no matter how well armed will not stand a chance. Holding hands & singing Kum bye yah won't cut it. Nothing wrong with preparing for the worst while hoping for the best.

 

[Nitric]

What do you mean by that?

The outcome would be dependent on cultural values or lack of morals. If a culture has high enough moral standards, everybody can get along without anybody holding a gun to their heads.

This would depend on the "leaders" of those groups. Look what happens now when someone in power(or media) twists things! I don't believe most people would be able to survive independently and would look for or towards a "leader", "expert", whatever you want to call them. We see this everyday...I feel there is a huge part of the population that can't even think for themselves, grow food, raise animals etc... and would come to take what you have. I agree with Newman man on this. Heck, I can tell you that I would do WHATEVER it takes in a time like that to feed my child. Even if that went against my morals normally(I'm talking very worst case situation and all other avenues exhausted and really don't know for sure what I'd do). "Survival" would bring the worst out of us for sure. I can link news articles of what went on during the beginning of covid, Right here in GA a guy shot or stabbed another guy over the last case of water at the local Sam's club. They were fighting over toilet paper too!!! I saved pics and vids of what was going on in stores just to show my Son when he gets older.

This is a fairly good area too. They say it wasn't from Covid, but I question that since tension and fears may have been high due to covid from all the commotion in the stores. Can you guys tell I'm bored out of my mind? Never mind my nonsense.


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[KEYSHUNTER]

from what ive read tonight,sheep dont do well with fire and barbwire...note to self buy more barbwire for when the sheep stampede if needed.....i like sheep but it would be bad if they overran my place in time of panic.....