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What a day...some unique finds including 1600's to civil war (confederate brass!)

On thursday evening I finally got an in at a site that I have been hoping to get on for quite some time now. Confirmed on Friday and provided literally the keys to the gates and on Saturday Bill D and I ran out to check it out. First though I have a little catch up. The previous weekend, I managed to get out for a short and snowy return visit to the site that let Bill and I down a few weeks ago. I spent 4 or 5 hours walking some new and old fields and while I managed a hand full of buttons and another 1736-1795 Kao Tsung (Ch'ien-Lung Dynasty) Chinese coin it was lack luster. This is another 1700's Chinese coin and joins the family of several that came from an adjacent farm. That and a tudor rose cufflink seemed to be the better of the finds. I am confident a decent find will come from this site, but not the quantity I had hoped.

On to yesterday, this site was historically rich from the 1600-1700s. However, there also was quite a bit civil war activity which means that I felt it had likely seen diggers before, most likely night vultures. Sadly, it seemed to be the case as while Bill and I found a decent amount, you could easily tell that it had been dug heavily over the years. This was a 300+ acre site, so we had our work cut out to cover as much of it as possible. We started out checking some likely colonial sites and while we saw signs of a dwelling that once existed, the finds were few and far. I managed to dig a nice set of 1700's mourning urn cufflinks and a couple of other buttons from the site. We then decided to take a long walk into the lower fields which did produce a nice early buckle and a surprise pocket civil war bullets. Sadly the other house site that I knew was on or near the property border seemed to be just across the lane on another property (to be continued...).

After a long walk we headed back to where we started. We decided to head back to the truck for lunch and I picked a high knoll that had some brick and lots of modern and old trash mixed in that we walked through earlier in the morning. Once ascending the hill I dug a neat little target that looked like a coin or token. After getting home it was truly a unique find as it was kind of a both. This is a dated 1847 W & T Avery apothecary weight (2 scrupel) and certainly something that I did not know existed. Literally 5 feet later I hit another nice tone, and I half expected it to be another civil war bullet or perhaps coin. Out popped a big two piece button and to my surprise it was a North Carolina state seal confederate button!

After lunch we took a long stroll and checked on a few sites before ending back up where we first started during the morning. Surprisingly, the finds picked up as I began to dig buttons, buckles and other odds and ends (including a nice glass inset button). Two civil war artillery friction primers (the brass tubes) also surfaced, both being fired which was unique as the site did not see fighting.

At the end of the day I decided to walk back to where the NC button came from when I received a nice deep but high and large tone. I did not expect it to be much more than big brass farm equipment when to my surprise out popped the Brass patch stock case cover to a model 1841 musket (Whitney, Harpers Ferry). These were fairly common muskets used by confederate troops and due to its proximity to the NC button and presence of bullets and friction primers, I feel confident it was war used. I also feel confident the rest of the gun is mixed in somewhere as the entire piece is intact and this would have been affixed to the musket stock.

I did find some proof to show those individuals who call every brass screw a frizzen pan or jaw screw from flint lock muskets. I have long debated that these are actually furniture parts and surely this proof shows that as it is A. still attached to the furniture plate and B. attached by a screwed washer.

My total finds for the day include 12 buttons, the token/weight, gun part and other odds and ends (bridle chain, large portion to early bell, etc.). While this site too will not provide the quantity of relics I had hoped, it will by all expectations, produce a few really good finds.

HH

Dan
 

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The button and cufflinks are two pretty good keepers, and fun when you're popping great things from different eras. You guys have it real tough :) ... either hunting early Colonial to Rev war, or Rev War to Civil war.. or I bet on the odd occasion early Colonial right to Civil War. Damn it's hard to beat VA!

That NC button a "Pretty good" keeper iron patch?! Yer KILLIN' me here! (Love the patch box cover, too!)
 

That NC button a "Pretty good" keeper iron patch?! Yer KILLIN' me here! (Love the patch box cover, too!)

ha ha thanks man. Honestly, that patch stock case cover is by far the nicest of the lot. Most people would not realize that, but those are not found very often, especially complete. I only have one other complete one in my collection.
 

Some really nice digs Dan. The patch box cover is a unique find. Too bad the soil is so rough on the brass, but a CS button is tough to dig none the less. Looking forward to your finds from the next hunt there.
 

Some really nice digs Dan. The patch box cover is a unique find. Too bad the soil is so rough on the brass, but a CS button is tough to dig none the less. Looking forward to your finds from the next hunt there.
Thanks man...it is a cool site, even if it had been hunted to death already

Dan
 

I just found the same Chinese Coin in St. Augustine!

