When you buy a house near a gun range

The Delafield, Wisconsin, city council unanimously voted this week against reissuing a permit that would allow a gun club to re-open its doors after being closed for nearly three years.
The Hartland Sportsman’s Club was shut down in 2010 after a stray .45-caliber bullet grazed a pregnant woman who was dining at an outdoor patio of a nearby restaurant, the Journal Sentinel reports.
Raluca Buznea, who was 17 weeks pregnant at the time, didn’t even know at first that she had been struck by a bullet.

“I felt a big pain on my left side,” Buznea said following the incident. “Initially, I thought it was a kid with a soccer ball hitting me. I thought that because I was hit a couple of times with a soccer ball and I thought it was the same thing. So I was looking for the ball and the kid and I just realized, I don’t have air. I was really breathless so I stood up and then my colleague said that the bullet fell down.”
Buznea was treated at a local hospital for minor injuries, which included bruising and a scratch. She recovered without any problems and the baby was not harmed.
But the legal issues were just beginning for the range, which had been in operation since 1948. The gun club was already in a heated debate with neighbors and the city council over noise from the range and the incident with Buznea only added fuel to the fire.

After the State Crime Lab determined that the stray bullet had in fact come from the range, the gun club voluntarily closed its doors. The city then revoked the club’s permit to operate.

Although authorities have yet to determine who fired the gun that resulted in the stray bullet, Steve Gibbs, the club’s attorney at the time, believed that it came from a member who was not following the club’s rules and possibly shooting at an unapproved target.
“Based upon the results of the internal investigation, we’ll take appropriate actions to put in safeguards to make sure this never happens again,” Gibbs added.
Following the stray bullet incident, the club addressed numerous safety issues and made modifications in an effort to regain its permit. However, attorney Jeremy Levinson said that neither the city council nor the community were satisfied with the improvements.
“So the target, if I can coin an awkward pun, they kept moving the target,” Levinson said.
While it appears that a majority of the community is against re-opening the range, others, including a local Boy Scout troop argue that the club was an important resource in the community providing the opportunity for training and learning about gun safety.
Levinson also indicated that the club was considering taking legal action against the city.
 

We used to have a clothesline outside, but someone who didn't even live in the neighborhood came and made us take it down because it "lowered the property value", even though our house isn't even visible from the road, nor was the clothesline behind the house. He threatened to sue us for whatever, ( My parents wouldn't tell me,) so we took it down... This was 10 years ago, and maryland's govt. is worse now than it was back then, so if someone wants to sue another, it will most llikely be successful.
 

We used to have a clothesline outside, but someone who didn't even live in the neighborhood came and made us take it down because it "lowered the property value", even though our house isn't even visible from the road, nor was the clothesline behind the house. He threatened to sue us for whatever, ( My parents wouldn't tell me,) so we took it down... This was 10 years ago, and maryland's govt. is worse now than it was back then, so if someone wants to sue another, it will most llikely be successful.

Then why can't we sue politicians for strupiddy?
 

Old Bookaroo you're ignoring my direct questions about why you think old news about things that happened in the past have any bearing on what goes on now. You obviously see what I'm typing since you are constantly reporting me to the mods for picking on you. How about you stop hiding and come out and answer the question ? I've pretty much had it with these grade school games you and your cronies are playing, baiting people and purposely antagonizing them with off the wall stuff that has no basis in reality and then crying like babies to the mods. Be a man instead of a child... If calling a spade a spade gets me a time out then so be it. I'm DONE playing with children. Meanwhile you call other members names, call them a liar, and get a free pass.. YOU sir, should be banned and there are many of us who feel that way. Note to the mods. I have not insulted this man or done anything that is against the rules. I am simply completely fed up with his childish tactics. This is an adult forum and he is acting like a spoiled child running to mommy every time someone offends him while being one of the most offensive member on the site himself. Do what you will. I am at my breaking point with this. This guy jumps from thread to thread all day long posting silly little one liner snippy comments meant to do nothing other than create drama and start arguments and then dissapears when questioned on it or feigns innocence. It's truly sickening. Enough is enough.
 

