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WHO SAID- ' A HOUSE DIVIDED AGAINST ITSELF CANNOT STAND'?

Democrats still united in ObamaCare battle, Republicans in disarray
By Daniel HorowitzPublished October 04, 2013FoxNews.com

As the fight over ObamaCare reaches its apex, conservatives are looking for elected leadership to give voice to their concerns about the future of our country.

Unfortunately, many Republican lawmakers are giving voice to the other side.

While Democrats remain united in their intransigence, these Republicans are busy scoring points for the other team instead of fighting with a united front.

When Democrats proposed the federal takeover of the healthcare sector in 2009, they all remained united behind an uncompromising position and aggressive tactics.

Every Senate Democrat, even those from red states, voted to ram ObamaCare through the Senate using extraordinary parliamentary procedures. They were all willing to walk the plank for the broader goal of creating dependency; even though they knew the majority of their constituents vociferously opposed their proposal.

The GOP has devolved into the little engine that couldn’t, constantly emoting in public “I think I can’t I think I can’t, I know I can’t!”
Fast-forward four years and Democrats are just as united in their obduracy, despite the fact that ObamaCare is even more unpopular and unworkable than ever before.

Every Democrat is committed to fully funding and supporting every aspect of ObamaCare even if it prolongs a government shutdown. Not a single Democrat has spoken out against Senator Harry Reid’s refusal to give an inch, even on some of the provisions of the law that are universally regarded as unworkable.

When Reid moved to table the Republican compromise, which would have merely delayed parts of the law for one year and repeal the pernicious medical device tax, every Democrat voted with him; the Democrats remained united.

Even Senator Joe Manchin and other members from states Obama lost by over 20 points voted to fully uphold the law in the budget, opposing efforts to partially delay the law even for one year even the slightest compromise.

Hence, Democrats are fighting on all cylinders. They are united in their refusal to negotiate or cede an inch of ground.

Contrast the Democrats’ iron-clad unity with the infighting within the Republican Party. Republicans are not only voting to undermine the defund strategy; they are actually giving voice to the other side.

Twenty-five Republicans, led by Senator Mitch McConnell allowed Harry Reid to reinsert funding for ObamaCare into the Continuing Resolution (CR) last week, thereby undermining the leverage of fellow House Republicans.

Moreover, one after another, certain Republicans are undermining the effort to fight ObamaCare and those leading it. Senator John McCain is such an ardent opponent of defunding ObamaCare that Harry Reid had him speak on the floor on behalf of Democrats.

Senator Bob Corker who represents conservative Tennessee rebuked Senator Ted Cruz on the Senate floor after his marathon 21-hour speech against ObamaCare.

At the GOP conference on Wednesday, a group of senators led by Mitch McConnell attacked Cruz for orchestrating this battle.

A party committed to fighting a unified battle would have instead focused their fire on Harry Reid for prioritizing funding for ObamaCare over cancer treatment at the NIH.

Every day, there are more public statements from elected Republicans openly predicting failure. Senator Jeff Flake Flake said aid ObamaCare is “the law of the land” and should not be debated within the confines of the budget bill.

Even as Harry Reid refuses to pass any compromise bill to fund only essential services, Senator John Cornyn, publicly said "any opportunity to defund ObamaCare through the CR [Continuing Resolution] -- if there was such an opportunity, it's now gone."

The GOP has devolved into the little engine that couldn’t, constantly emoting in public “I think I can’t I think I can’t, I know I can’t!” It’s almost as if the establishment Republicans, particularly those in the Senate, are committed to making sure the Democrats win this fight just to prove a point to the conservative base.

On the one hand, we have Democrats, even those representing states deep in enemy territory, willing to hold strong on an unpopular bill.

On the other hand, we have Republicans, even those who represent conservative states, unwilling to fight the law, opting instead to score points for the other team. Worse, many Republicans are working to buttress the leverage and messaging for Democrats.

As Democrats head into battle united with guns blazing, Republicans stagger in with both hands tied and a knife in their backs.


Daniel Horowitz is a contributing editor to RedState.com. He is policy director of the Madison Project.

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Really it isn't so surprising. In a situation like we're in, as a country, the hard thing to do is probably the right thing, but few people have the guts to do the hard thing....including politicians. The easiest thing to do is go along. Keep borrowing, keep promising benefits that we have no money to pay for, keep involving ourselves in wars that aren't our problem. Just keep doing as we've been doing until the whole thing blows up. Nobody that does any critical thinking about it believes we can do this forever without it biting us severely in the a--. So, it's not surprising that the party that supports more and more government, and more and more handputs would be more cohesive than the party that thinks we need to do some serious talking about the issue. Lot's of republicans have been in there so long, they have become pseudo Dems....they are afraid they'll get removed from office if they cause the voters pain...and they may be right. And, they'd rather go along than risk losing their job, perks, etc. What surprises me is that so many Republicans are "standing up". I never thought I'd see the day. It's always more difficult to tell the people the gravy train is slowing down. It's REALLY easy to tell them...no problem, just step up and fill your pockets. But which position is better for the country, in the long run?
Jim
 

Yup, Jesus said that, it's in Matthew Chapter 12 and Abraham Lincoln quoted it much much later in time.
 

