What Is A Hypothisis, a Theory, and an Idea?

[bigscoop]

If you say so...

Not me saying so, but rather I'm just pointing out the current and past history of this fact. Not so much of a hint of provenance to any of it has ever been discovered and yet many still believe, even in light of all the contrary fact that has been discovered. So this current and past factual history stands pretty large on its own merit.

 

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[Rebel - KGC]

YOUR opinion...

 

[bigscoop]

YOUR opinion...

No Reb, that's fact. Unless, of course, you have said provenance to the contrary..... I can wait......been over 132 years and nobody has come up with it yet.

 

[Rebel - KGC]

Yes, you can...

 

[ECS]

...wait as more endlessly come forth with claims of cipher solutions that never get beyond the claim and another round of neverending hypothesis, theory, and ideas presented in place of fact with NO final resolution.

 

[Rebel - KGC]

...wait as more endlessly come forth with claims of cipher solutions that never get beyond the claim and another round of neverending hypothesis, theory, and ideas presented in place of fact with NO final resolution.

NEVER-ENDING story...

 

[franklin]

The story has ended for me. It can end for you. I still have a couple locations where there may be another treasure other than the BT, I would like to dig with landowners permission. Those bent knee trees still has my curiosity. I know they are not natural.

 

[ECS]

... Provenance doesn't come after the fact, it comes before. Provenance isn't something you can manufacture.

It is this complete lack of provenance that generates all the alternative theories of the "true story behind the Beale story" fabrications.

 

[franklin]

WOW Just WOW

 

[ECS]

... it has become obvious that some are confused when attempting to explain their hypothesis, theories, ideas, and why they are such and not actual fact. I think this confusion is what has led to a lot of premature certain claims of remedy and solve...

Some of this confusion also arises from these "after BEALE PAPERS" books by Rose, Ellis, and others, that masquerade as "fact" and then this pseudoprovenance is referenced as evidence for the Beale perilous adventure treasure tale of the dime novel job print pamphlet.

 

[Rebel - KGC]

Rose...?

 

[ECS]

Emma Jean H Rose author of the fictional adventure novel, "MYSTERY BENREATH THE BANEBERRY BUSH: BASED ON THE THOMAS JEFFERSON BEALE CIPHERS"
While acknowledged as a fiction novel based on pieced together "facts", some have search for the Beale treasure in Pennsylvania using this book as a guide.
NOTE: Ward's original 1885 BEALE PAPERS only had the initial "J" as a middle name, "Jefferson" was first mentioned in the HART PAPERS, and since accepted as being "fact".

 

[Eldo]

I find it strange that the idea of legitimacy is being argued about here in the title.....

Not like anyone asked me it's just funny that each of you have soooooo many different posts that show there is an argument on your side from a historical point that your person of interest is the right Beale

No research on the ground like JustinTime, no mines found or codes broken related to a map and measurements to a location

Just hours of discussion filling the board.....

Cant you guys stay focused on one post?

Geez.....its like looking for some new info on the Beale has become a sales pitch for some of you.....that's not what searching for a treasure is.....

 

[bigscoop]

I find it strange that the idea of legitimacy is being argued about here in the title.....

Not like anyone asked me it's just funny that each of you have soooooo many different posts that show there is an argument on your side from a historical point that your person of interest is the right Beale

No research on the ground like JustinTime, no mines found or codes broken related to a map and measurements to a location

Just hours of discussion filling the board.....

Cant you guys stay focused on one post?

Geez.....its like looking for some new info on the Beale has become a sales pitch for some of you.....that's not what searching for a treasure is.....

First of all, you are uninformed on several counts. And second, it is this misinformation that you post that prevents you from having full scope on just how much and to what lengths many have gone through in researching this mystery, all of this leading to the "factual conclusions and points of argument" that have been presented in relation to both cipher solutions and historical context. This is why your presented theories aren't going anywhere, because you still continue to deny many of the cold hard facts "and realities" encountered along your course.

 

[ECS]

I find it strange that the idea of legitimacy is being argued about here in the title.....

Not like anyone asked me it's just funny that each of you have soooooo many different posts that show there is an argument on your side from a historical point that your person of interest is the right Beale...

What I find strange is that so much time and money has been spent either in solving the ciphers, proving the perilous adventure of the Thomas J Beale Party as true, or boots on the ground digging for a treasure from a work of fiction that has NO collaboration or provenance of anything contained in the story outside of that published for profit story.

 

[Eldo]

First of all, you are uninformed on several counts. And second, it is this misinformation that you post that prevents you from having full scope on just how much and to what lengths many have gone through in researching this mystery, all of this leading to the "factual conclusions and points of argument" that have been presented in relation to both cipher solutions and historical context. This is why your presented theories aren't going anywhere, because you still continue to deny many of the cold hard facts "and realities" encountered along your course.

How would you have any idea what I am informed about....lol

I hold not only the mine systems, but the keys to the beale's ciphers and don't even need to argue the points away to anyone.....

BTW my answers are going places.....it is you who has been shown that you are continuing the same revelations about a "hidden treasure" that you never intend to find....

Wondering if you are able to make it to the removal of the Albert Pike Statute or if you refuse to believe......lol

 

[Clay Diggins]

How would you have any idea what I am informed about....lol

I hold not only the mine systems, but the keys to the beale's ciphers and don't even need to argue the points away to anyone.....

BTW my answers are going places.....it is you who has been shown that you are continuing the same revelations about a "hidden treasure" that you never intend to find....

Wondering if you are able to make it to the removal of the Albert Pike Statute or if you refuse to believe......lol

You mean the Beale with the dancing camels?



And the Pike with the peek?



Seems like a Survey is in order!

 

[bigscoop]

How would you have any idea what I am informed about....lol

I hold not only the mine systems, but the keys to the beale's ciphers and don't even need to argue the points away to anyone.....

BTW my answers are going places.....it is you who has been shown that you are continuing the same revelations about a "hidden treasure" that you never intend to find....

Wondering if you are able to make it to the removal of the Albert Pike Statute or if you refuse to believe......lol

See what I mean, you can't even recall what you typed in your previous post, that bit of misinformation you suggested regarding the limited research of others... Second point, a great deal of your theory is so seriously and so obviously flawed that I have absolutely no doubt that you will still be continuing to realize the manufactured connections you have fabricated in your own mind right up to your eventual last breath. Dozens just like you have passed through this very same phase of Beale certainty before....nothing new in any of it and nothing ever coming from any of it. It's all been claimed and done before.

 

[Rebel - KGC]

Emma Jean H Rose author of the fictional adventure novel, "MYSTERY BENREATH THE BANEBERRY BUSH: BASED ON THE THOMAS JEFFERSON BEALE CIPHERS"
While acknowledged as a fiction novel based on pieced together "facts", some have search for the Beale treasure in Pennsylvania using this book as a guide.
NOTE: Ward's original 1885 BEALE PAPERS only had the initial "J" as a middle name, "Jefferson" was first mentioned in the HART PAPERS, and since accepted as being "fact".

BAH HUMBUG! NEVER read that book... don't care to.

 

[Rebel - KGC]

You mean the Beale with the dancing camels?

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And the Pike with the peek?

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Seems like a Survey is in order!

Lead on, then!