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Should you be able to cause enough friction to have it closed, Even if the range has been there for 50 years? That's just what happened here.

"Should you be able to cause enough friction"? Or do you mean cause enough damage?

That lead off statement is quite a ways from the actual story. It helps to start off a discussion with an accurate statement of the situation.

I just happen to be familiar with Delafield. The area 50 years ago is a long way from the area today.

Here's a Google Earth view of the area today. Lots of commercial businesses and million dollar estates. End of story, as anyone can see. Click on the picture to see it better.

Delafield Gun Club.webp
 

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Thank you for the additional information. I poked around the Internets a bit, looking at gun ranges that have closed in the US.

There appear to be three main causes: (1.) The range is operating illegally - either without a permit or the use is not permitted in the zoning; (2.) Too much noise; (3.) A stray bullet or bullets. #3 is a toughie for those who want to keep the range(s) going.

Good luck to all,

~ The Old Bookaroo
 

"Should you be able to cause enough friction"? Or do you mean cause enough damage?

That lead off statement is quite a ways from the actual story. It helps to start off a discussion with an accurate statement of the situation.

I just happen to be familiar with Delafield. The area 50 years ago is a long way from the area today.

Here's a Google Earth view of the area today. Lots of commercial businesses and million dollar estates. End of story, as anyone can see. Click on the picture to see it better.

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So all the crap Bookie posted on and on and on about lead was just a deflection from the real issue. What a surprise. Anyone besides me seeing a pattern here ??
 

cazisme:

My error - it's asbestos, not arsenic. I wrote that post from memory - sometimes memory serves, sometimes it double faults.

Good luck to all,

~ The Old Bookaroo
 

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Thank you for the additional information. I poked around the Internets a bit, looking at gun ranges that have closed in the US.

There appear to be three main causes: (1.) The range is operating illegally - either without a permit or the use is not permitted in the zoning; (2.) Too much noise; (3.) A stray bullet or bullets. #3 is a toughie for those who want to keep the range(s) going.

Good luck to all,

~ The Old Bookaroo
Keep posting nonsense like the whole "lead" controversy you totally fabricated out of thin air and I will keep calling you on it.. Politely and within the rules of course.. Have a day.. :thumbsup:
 

Keep posting nonsense like the whole "lead" controversy you totally fabricated out of thin air and I will keep calling you on it.. Politely and within the rules of course.. Have a day.. :thumbsup:

He didn't fabricate the dangers of lead. It is dangerous.

Lead poisoning - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

"No safe threshold for lead exposure has been discovered—that is, there is no known amount of lead that is too small to cause the body harm."


At our club we use active air filters and clean the stops at intervals.

I didn't think anyone could assert that lead isn't a threat to human health.
 

He didn't fabricate the dangers of lead. It is dangerous.

Lead poisoning - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

"No safe threshold for lead exposure has been discovered—that is, there is no known amount of lead that is too small to cause the body harm."


At our club we use active air filters and clean the stops at intervals.

I didn't think anyone could assert that lead isn't a threat to human health.
I managed an auto salvage yard for 6 years. One of the first 10 yards in the State of NH that was certified as a "Green Yard" by the NH EPA in fact. I'm also a member of the National Automotive Recyclers Association. http://www.a-r-a.org/ I know all about lead and every other hazardous material you would find in a car. That makes me pretty well informed when someone is clearly blowing smoke.. It has nothing to do with this thread as he finally admitted. Interestingly the most hazardous thing in a modern car is something you'd never think of. It's the little Mercury "pill" in the under the hood light that makes the light come on when you open the hood. One of those can contaminate about a million gallons of ground water. Which also has nothing to do with this thread... As you know, modern licensed gun ranges are required to have a lead containment policy in place. Where the problem comes into play is the old school habits of just shooting into the banks of a gravel pit and that sort of thing. That also has nothing whatsoever to do with what this thread is about.
 