TheRingFinder said:
Most Polls taken shows Americans as a whole do not want The so called "affordable care act" You are correct - the Democrats are united against the American people, atleast some Repbulicans stand up for us!!! Thanks God.......and Jesus!!!!!! 62% want the act repealed or changed by Congress - But the Dems wont budge.

New Poll: Only One-Third Of Americans Support Repealing, Defunding Or Delaying Obamacare - Forbes
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You read the polls like the devil read the bible, and it takes a brave man to try to twist those very clear polls in a completely different way.

67% of the people asked wants to make the bill better/let it go through/expand it.
33% don´t want the law.

Shame on you sir!
 

omg...democrats united against the American people....

you do realize you live in a democracy?
republicans stand up for you?

unreal...up is down, red is blue...confuse an conquer...hey lets just kill all the people who don't agree with our provincial belief system.
j
 

It is like buying a house blind without knowing what it costs or what it is going to cost you per month or even the condition of the house and the agent is telling you don't worry, we will figure that out down the road and fix it then....:banghead:

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Fox News Poll: Voters support delaying Obamacare, but oppose defunding it.

Two extraordinary events happened on Tuesday: The opening of insurance exchanges at the center of President Obama’s health care law and a partial government shutdown stemming from disagreement over the federal budget and whether to defund or delay Obamacare.*


While voters oppose defunding the health care law, they say implementation should be delayed, and a majority wants all or part of the law repealed.*

Voters also view the shutdown negatively and clearly think it is a serious problem, yet a majority believes their family won’t be significantly affected by it.

That’s according to a Fox News national poll conducted after the shutdown began.*

The new poll, released Thursday, finds that an overwhelming majority thinks the shutdown is a serious problem, including 58 percent who see it as “very” serious.* And two-thirds think the government closing is “definitely a bad thing.”* That’s more than twice the number who say it “could be a good thing” (67-30 percent).**

A 59-percent majority says their family won’t be “significantly affected” by the shutdown, while a sizable 37-percent minority says they will.*

Meanwhile, a quarter of voters blame “Republican leaders such as John Boehner” (25 percent) for the shutdown and about the same number point the finger at President Obama (24 percent).* Some 17 percent blame “Tea Party Republicans such as Ted Cruz.”* Just 8 percent blame “Democratic leaders such as Harry Reid.”* Another 20 percent think all of them are responsible for the shutdown.

By a 48-39 percent margin, voters say they trust Republicans in Congress more than President Obama when it comes to cutting government spending enough to make a difference in the deficit while at the same time not cutting so much that valuable programs are hurt.

Those who identify with the Tea Party movement are more likely to think the government shutdown is not a serious problem (53 percent) and most say it could be a good thing (71 percent).* Nearly half of Tea Partiers place blame for the shutdown solely on Obama (49 percent).*

President Obama’s overall job rating has improved 5 percentage points over last month:* 45 percent approve now, up from 40 percent in September.* That comes mainly from an increase in approval among his party faithful.* Some 84 percent of Democrats approve of Obama’s performance now, up from a record-low 69 percent last month during the situation with Syria.

The president’s approval for his handling of health care is also up.* In the new poll 45 percent of voters approve, while 38 percent approved in September.

In addition, while about twice as many voters overall have a favorable opinion of Barack Obama as Ted Cruz, the Texas senator has a healthy 60 percent favorable rating among Tea Partiers.* That’s lower than Obama’s 86 percent favorable rating among Democrats, yet it tops Boehner’s 35 percent among Republicans and Reid’s 34 percent among Democrats.

Health Care Law

A 54-percent majority of voters would like to see all or part of the health care law repealed.* That’s down from 58 percent who felt that way in June, and a high of 61 percent in January 2011.* The current 54 percent supporting repeal of at least some of the law matches a low recorded twice before in October 2012 and October 2010.

Most people are happy with their current health care coverage (76 percent).* And by a 52-36 percent margin, they say the pre-Obamacare system would be better for their family than the new law.*

Yet despite a 57-percent majority saying the law “should be delayed for a year until more details are ironed out,” voters oppose defunding the law by 53-41 percent.

Some 39 percent of Democrats favor delaying implementation of Obamacare, along with 55 percent of independents and 80 percent of Republicans.

Last week Sen. Cruz, a supporter of the Tea Party movement, took to the Senate floor to make the case for getting rid of Obamacare.* Voters are more likely to think Cruz’s 21-hour speech did more to hurt (36 percent) rather than help (19 percent) his cause.* Nearly 4 voters in 10 aren’t familiar enough with the speech to offer an opinion.* Among Tea Partiers, 50 percent think Cruz’s speech helped, while 16 percent say it did damage.*

Views split over lawmakers’ attempts to cut off funding for the health care law.* Forty-six percent see it as “an important effort.”* The same number consider it “a waste of time and effort” (46 percent).** Fully 74 percent of Tea Partiers and 59 percent of Republicans call it an important effort, while 61 percent of Democrats view it as a waste of time.*

In the end, 64 percent of voters believe Obamacare will survive these battles and remain the law of the land.* That’s up from 56 percent who felt that way in 2011.*

Poll Pourri

How are things working in the country today?* Almost all voters -- 88 percent -- say “the government is in charge of the people.”* That includes 83 percent of Democrats, 88 percent of independents and 94 percent of Republicans.**

Only 8 percent feel “the people are in charge of the government.”

