What do you think it is ?

[VERMONTPACKRAT]

I dug this item last night in a small hay field. Not really sure what it is A clasp of some sort has been suggested.....


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[Customx_12]

Not sure if it will help, but I found a pin at an estate sale that was very similar in nature. Turned out it was a pin of the Nordic ski god Ull and was used by the German Olympians to bring them luck. Again, this may not be related but the pin looked very similar to what you found except it wasn't a clasp. Maybe it is Olympic related somehow?

 

[Bigcypresshunter]

Yes its a clothing fastener. Maybe someone will pull up the 1875(6?) patent.

 

[Customx_12]

Rollerskates were patented in England in 1876...the year of the patent on the clasp.

 

[VERMONTPACKRAT]

You guys are awsome The date could be 75. Its kinda hard to see.


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[Breezie]

Rollerskates were patented in England in 1876...the year of the patent on the clasp.

Yeppers, that's it! The little girl has on roller skates. Nice find, Breezie

 

[Bigcypresshunter]

Rollerskates were patented in England in 1876...the year of the patent on the clasp.

Did you recall that from memory or do you have a link? An American invented roller skates that turn in 1863. http://www.skateland.com/rshis.html

 

[Customx_12]

Rollerskates were patented in England in 1876...the year of the patent on the clasp.

Did you recall that from memory or do you have a link? An American invented roller skates that turn in 1863. http://www.skateland.com/rshis.html

Unfortunately, I was not alive 135 years ago to remember this. Although roller skates were around prior to that time, the axle and wheel design still used today, as shown on this clasp, were patented in 1876 by William Bown of England. Here is the link you requested:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quad_skates

Here's what it says:

"Arguably, the most important advance in the realistic use of roller skates as a pleasurable pastime took place in Birmingham, England in 1876 when William Bown patented a design for the wheels of roller skates. Bown's design embodied his effort to keep the two bearing surfaces of an axle, fixed and moving, apart. Bown worked closely with Joseph Henry Hughes, who drew up the patent for a ball or roller bearing race for bicycle and carriage wheels in 1877. Hughes' patent included all the elements of an adjustable system. These two men are responsible for modern day roller skate and skateboard wheels, as well as the ball bearing race inclusion in velocipedes — later to become motorbikes and automobiles.

Another improvement came in 1876, when the toe stop was first patented. This provided skaters with the ability to stop promptly upon tipping the skate onto the toe. Toe stops are still used today on most quad skates and on some types of inline skates."

 

[Bigcypresshunter]

Unfortunately, I was not alive 135 years ago to remember this. Although roller skates were around prior to that time, the axle and wheel design still used today, as shown on this clasp, were patented in 1876 by William Bown of England. Here is the link you requested:

OK thanks. I dont recognize the 1876 patented skates, so Ill just take your word for it. Thanks for the link. I thought maybe you had a good memory from studying and remembered that particular date. It looks like the date is 1875 but maybe its a 6.

The only way to prove it would be to find the original Jun 29, 1875 (or 1876) fastener patent. I could not find it. I only found the reissued 1881 patent.

 

[Customx_12]

Unfortunately, I was not alive 135 years ago to remember this. Although roller skates were around prior to that time, the axle and wheel design still used today, as shown on this clasp, were patented in 1876 by William Bown of England. Here is the link you requested:

OK thanks. I dont recognize the 1876 patented skates, so Ill just take your word for it. Thanks for the link. I thought maybe you had a good memory from studying and remembered that particular date. It looks like the date is 1875 but maybe its a 6.

The only way to prove it would be to find the original Jun 29, 1875 (or 1876) fastener patent. I could not find it. I only found the reissued 1881 patent.

Did you check British patents? I was thinking it may be a 5 too and it could very well be. Either they filed for the patent in 1875 and used that date or it's a 5 and has nothing to do with the roller skates. I also have no idea who the initials belong to. I could be totally wrong on this and it may have nothing to do with roller skates.

 

[Bigcypresshunter]

I dont know how to check British patents. If its the same year of the patent skates, I think its just coincidence.

 

[Customx_12]

I dont know how to check British patents. If its the same year of the patent skates, I think its just coincidence.

Could very well be. And I have no idea how to check British patents either.

 

[shaun7]

One of these type things

http://www.ukdfd.co.uk/ukdfddata/showrecords.php?product=18655&cat=all

 

[nuggy]

Looks to me like a bag or case clasp - the little hooks went through the leather or whatever to attach it, and a strap with a hole was held by the peg - maybe the bag or case that the skates came in. Nuggy

 

[Silver Searcher]

Looks to me like a bag or case clasp - the little hooks went through the leather or whatever to attach it, and a strap with a hole was held by the peg - maybe the bag or case that the skates came in. Nuggy

I think you are right....Great ID

SS

 

[Bigcypresshunter]

Looks to me like a bag or case clasp - the little hooks went through the leather or whatever to attach it, and a strap with a hole was held by the peg - maybe the bag or case that the skates came in. Nuggy

I doubt it has anything at all to do with skates and Im sorry that I devoted several paragraphs to discussing skating patents. These clothing fasteners have been posted here several times before and if needed I can find them. Its possible they were used for a bag or case but officially the reissued patent I posted above describes this as a "clasp for clothing" and its been green checked.
http://forum.treasurenet.com/index.php/topic,214528.0.html


http://forum.treasurenet.com/index.php/topic,139242.0.html
http://forum.treasurenet.com/index.php/topic,369291.0.html

 

[Silver Searcher]

Far to heavy to be a Clasp for clothing, the fixing prongs on the back are for a Leather fitment...good ID nuggy

SS

 

[Bigcypresshunter]

Far to heavy to be a Clasp for clothing, the fixing prongs on the back are for a Leather fitment...good ID nuggy

SS

I guess you are disagreeing with the ID. Ill research it a bit more but I think the original ID is correct. Like I said earlier the only way to know for absolute certain is to find the original patent. Buckleboy found the reissued patent and its called "clasp for clothing". I guess someone will have to read the entire patent to see if it can be used on leather. Either way I dont think it changes anything.

BTW Z & M is Zinn & Messer. (Simon Zinn & Louis Messer both of NYC)Heres another one found.

http://forum.treasurenet.com/index.php/topic,214528.msg2148405.html#msg2148405.

 

[Bigcypresshunter]

I see what you mean about the prongs.
Heres the Zinn & Messer patent if you want to see if it mentions made for leather.

http://www.google.com/patents?id=JK...=gbs_selected_pages&cad=1#v=onepage&q&f=false

 

[diggummup]

Looks to me like a bag or case clasp - the little hooks went through the leather or whatever to attach it, and a strap with a hole was held by the peg - maybe the bag or case that the skates came in. Nuggy

I doubt it has anything at all to do with skates and Im sorry that I devoted several paragraphs to discussing skating patents. These clothing fasteners have been posted here several times before and if needed I can find them. Its possible they were used for a bag or case but officially the reissued patent I posted above describes this as a "clasp for clothing" and its been green checked.
http://forum.treasurenet.com/index.php/topic,214528.0.html


http://forum.treasurenet.com/index.php/topic,139242.0.html
http://forum.treasurenet.com/index.php/topic,369291.0.html

You are correct BigC, I don't see how it can even be debated at this point. This one's cooked!

I see what you mean about the prongs.
Heres the Zinn & Messer patent if you want to see if it mentions made for leather.

http://www.google.com/patents?id=JK...=gbs_selected_pages&cad=1#v=onepage&q&f=false

it says "applied to a garment or other article" no mention specifically of leather.