What do you think about Roy Roush?

[lastleg]

Quapaw:

Aparently you have done in-depth research on this important subject. Is it
true that Davy Crockett was in charge of transporting shipments of gold bars,
trunks of precious jewels and 20 jack-loads of silver coins from KGC vaults in
Virginia to the Alamo?

One more: Did Mexican General Santa Anna recover the KGC treasure after
the fall of the Alamo? If so did Sam Houston get it back after defeating him
at San Jacinto, or was the entire treasure taken to el Ciudad de Mexico while
Santa Anna continued to battle the Texanos, or was Santa Anna attempting
to reach New Orleans, escort the treasure to Espana and retire?

Thanks,
lastleg

 

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[goverton]

If old Davy Crockett had these in the Alamo, I would venture it was buried deep in the ground somewhere and old Santa Anna
did not get it.....Might still be in the Alamo!

Quapaw:

Aparently you have done in-depth research on this important subject. Is it
true that Davy Crockett was in charge of transporting shipments of gold bars,
trunks of precious jewels and 20 jack-loads of silver coins from KGC vaults in
Virginia to the Alamo?

One more: Did Mexican General Santa Anna recover the KGC treasure after
the fall of the Alamo? If so did Sam Houston get it back after defeating him
at San Jacinto, or was the entire treasure taken to el Ciudad de Mexico while
Santa Anna continued to battle the Texanos, or was Santa Anna attempting
to reach New Orleans, escort the treasure to Espana and retire?

Thanks,
lastleg

 

[Rebel - KGC]

Santa Ana? NAW... he was PROBABLY hauling Maximillan's "Gold" around... LOL; heard there WAS a covered up "dried up well" down there full of gold, silver, & jewelry that was gonna be used to start the REPUBLIC of Texas; it was known as the SACRED VAULT. Coffee? BTW, Dr. Roy is A-OK "in MY book".

 

[Texas Jay]

I've read 3 of Roy Roush's KGC books and I highly recommend them for anyone who wants to learn about the Knights of the Golden Circle. The primary point that he helped me to understand was where most of the treasure in the KGC depositories and caches actually came from. No, it wasn't from the James Gang's robberies. I hate to discourage the KGC naysayers but most of it was put together and secreted away AFTER the Civil War ended.
~Texas Jay

 

[lastleg]

Jay must have had a cranial coronary when the good Doctor enlightened him.
The James Syndicate theory was the main course of the Bloody Bill forum menu
until now.

 

[lastleg]

Now Rebel don't go filling Quapaw's head with Maximillian legends.
He's got enough on his plate figuring out where the KGC Wizzard put all them
millions for the New Empire.

 

[Big Help]

I just now learned of him, I am watching a DVR of the History Channel's special on the JJ hidden treasure. Where is he from, and is he still alive? (The special was from '09.) Thanks!

 

[Rebel - KGC]

ll... LOL! BH, I THINK he is still alive... a US MARINE! I think this is his "site" http://www.knightsofthegoldencircle.net/index.html Good Luck! HH!
BTW, the "era" of Maximilian was during the American CIVIL WAR aka the CONFEDERATE WAR.

 

[dtpost]

I have talked with Roy on a number of occassions and he is a nice guy. I would have to question anyone who thinks J. Frank Dalton was Jesse James though.

Frank Dalton was a U.S. Marshal in Coffeeville, and was killed in the line of duty when he was 28 years old.......

 

[dtpost]

I don't have Roy's books but the few I have tell some things and leave some things out.....on purpose?...maybe ....so they can
write another book.....

You have to be able to read between the lines and put 2 and 2 together and study everything on your maps! Everything means something and if you look hard enough and put your thinking cap on, you will figure it out.....What I have found is.....creeks on maps are not always creeks, same for trails....trails may be creeks....Dates will be more than dates......say for example the
date 1844.......it may mean the "1" is on a survey grid line of plat map, the 844 may mean 844 chains, varas, feet, etc.to a plat map grid line or marker in field or it may mean 1+8+4+4=17=1+7=8 , 8 may mean a "H" or "Foot print"
Got to love puzzles and have a knack for making things work in the puzzle. I have even take a magnifing glass to stare at marks on a map to finally see that that mark made a number that could barely be seen....and that number will be the biggest clue and the smallest mark....

If you have solved your map correctly, then all the indicators, Dates, lines, words, numbers etc, will all make sense TOGETHER and put you in the right area. Man made it and man can decipher it.

Well if you notice the symbol on the KGC signs that is the "R" over the "61"-Richmond 6+1=7 or Route 61. And as you know 7 is associated with most things in history.....The seven cities of gold, the seven spikes on the statue of liberties head crown

 

[lastleg]

Yeah, the Big SEVEN. Seven candelabras, the Seven Tenors and Craps.

