When/Why Your Machine IS Costing You Targets

bigscoop

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Older blue Excal with full mods, Equinox 800.
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All Treasure Hunting
While metal detectors have come a long way they'll never be able to control the ever-changing elements and conditions. Even when we have our machines finely tuned we have no control over the shape, size, conductivity, density, or the position of those targets. In our hands we have a tool that is designed to consistently perform, yet in the ground we have a wide assortment of frequently inconsistent targets and conditions.

Coins are perhaps the most consistent targets we can pursue because each denomination is consistent in size and its general makeup. Yet if we angle this target in the ground, perhaps even stand it on end, or change its depth, or any combination of these, then we can create a lot of inconsistent returns which can result in vastly different target ID information. And targets such as jewelry where there is little consistency at all, well, even gold and silver jewelry can show up just about anywhere on the non-ferrous scale.

I like my Equinox 800 but I'm also painfully aware that all of that notching out "IS" costing me some good targets. But at my age and considering some of the locations that I detect, well, sometimes you just have to live with whatever the situation allows.
Given all of the above let's examine the penny range on our machines. Yesterday I passed over at least 50 targets in the penny range, this same range also being home to a wide variety of gold and silver jewelry items as pennies will frequently appear in the 18 to 25 range on my Equinox. This same thing can be said of the nickel range, or that 12-13 range on my Equinox which I don't have notched out but use my own discretion on which ones I choose to dig. Twenty years ago I would have dug all of these targets and no doubt I would have recovered more good targets because I did. But today's advanced machines just make it too easy to avoid all of the pull-tabs, bottle caps, etc., and so I/we just avoid digging them.

Yesterday I stood over a target that was a solid 12 on my machine until I moved 90 degrees of the target and then it started to cut in and out on me. The reason it was cutting in and out is because I had 11 & 14 notched out and once I changed my sweep angle the target wanted to start bouncing into that 11 and 14 range and so I didn't dig it. Most likely it was one of those square pull-tabs, maybe broken in half, bent, or perhaps it was sitting in the ground at a sharp angle. On the other hand, however, it could have just as easily been a gold ring sitting in the ground at an odd angle. Whatever the case I chose to avoid digging it even though it never dipped into a negative return when I switched to all metal and it had that classic double beep so frequently associated with rings. Did I miss a good target? Probably not, but perhaps, maybe so. In any event twenty years ago I would have dug that target.

Confidence is important but today's machines can easily evoke too much confidence and that sense of confidence can easily cost us a lot of good targets when we start taking the advanced performance of these machines for granted. Had I been in the water with my long-handled scoop I would have dug all of the above targets because it's so much simpler and easier to do, having learned the hard way long ago that even today's machines can't produce consistent performance and target ID on inconsistent targets. Just isn't going to happen because it can't. Trust? Perhaps the biggest mistake we often make is placing too much trust in what our advanced machines are telling us.

While we may see these new machines as perfect tools the target signatures of the items we pursue are often far from perfect and this is where the process should always be suspect, because it is. So even if your machine is accurate 70% of the time, which would be really good, that still leaves 30% room for error in the classifying of targets and that missed 30% can really start to add up. I know I passed on some good targets yesterday, no doubt about it. Just how good?
 

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With a good pinpointer you can totally determine target shape depending on depth and size, a nail at two inches is elongated, you can literally trace it's length in the soil by paying heed to the strength of the response as you move the tip back and forth. As I said, it truly is a different game especially at smaller scales. If you haven't you might try experimenting with it some time, it's a different experience
I'm glad you have success with this method, but there is absolutely no way I could search the typical areas I search with a pinpointer. It has so many disadvantages, it just would not be practical. It doesn't cover enough area, it doesn't go deep enough, and it can't give me any idea of what the target might be. In areas infested with nails or pull tabs or whatever, that would make me lose interest extremely quickly.

Also, tracing the target shape only works if the target is in the right orientation -- that two inch nail will look like a lot smaller standing on end, slanted, or bent. Yes, it may confuse my detector as well, but at least I'd know it was iron.
 

I'm glad you have success with this method, but there is absolutely no way I could search the typical areas I search with a pinpointer. It has so many disadvantages, it just would not be practical. It doesn't cover enough area, it doesn't go deep enough, and it can't give me any idea of what the target might be. In areas infested with nails or pull tabs or whatever, that would make me lose interest extremely quickly.

Also, tracing the target shape only works if the target is in the right orientation -- that two inch nail will look like a lot smaller standing on end, slanted, or bent. Yes, it may confuse my detector as well, but at least I'd know it was iron.
Right, typically I find nails and the like laying horizontally or at least to a great degree, in fact, the vast bulk of elongated and or flat objects I find are horizontal 95% of the time but it's no matter, we got down a rabbit hole there. Really my original point had more to do with the bias I have encountered using my larger machine, the VDI function is great but it's done little to improve the quality of my finds shy of knowing it's a coin and even then it might be something else all together just made of similar materials. The bias even produces a low grade emotional response: dammit it's more iron. I think for me, in general, I like the mystery and the complete lack of bias with regards to target composition. What would probably make me happy would be to lay my hands on a good non motion detector with decent depth and ideally no VDI. I don't know if such is still in production but it would be cool. I like the whole: "you're getting hotter, hotter DING DING DING" of non motion detectors. I need to experiment with my pinpoint function on my large coil, it's non motion, gets good depth and is precise. For me that surprise really helps make it into a fun game but then that's just a personal preference
 

I've never before heard of using a pinpointer as a main detector. It must be very hard on the knees and body.
With age, it's become difficult for me to get down and up, so I often try to ID an item I've dug by spreading the soil around with my long-handled shovel and working the detector over it. Sometimes I can even retrieve it by sliding it on the shovel. If I can't find it that way, I get down with the pinpointer. And stay down - no, just kidding, but getting up is a lot harder than it used to be.
I've been detecting for 25 years and have used the same simple beep machine for the last 15 years or so of that time. I haven't gotten one of the more complicated detectors. I know what my machine tries to tell me quite well. I've found lots with it. However, I admit most of my sites are old, isolated and do not have much modern trash.
When I go to one of my sites I sometimes find holes dug by others. But many iron items are still there undug, suggesting that they knew the objects were iron and left them. I've found a few copper coins nestled against an iron target that a more complicated machine told the operator was just iron. Not often, but occasionally. I've also retrieved some neat, old blacksmith-made axes and articles left by others.
I like simplicity, light weight and familiarity in a machine. I can enjoy the experience of being outdoors and detecting that way.
 

I'm guilty of using the pinpointer in a manner that may not be great. If my detector has given me a target I think is good then I put the pinpointer to ground first and check for depth. Since I have one that includes a ferrous detection if I get the ferrous sound of doom with pinpointer I'm apt to leave it in the ground. This may be costing me targets but if the target was questionable anyway from the detector that little pinpointer just saved me from digging it. Can't say I do that all the time but on really shallow targets I will. Depends on the place though and duration of the hunt.
The newer pointers are nice if they have that ferrous ID tone on them. It is like a second opinion on a target.
 

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