When you buy a house near a gun range

[onfire]

Should you be able to cause enough friction to have it closed, Even if the range has been there for 50 years? That's just what happened here.

 

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[worldtalker]

Should you be able to cause enough friction to have it closed, Even if the range has been there for 50 years? That's just what happened here.

Just don't MD there,50 years is a LOT of lead dude!

 

[G.I.B.]

Depends on how much money you have.

There are people that move next to a country airport and then want the planes banned.

If they have enough money, the range will get closed, and the airport closed.

Rich people from up north moved to Naples Fl and actually got the city to make a law prohibiting boats from anchoring in front of their homes. (Later fought in court and thrown out)

More rich folks from up north moved to a back woods country Florida lake (in Polk County) and got a ban on airboats that had been running there for 50 years.

It's all about how much money you got.

 

[Gold Maven]

That's BS.

A farmer friend sold a few acres to a Dr. for a house. He didn't really want to, but the man kept bugging him, and he could use the extra money so he sold it. The piece was near the Farmer's corn drier, which makes some noise a few weeks out of the year.

Long story short, court order to stop drying corn......nice thank you for the land.

 

[worldtalker]

Years back they closed the Connecticut Valley Dragway,a few folks with the $$$$$ made it so,

them AA Fuelers made a racket now!!!!!!!!!!!!! Still,it had been there before them folks,oh ya,

then there was the Pig Farmer I knew well,was in business 35 years,well,some city slicker

started *****ing about the stink,END OF STORY! Let's see if they make it in what's to come!

 

[Old Bookaroo]

onfire:

I wonder how much lead is in the ground around there? Would you drink water from a nearby well?

Good luck to all,

~ The Old Bookaroo

 

[worldtalker]

onfire:

I wonder how much lead is in the ground around there? Would you drink water from a nearby well?

Good luck to all,

~ The Old Bookaroo

Get yourself a GOOD water filter!!!!!

 

[Old Bookaroo]

onfire:

In which Wisconsin city did this happen?

Good luck to all,

~ The Old Bookaroo

 

[austin]

They ain't out there shooting at midnight are they? Tell the gun club people the gov't is coming for their guns, but the house owner will store them in his soon to be built back yard cellar for $100 a month and guarantee they'll never be found. Make a little on a crappy situation...

 

[onfire]

OB Don't know if you've ever been to a range but the burms are made of sand reclaim has been done every several years. The big one shoots over lake Michigan and thats were we get our water from.
I may be wrong but years ago toothpaste tubes were made of lead or were they?

 

[Bum Luck]

Should you be able to cause enough friction to have it closed, Even if the range has been there for 50 years? That's just what happened here.

Well, it shouldn't happen - but -

When you sell off land to others, they then have a stake in how things go locally. They DO get to vote, you know. Not only that, as others have said, they get to influence politicians in the well-known process called capitalism. Money always talks, especially when it finds its way to those politicians.

Here's another fact: As people continue to move into a region, the land use priorities change. I learned that in engineering school and have seen it play out. More population density, less freedom, and more rules. That's the difference between Wyoming and Massachusetts. Times change, is another way to say it.

There's no easy answer, but smart shooting clubs have addressed the problem in the variety of ways they need to. Local land use planning, making sure there's enough local support for the range, range improvement programs (berms, tree belts, etc,), neighbor appreciation days, ejecting problem members - the list goes on. Most of this is covered under "Responsibility"; no freedom without it as I've said many times.

 

[NHBandit]

OB Don't know if you've ever been to a range but the burms are made of sand reclaim has been done every several years. The big one shoots over lake Michigan and thats were we get our water from.
I may be wrong but years ago toothpaste tubes were made of lead or were they?

OB is pretty much completely clueless when it comes to actual facts and just takes a dump on every thread involving shooting sports. Just ignore him and he will go away. To get back on topic I thin the problem is liberal judges that lack common sense. Not every place is like that. I used to manage an auto salvage yard in central NH that also owned a couple of other yards. One of them had been in business for 50 years but was on the outskirts of a resort town (Laconia).. A filthy rich millionaire bought a large plot of land across the street to develop into high dollar condos and immediately started filing suits to get the salvage yard shut down. Luckily it went before an old school judge who had a bit of common sense and he told the guys high priced Boston lawyers simply that their client should have thought twice before buying property across the street from a salvage yard. This happened in the early 80s. The land across from the yard is still vacant...

