🔎 UNIDENTIFIED What is this copper?

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I have been going thru a few bags of finds from our old farm and came across a few items I am curious about, perhaps someone has some ideas.

First up is this heavy copper item. The patina is absolutely amazing, a heavy and almost perfect apple green. This has been in the ground for a long time.

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You can see that the edges have been hammered

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Broken at both ends, the breaks do not match, and I do not see that this ring has been bent. To my eye, this is exactly the shape in which it was made, I don't think it has been bent or twisted in the ground.
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At first we thought it might be a broken reigns guide but the metal is far too good. There is no pitting or degradation, it is very heavy and very very smooth. It has been hammered into shape. It is a really nice, tactile object, whatever it is. There has been natives in the area for centuries.

Any ideas?

Next is this nice buckle. This site dates to the 1780's, but this feels later. There have been a lot of Naval & military finds on this property, mainly from the War of 1812 period, and I believe the militia practiced here up until the 1860's. A number of finds date to the mid 18th century or earlier. Prior to the 1780's the British Navy used the Tudor rose as an emblem and I am wondering if this could possibly be a buckle from that era. I very much doubt it, but thought I would ask the question. Does anybody have any info on Tudor Rose Buckles?

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One the right below is a mid 18th century British Military blow hole button, you can just see the crown outline in the center. I would think this dates to mid to later George II era, pre 1760's from what I have read. What we are wondering about is the silver item. I say blow hole button, my son say little bell or perhaps acorn button. The mark appears to be an M, the closest I saw for an M in that shape was for Edinburgh 1716. That would fit, I think, for a blow hole and there are lots of Scottish finds about. Any thoughts one this one?

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One of the more interesting nails that I have found. This was not a door nail, and the end has been flattened. And I don't think that it would work well as a pipe tamper. Mystery to me.

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This is also a mystery to me. The script is old. How I wish I knew what it was from. It appears that it would have been conical, whatever it wrapped.
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I'd be interested to hear your thoughts.
 

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I would agree that the silver item looks like an early button. I think that nail must have been fashioned into hook and driven into a wall for hanging something. And you are right about that tag with the script. It's very old, definitely 18th century. It's a shame there is not more of it there. This might be a wild conjecture, but with the "&" being there, it indicates to me that those two words could be names (potentially the names of joint business partners in a company?). In any event those are some really great finds!
 

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I think the broken ring is a reins guide with the stem part broken out. I have a complete one which looks very much like yours, including the patina of the brass.
You have a very nice old site!
I agree. It certainly looks like a rein guide section. Similar to bottom-left in photo.
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I agree. It certainly looks like a rein guide section. Similar to bottom-left in photo.View attachment 2171460

Thank you for you input and this great reference. I have found a number of the express hooks as well and knew they were rein guides of some sort but until now did not know the term or type.

Our first thought on the brass band was a rein guide, so I guess that's what we'll call it. Most that I have found in the past were of lesser quality, so that's what had me stumped.

Here is my favorite reins guide though, a simple iron loop but with what was a very nice 1832 Nova Scotia halfpenny as a washer:

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Thank you for you input and this great reference. I have found a number of the express hooks as well and knew they were rein guides of some sort but until now did not know the term or type.

Our first thought on the brass band was a rein guide, so I guess that's what we'll call it. Most that I have found in the past were of lesser quality, so that's what had me stumped.

Here is my favorite reins guide though, a simple iron loop but with what was a very nice 1832 Nova Scotia halfpenny as a washer:

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That is such a cool recovery.
Liking it 👌
 

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Thank you for you input and this great reference. I have found a number of the express hooks as well and knew they were rein guides of some sort but until now did not know the term or type.

Our first thought on the brass band was a rein guide, so I guess that's what we'll call it. Most that I have found in the past were of lesser quality, so that's what had me stumped.

Here is my favorite reins guide though, a simple iron loop but with what was a very nice 1832 Nova Scotia halfpenny as a washer:

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Okay I'm horse stuff/hardware stupid or ignorant (Pick your Adjective), with that out of the way. I'm confused as to how the penny was installed. I've looked at the picture for 30 minutes and I'm perplexed.

Does or should I say did the lower (Base) unscrew from the upper part (Ring) originally?

Somebody help educate this idiot here........
 

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I believe you’re correct. The eyelet had a male thread that went through the coin, then threaded into a female threaded base.
The flaring of the hole around the iron us really pronounced.
It's like it was punched through the copper (like what a bullet would do)
Though it's probably just from the years of wearing back and forth.
It's 1 really cool recovery.

We can dig 100s of tokens and LCs and they are all very welcomed.

But digging a one of something that has been repurposed is top shelf in my books.
 

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The flaring of the hole around the iron us really pronounced.
It's like it was punched through the copper (like what a bullet would do)
Though it's probably just from the years of wearing back and forth.
It's 1 really cool recovery.

We can dig 100s of tokens and LCs and they are all very welcomed.

But digging a one of something that has been repurposed is top shelf in my books.
I agree. It is interesting on how the coin was pierced, it does look like it was shot, but I suspect the got a really heavy punch and a heavy maul.
 

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