The Fox News poll is based on landline and cell phone interviews with 952 randomly chosen registered voters nationwide and was conducted under the joint direction of Anderson Robbins Research (D) and Shaw & Company Research (R) from October 1-2, 2013.* The full poll has a margin of sampling error of plus or minus three percentage points.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/201...t-delaying-obamacare-but-oppose-defunding-it/

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pippinwhitepaws said:
omg...democrats united against the American people....

you do realize you live in a democracy?
republicans stand up for you?

unreal...up is down, red is blue...confuse an conquer...hey lets just kill all the people who don't agree with our provincial belief system.
j
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No...we don't live in a democracy...though you Dems would like to make it that way. We live in a Constitutional Republic. It's really unfortunate that most people, like you, don't know the difference.
Jim
 

Jim in Idaho said:
No...we don't live in a democracy...though you Dems would like to make it that way. We live in a Constitutional Republic. It's really unfortunate that most people, like you, don't know the difference.
Jim
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Correct Jim, Dem keep trying to change it to a democracy, but the fact is we are a Constitutional Republic..

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pippinwhitepaws said:
ok...I play your silly game...
where in any foundation document does it declare the united states of America a constitutional republic?

come on right wing nut scholars.
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The Constitution itself which declares that "The United States shall guarantee to every State in this Union a Republican Form of Government" (Article IV, Section 4).


Okay your turn, point out where in Constitution it says democracy.....

HINT....Its not there.



Is the United States a democracy?
The Pledge of Allegiance includes the phrase: "and to the republic for which it stands." Is the United States of America a republic? I always thought it was a democracy? What's the difference between the two?

The United States is, indeed, a republic, not a democracy. Accurately defined, a democracy is a form of government in which the people decide policy matters directly--through town hall meetings or by voting on ballot initiatives and referendums. A republic, on the other hand, is a system in which the people choose representatives who, in turn, make policy decisions on their behalf. The Framers of the Constitution were altogether fearful of pure democracy. Everything they read and studied taught them that pure democracies "have ever been spectacles of turbulence and contention; have ever been found incompatible with personal security or the rights of property; and have in general been as short in their lives as they have been violent in their deaths" (Federalist No. 10).

By popular usage, however, the word "democracy" come to mean a form of government in which the government derives its power from the people and is accountable to them for the use of that power. In this sense the United States might accurately be called a democracy. However, there are examples of "pure democracy" at work in the United States today that would probably trouble the Framers of the Constitution if they were still alive to see them. Many states allow for policy questions to be decided directly by the people by voting on ballot initiatives or referendums. (Initiatives originate with, or are initiated by, the people while referendums originate with, or are referred to the people by, a state's legislative body.) That the Constitution does not provide for national ballot initiatives or referendums is indicative of the Framers' opposition to such mechanisms. They were not confident that the people had the time, wisdom or level-headedness to make complex decisions, such as those that are often presented on ballots on election day.

Writing of the merits of a republican or representative form of government, James Madison observed that one of the most important differences between a democracy and a republic is "the delegation of the government [in a republic] to a small number of citizens elected by the rest." The primary effect of such a scheme, Madison continued, was to:

. . . refine and enlarge the public views by passing them through the medium of a chosen body of citizens whose wisdom may best discern the true interest of their country and whose patriotism and love of justice will be least likely to sacrifice it to temporary or partial considerations. Under such a regulation it may well happen that the public voice, pronounced by the representatives of the people, will be more consonant to the public good than if pronounced by the people themselves, convened for the same purpose (Federalist No. 10).
Later, Madison elaborated on the importance of "refining and enlarging the public views" through a scheme of representation:

There are particular moments in public affairs when the people, stimulated by some irregular passion, or some illicit advantage, or misled by the artful misrepresentations of interested men, may call for measures which they themselves will afterwards be most ready to lament and condemn. In these critical moments, how salutary will be the interference of some temperate and respectable body of citizens, in order to check the misguided career and to suspend the blow meditated by the people against themselves, until reason, justice and truth can regain their authority over the public mind(Federalist No. 63).
In the strictest sense of the word, the system of government established by the Constitution was never intended to be a "democracy." This is evident not only in the wording of the Pledge of Allegiance but in the Constitution itself which declares that "The United States shall guarantee to every State in this Union a Republican Form of Government" (Article IV, Section 4). Moreover, the scheme of representation and the various mechanisms for selecting representatives established by the Constitution were clearly intended to produce a republic, not a democracy.

To the extent that the United States of America has moved away from its republican roots and become more "democratic," it has strayed from the intentions of the Constitution's authors. Whether or not the trend toward more direct democracy would be smiled upon by the Framers depends on the answer to another question. Are the American people today sufficiently better informed and otherwise equipped to be wise and prudent democratic citizens than were American citizens in the late 1700s? By all accounts, the answer to this second question is an



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