 

[Unclebuck257]

25 years ago, this exact same thing happened in a Texas city. The gunsmith and his small gun range ( used only by him to test out his handmade weapons for customers and for customers to try out possible new purchases) had been there for a number of years. The range was very small and had only one shooting lane with a dirt backstop about 20 feet high. Homes were built on vacant land adjacent to this gunsmith's property and then the new home owners started complaining about the dangers of shooting so close to their homes. They sued the gunsmith and he retaliated and countersued the residents of the new homes. The gunsmith won his case and the only addition he made to his range was to put a sheet of solid lead directly behind where the targets were placed to prevent any possibility of a ricochet. Of course, that was Texas and it was a number of years ago.

 

[Old Bookaroo]

onfire:

In the southern part of San Francisco is a gun range (Lake Merced) and the ground is full of lead.

Chicago at one time dumped its sewage into Lake Michigan. And took its drinking water from Lake Michigan.

Good luck to all,

~ The Old Bookaroo

 

[Bum Luck]

Chicago at one time dumped its sewage into Lake Michigan. And took its drinking water from Lake Michigan......

No surprise there - so does Milwaukee; in fact, Milwaukee still does when it rains. (it pours!)

 

[NHBandit]

onfire:

In the southern part of San Francisco is a gun range (Lake Merced) and the ground is full of lead.

Chicago at one time dumped its sewage into Lake Michigan. And took its drinking water from Lake Michigan.

Good luck to all,

~ The Old Bookaroo

Man so what ? Seriously ? When I was a kid the town used to dump motor oil on the dirt roads to keep the dust down and there were trucks that went around spraying toxic chemicals to kill mosquitoes. Modern gun ranges have bullets traps that catch the lead or they have berms that are regularly cleaned as someone already posted. Of course you completely ignored that because it dosn't back up your argument. Times change. People realize that the old way is bad and they adapt. With all due respect you are making excuses and using outdated information to back it up because you are anti gun. Disagreements are great but back up your position with actual facts please. I have been told I'm picking on you. Maybe if you would stop fabricating your own "facts" people would stop challenging you.

 

[Old Bookaroo]

onfire:

The first tin cans for food were soldered with lead. There was a 19th Century expedition to the Arctic where the explorers basically went crazy. Abandoned piles of food but took music instruments after their vessel was crushed in the ice. There is a theory they lost their minds due to the lead in their food.

To repeat my question - what city was the gun range in that was closed? I believe you said it was in Wisconsin?

Good luck to all,

~ The Old Bookaroo

 

[onfire]

onfire:

The first tin cans for food were soldered with lead. There was a 19th Century expedition to the Arctic where the explorers basically went crazy. Abandoned piles of food but took music instruments after their vessel was crushed in the ice. There is a theory they lost their minds due to the lead in their food.

To repeat my question - what city was the gun range in that was closed? I believe you said it was in Wisconsin?

Good luck to all,

~ The Old Bookaroo

Theory? Maybe they didn't take the food because it was frozen solid? Hypothermia plays tricks on your brain (Agree?)
If the lead on the cans was the problem why did we not lose people by the thousands?
If your theory on lead bullets leach into the water supply why are all the people that live in leadville Wis. not crazy? Or Spring green Wis. Or anywhere lead is mined?
If true all the guys that worked on ships, that sand blasted or scraped old RED LEAD paint should all be a little nut's (Agree?)
Almost all the water lines inside homes built before 1950 were solid lead your theory does not hold water.

 

[Old Bookaroo]

onfire:

Food has acid not present in water. As for lead mines, a friend of mine who spent a lifetime prospecting and mining was diagnosed with a severe brain disease. Doctors told him it was probably from his service in Viet Nam. They were running the final tests to quality him for major brain surgery when they concluded he had lead poisoning. Happily, they didn't operate, they began the course of treatments, and he is much better. Cause? Exposure to lead during mining operations.

Natural lead can be hazardous to health - just like natural arsenic. Look at the homes between Sacramento and the Gold Country.

We're a long way from a gun range you say was closed somewhere in Wisconsin for some reason.

http://sanfrancisco.cbslocal.com/20...-toxic-waste-problem-at-lake-merced-gun-club/

Good luck to all,

~ The Old Bookaroo

2.0: I hadn't read up on this in some time. Apparently the lead poisoning didn't come from the tin cans - rather from the water systems installed on the two expedition ships.

http://www.hakluyt.com/PDF/Battersby_Franklin.pdf

 

[cazisme]

That's not arsenic thats all the sewage the sewage treatment plants pump back into the Sacramento river at Freeport it only kills everything in the river for a few miles. Hey maybe we shoud outlaw **** and piss its more dangerous than lead and contains lots of hormones from birth control pills, radiation from chemo drugs,and antidepressants proscribed to lots of people. No wonder there are no Salmon in the rivers anymore.