Hi HomeGuardDan,

Great finds. What I found very interesting is the Chinese coin you found is the exact same one that I just found down in St. Augustine last week. I was doing research and couldn't find an exact match. I was amazed when I saw that it looks exactly like your coin. You can see my post in Todays finds:
http://www.treasurenet.com/forums/t...gustine-hunt-my-first-silver-half-dollar.html

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Hi HomeGuardDan,

Great finds. What I found very interesting is the Chinese coin you found is the exact same one that I just found down in St. Augustine last week. I was doing research and couldn't find an exact match. I was amazed when I saw that it looks exactly like your coin. You can see my post in Todays finds:
http://www.treasurenet.com/forums/t...gustine-hunt-my-first-silver-half-dollar.html

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Thanks man. Yea i have found several from the 1700s to early 1800s at colonial and early 1800 sites here in VA. This link should help you nail yours. There are subtle differences that differentiate ones from the 1700s from the 1900s.

Identify your Chinese coins

HH

Dan
 

Wow, what a locations!!!! Looks like a nice long summer spot!!!!:thumbsup:
 

Dan - Great finds. Nice ID on the brass cover for the patch box. I had never seen such an ID before on T-Net.
 

What a great bunch of finds. I am so jelly
 

Is there any place in Virginia, that the Civil War did not touch
That is a really nice haul if history.
Congrats
 

What a great bunch of finds. The cufflinks are my favorite too. It's funny how many chinese coins pop up, old ones too. The stock plate is really neat.
I still haven't found any weights yet. so I think they're great too. Nice to have all that land to hunt! WTG!
 

On thursday evening I finally got an in at a site that I have been hoping to get on for quite some time now. Confirmed on Friday and provided literally the keys to the gates and on Saturday Bill D and I ran out to check it out. First though I have a little catch up. The previous weekend, I managed to get out for a short and snowy return visit to the site that let Bill and I down a few weeks ago. I spent 4 or 5 hours walking some new and old fields and while I managed a hand full of buttons and another 1736-1795 Kao Tsung (Ch'ien-Lung Dynasty) Chinese coin it was lack luster. This is another 1700's Chinese coin and joins the family of several that came from an adjacent farm. That and a tudor rose cufflink seemed to be the better of the finds. I am confident a decent find will come from this site, but not the quantity I had hoped.

On to yesterday, this site was historically rich from the 1600-1700s. However, there also was quite a bit civil war activity which means that I felt it had likely seen diggers before, most likely night vultures. Sadly, it seemed to be the case as while Bill and I found a decent amount, you could easily tell that it had been dug heavily over the years. This was a 300+ acre site, so we had our work cut out to cover as much of it as possible. We started out checking some likely colonial sites and while we saw signs of a dwelling that once existed, the finds were few and far. I managed to dig a nice set of 1700's mourning urn cufflinks and a couple of other buttons from the site. We then decided to take a long walk into the lower fields which did produce a nice early buckle and a surprise pocket civil war bullets. Sadly the other house site that I knew was on or near the property border seemed to be just across the lane on another property (to be continued...).

After a long walk we headed back to where we started. We decided to head back to the truck for lunch and I picked a high knoll that had some brick and lots of modern and old trash mixed in that we walked through earlier in the morning. Once ascending the hill I dug a neat little target that looked like a coin or token. After getting home it was truly a unique find as it was kind of a both. This is a dated 1847 W & T Avery apothecary weight (2 scrupel) and certainly something that I did not know existed. Literally 5 feet later I hit another nice tone, and I half expected it to be another civil war bullet or perhaps coin. Out popped a big two piece button and to my surprise it was a North Carolina state seal confederate button!

After lunch we took a long stroll and checked on a few sites before ending back up where we first started during the morning. Surprisingly, the finds picked up as I began to dig buttons, buckles and other odds and ends (including a nice glass inset button). Two civil war artillery friction primers (the brass tubes) also surfaced, both being fired which was unique as the site did not see fighting.

At the end of the day I decided to walk back to where the NC button came from when I received a nice deep but high and large tone. I did not expect it to be much more than big brass farm equipment when to my surprise out popped the Brass patch stock case cover to a model 1841 musket (Whitney, Harpers Ferry). These were fairly common muskets used by confederate troops and due to its proximity to the NC button and presence of bullets and friction primers, I feel confident it was war used. I also feel confident the rest of the gun is mixed in somewhere as the entire piece is intact and this would have been affixed to the musket stock.

I did find some proof to show those individuals who call every brass screw a frizzen pan or jaw screw from flint lock muskets. I have long debated that these are actually furniture parts and surely this proof shows that as it is A. still attached to the furniture plate and B. attached by a screwed washer.

My total finds for the day include 12 buttons, the token/weight, gun part and other odds and ends (bridle chain, large portion to early bell, etc.). While this site too will not provide the quantity of relics I had hoped, it will by all expectations, produce a few really good finds.

HH

Dan

I can not believe I missed your post , (to busy ranting & TMI I Guess).

Super nice finds & a Great assortment of them .

Congratz on the Banner.
Davers
 

Wow!! Nice finds Dan! You always kill em!!
 

Looks like you were pretty busy digging. Your display stump is chock full 'O artifacts. Great hunt! :thumbsup:
 

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