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How much lead is naturally occuring in the ground already, and then previous wars and other uses,, the stuff is everywhere! It is in old potable water plumbing and paints, thrown away in dumps all over the world! still my grandparents live to their 90s. Most of us here have touched or absorbed alot of it, and will still live to a ripe old age.

The unsafe limits of most things the EPA regulates are a bit misleading to say the least. Much of it looks like a money confiscation scheme.
As a disclaimer, don't swallow it in pieces if you can help it,, I imagine it would be unsafe then.
 

The only thing worse than a NIMBY (not in my back yard) is the soccer moms who think the world revolves around them and their kids. One mommy wanted to ban smoking in cars DRIVING by the soccer field because the smoke might come out the windows and touch the precious nose her kid. That didn't fly. Im sure she wants to be heard and is thinking of something else to bother others about.
 

I managed an auto salvage yard for 6 years. One of the first 10 yards in the State of NH that was certified as a "Green Yard" by the NH EPA in fact. I'm also a member of the National Automotive Recyclers Association. Automotive Recyclers Association ARA | ECAR, Green Recycled Parts I know all about lead and every other hazardous material you would find in a car. That makes me pretty well informed when someone is clearly blowing smoke.. It has nothing to do with this thread as he finally admitted. Interestingly the most hazardous thing in a modern car is something you'd never think of. It's the little Mercury "pill" in the under the hood light that makes the light come on when you open the hood. One of those can contaminate about a million gallons of ground water. Which also has nothing to do with this thread... As you know, modern licensed gun ranges are required to have a lead containment policy in place. Where the problem comes into play is the old school habits of just shooting into the banks of a gravel pit and that sort of thing. That also has nothing whatsoever to do with what this thread is about.

I know about the mercury thing too.

Well, I'll be the first to admit that when we were kids, no one told us a thing about it - we all rolled it around in our hands in chemistry class. Or worse.

As for lead - we all used to hold 22 shells in our mouths because our hands were busy shooting frogs. Not to mention melting lead for bullets and diving weights without adequate ventilation.

Maybe that's why am like I am........... ?? :tongue3:
 

I know about the mercury thing too.

Well, I'll be the first to admit that when we were kids, no one told us a thing about it - we all rolled it around in our hands in chemistry class. Or worse.

As for lead - we all used to hold 22 shells in our mouths because our hands were busy shooting frogs. Not to mention melting lead for bullets and diving weights without adequate ventilation.

Maybe that's why am like I am........... ?? :tongue3:
lol.. Yeah with all the stuff the Government says is hazardous these days it's a wonder we lived past age 12. I think some of these guys on here rode their bikes a little too close to the back of the pesticide truck when they were kids... PS.. I think you can get 20 years in Federal prison now for shooting frogs.
 

What happened to this mercury? About 15 million pounds of poisonous mercury were used to extract gold and silver from the ore. Today, the Comstock mines are contaminated with levels of mercury 26 times higher than the federal standard. Why are all residents of Jerome not all dead?
 

lol.. Yeah with all the stuff the Government says is hazardous these days it's a wonder we lived past age 12. I think some of these guys on here rode their bikes a little too close to the back of the pesticide truck when they were kids... PS.. I think you can get 20 years in Federal prison now for shooting frogs.

Hah! Because of the SOL, they are SOL!
 

What happened to this mercury? About 15 million pounds of poisonous mercury were used to extract gold and silver from the ore. Today, the Comstock mines are contaminated with levels of mercury 26 times higher than the federal standard. Why are all residents of Jerome not all dead?

they are...new people moved in...that's why Jerome is called a ghost town.
 

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I know about the mercury thing too.

Well, I'll be the first to admit that when we were kids, no one told us a thing about it - we all rolled it around in our hands in chemistry class. Or worse.

As for lead - we all used to hold 22 shells in our mouths because our hands were busy shooting frogs. Not to mention melting lead for bullets and diving weights without adequate ventilation.

Maybe that's why am like I am........... ?? :tongue3:

I don't know,how old are you?
 

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