 

[Richard Ray]

Just putting in my two cents:
I've known Roy Roush for over 30 years, as for the KGC controversy is concerned, I have no opinion, one way or another and don't really care, he has sent me his books about the KGC and I've visited Jesse James grave in Granbury, Texas and have read the James papers, owned by Jesse James III and still remain neutral on the subject. As for Roy himself, he is indeed a "nice" man, as some have expressed and he is modest. For all the years I've known him, he never mentioned his involvement in WWII, nor the fact that he was one of our first jet pilots and how he survived a horrific crash. I highly recommend his book "Open Fire". As far as I'm concerned, he is a TRUE AMERICAN HERO. Just my opinion.. Thanks.
Richard Byrd Ray

 

[Connecticut Sam]

Look out for story tellers like Roy. Did the KGC bury any treasure in New York and any New England states? lovejoydc@att.net

 

[austin]

Thanks SWR, I believe you are correct in your posting, but I believe there is some truth in the KGC cashes. What I have researched and read, the head members of KGC made plans to invade Mexico and Central America after the fall of the Alamo and the defeat of the Mexican Army. The Heads of the KGC wanted to form an empire, not a nation or state. This is confirmed in DR. Roushes book. I don't believe any large cashes in exist, but if they did wouldn't they want it readily available in ajoining states when needed once Texas and Mexico fell under KGC control? This all went on the back burner with with the start of the civil war. Store the cash and wait.

No offense, but you need to read a Texas history book and look at the dates and the maps. Again, forgive me if I offended you, but...

 

[Mackaydon]

What Rich said in post #12 above is all true. I've known Roy for over 20 years and would vouch for him in an instant. He is also a member of the Adventurer's Club in LA and was an instructor of metal detecting at UCLA night extension classes before some of these readers were born. His BA was in Journalism, his MA in Biblical Arch. and his PhD in Archaeology.
Don..........

 

[Dixiegal]

Read Bob Brewer's book "In The Shadow of The Sentinel" and then do some Civil War research. There is no substitute for getting out in the woods and actually looking for signs and symbols.

The KGC were very active in the SW as well as the South. It is estimated that there is about $400 million in buried gold in the state of GA alone. I don't know about AZ. However the KGC were active in AZ.

If you want to cache hunt for KGC gold and silver you will need a good LRL, a two box or other deepseeking MD and a good sturdy set of digging implements. With the exception of small paydays which usually consist of a mason jar buried at 12 inches and containing a few coins the KGC were very sophisticated in their burial methods. They did not want people digging it back up. A lot of stuff is buried with stacked rock layered on top and most of it is buried fairly deep. Over 3ft and up to 35 ft deep depending on the size of the cache. The large caches are likely booby trapped and some of them are still being watched. A lot of it is on private property or out in an area where you are not allowed to metal detect.

Our personal philosophy is to look for the stuff that is actually recoverable. Smaller caches are easier to recover and even a payday can be worth up to around $250,000 if you get the right coins depending on their dates, mint stamp and condition.

 

[Rebel - KGC]

Did you "say" GEORGIA?

 

[Connecticut Sam]

No, Connecticut.

 

[cccalco]

Treasure or not the KGC did have a Castle in San Antonio and a recent survey of the Alamao uncovered .."a number of ink and paint markings from the mid-1850s are “eerily reminiscent” of symbols used by the Knights of the Golden Circle, a pro-slavery secret society with a chapter in San Antonio that may have met at the Alamo complex, Caridi said."
Cleaning of Alamo Reveals Historic Graffiti


And the following excerpts from an article reveal the strength of the KGC in San Antonio


"Texas, in the early years of the Civil War, found itself controlled by a secret society of expansion-embracing secessionists who at times employed terrorist tactics. This society, the Knights of the Golden Circle, or KGC, played a instrumental role in Texas politics during the months preceding secession in February, 1861. Members of the assemblage from all over Texas participated in significant Civil War events through use of secret vigilante tactics as well as fighting alongside the Confederate Army in battle. Many Union sympathizers remained quiet for fear of the KGC. The San Antonio Castle of the Knights kept order in the town by means of the Mitchell-Childress committee—the self-proclaimed law enforcement of Civil War times. Any support for the North voiced in those times put the speaker at great risk for consequences from the mobocracy (Sturmberg 121)."




"On May 9, 1861, Col. Reeve and his Union troops were stopped 15 miles west of San Antonio at Adams Hill by the commander of Confederate Troops in Texas (Young Battle). No shots were fired in this confrontation, but it did result in the unconditional surrender of Reeve's 320 Union men to Colonel Earl Van Dorn's large force consisting of Confederate soldiers, Texas Rangers, and Knights of the Golden Circle."


James P. Newcomb: a Newsman’s Challenge to San Antonio Confederates
By Andrea Kurth
James P. Newcomb: a Newsman’s Challenge to San Antonio Confederates - University of the Incarnate Word

 

[Rebel - KGC]

Anyone read Dr. Roy Roush's book on Jesse James?