Water Board-Tribes Fish Killing Facts

[Hoser John]

Here it is-the commercial for gill nettn' millions full a trumped up garbage sic sic sic

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This is a message from the State Water Resources Control Board.[/h]You are invited to a presentation on a survey study of fish use by California Tribes during a public State Water Board Meeting. The results could be used for deriving water quality objectives to protect people (including Tribes) who catch and eat fish from California’s waters. Dr. Fraser Shilling of UC Davis will be presenting his survey results to the Board Members of the State Water Board.

The meeting agenda is attached. The date is Sept 9 , 2014. I’m sorry that there is not an exact time for this presentation. This presentation is scheduled as the 8[SUP]th[/SUP] item presented during this meeting. The meeting will start at 9 a.m. Items 1-6 should only take a few minutes each. Item 7 will probably take longer. Board meetings often end around 3 p.m. Also note that the agenda may be reorganized at the start of the meeting. (The agenda is also posted here: State Water Resources Control Board )

You can attend in person in Sacramento (Please see the attached agenda for address and details on signing in with security.) Alternatively, you can watch a live video broadcast of the meeting, available at: Cal/EPA Live Webcasts. This is the “SWRCB Board Meeting”.

The final study report: California Tribes Fish-Use can be found here: http://www.waterboards.ca.gov/water_issues/programs/mercury/docs/tribes_ fish_use.pdf

Updated Presentation Summary

Tribes have expressed concern that water quality and other water-related decisions tend to lack consideration of tribes’ use of water and aquatic resources. The State Water Resources Control Board and the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency provided funding to UC Davis researchers to collaborate with tribes in discovering the historical and current patterns of fish use. UC Davis researchers worked with partner tribes to establish an appropriate approach to interviewing tribe members about fish use.

Members of 40 California tribes and tribe groups were surveyed directly at 24 locations, and staff from 10 tribes was surveyed online using standard questionnaires. Traditional uses of fish were assessed using literature review and surveying of tribe members and staff. Contemporary uses were assessed using tribe member interviews. UC Davis researchers found that tribes use fish in similar patterns (fish types and source-waters) as they did traditionally, but not in terms of amounts. Tribes used 26 freshwater/anadromous fin-fish species, 23 marine fin-fish species, and 18 other invertebrate, and plant species and groups of species. The single most commonly caught and/or eaten fish species group among all tribes was “salmon”, which could include chinook or coho salmon. Current 95th percentile rates of consumption of caught-fish varied by tribe and ranged between 30 g/day (Chumash) and 240 g/day (Pit River). The rate of fish use (frequency and consumption rate) was suppressed for many tribes, compared to traditional rates, which most tribes attributed primarily to water quantity and quality issues.

If you have questions, please contact Amanda Palumbo at: amanda.palumbo@waterboards.ca.gov or (916) 341-5687.

Regards,
Amanda

Amanda Palumbo, Ph.D.
Environmental Scientist
Division of Water Quality
State Water Resources Control Board
1001 I Street, 15[SUP]th[/SUP] Floor
Sacramento, CA 95814
Phone: 916.341.5687
amanda.palumbo@waterboards.ca.gov

 

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[southfork]

Southfork, I am sorry if it offends your sense of Native pride...sincerely, but the
tribes here in WA. do not follow the same ethics as you suggest.
It does offend my native pride . Those few tribes must be gill netting the entire west coast . I've watched the fisheries decline for over sixty years when I was a teenager most of the streams in California that emptied into the bays and the ocean had healthy populations of fish . I wonder if all those thousands of commercial fisherman helped this growing problem . My people did not eat salmon .

 

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[southfork]

While arguing with the director or the minral rights revocation on the trinity i asked why they wanted to stop mining along the trinity river, her response, to protect the improvements made in the river to help salmon populations i said, if you want to help salmon populations the why dont you stop gill netting? She saidthat is part of the tribes culture. I said im a decendant of a long line of indian hunters but i dont feel in todays world it would be appropriate for me to go hunt indians, she said that was different......hhmmmmmmm ,,,,,,,,

That's a sad statement Indian hunters I know you meant murders it almost sounds racist .

 

[Armchair prospector]

Christopher Columbus got here in 1492, which is 524 years since, and tribes have been fishing for thousands of years?. I wonder how much they wasted before we noticed? How many times you think they had droughts that made fishing impossible? I'm sure they dammed up rivers and streams to have water, just not on a large scale. They would still be living the way they did thousands of years ago if it weren't for the "white man". "Progress" was not in their language.

 

[southfork]

Just Google Dams on the Columbia River water shed . And look at all the diversions don't blame the native population for our problems . And if you didn't force them on to reservations they maybe the need to sell fish eggs would have never materialized . And yes I'm using electricity but I hate salmon .

 

[fowledup]

So your saying that since the Japanese monster fleet that severely fudges the international waters boundary off our coast, fishing nonstop without seasons, catching everything in their wake does it; that makes ok it for a select group of American citizens to do it in a like manner but smaller scale?
The Indian fishery is supposed to be subsistence fishery targeting a certain species (gill nets catch sturgeon, trout, and anything else with fins just as efficient as they catch Salmon). It is also supposed to done using traditional methods to preserve the culture of the local indigenous people, so that future generations will know how their ancestors harvested their food. An analogy that comes to mind is the market hunters of the Buffalo, or the commercial Waterfowl hunters with their punt guns of Chesapeke Bay. Don't feel the need to write the details we all know the stories. The point is we aren't harvesting game in that fashion anymore because we supposedly learned it was wrong and harmful to the critters. Why do we continue to let a select few American citizens carry on with the same tactics that we as a society supposedly learned from. I could care less who you are or what your ancestors did, stupidity and greed is truly color blind.
All that being said....I'm a huge history buff and believe we should preserve and cherish all that has made this country. If certain groups want to honor their ancestors then it should be done exactly as their ancestors did it. I have been suggesting to F & W for years to do a traditional hunt season (not today's modern muzzle loaders or compound bows) in honor of the early pioneers. In the case of the Salmon only hand woven nets, spears, and fish traps should be used. As to the food argument, stop by one of our fish hatcheries later in the season once they've reached the egg take quota, they haul fish off by the semi truck load. Why not repurpose those fish to folks that have used them as a significant portion of their traditional diet? Anothefr aspect that I believe should be taken into consideration; Subsistence hunting and fishing should be open to anyone by permit or license, just as the regular hunting and fishing seasons are. People from all over the world have all used the same methods, not just a certain group at a certain time and place in our planet's history. If we truly want to preserve the "Old Ways" then the more folks that know and practise them the better. How and when you harvest fish and game in this state should depend on what license or permit you have - Recreational, Subsistence, or Commercial.
Pass the popcorn please!

 

[DizzyDigger]

Just Google Dams on the Columbia River water shed . And look at all the
diversions don't blame the native population for our problems . And if you didn't force them on to reservations
they maybe the need to sell fish eggs would have never materialized . And yes I'm using electricity but I hate salmon .

There is no requirement under the law that says any Native American has to
live on a reservation. Any Native American can buy a house or rent an apt.
anywhere they please to live in the entire country.

There is nothing that says Native's can't hold any job they desire, and are
qualified for. As for education, native's have access to the very same
schools and curriculum as any other child in this country. There are loads
of Federal grants for Native Americans that desire to attend college, or,
they can work and go to school at the same time, just as many Americans
do.

I used to long-line trap for furbearers because the income was needed to
help make ends meet, but one thing a serious trapper never does is to
over-trap an area...you always leave seed for the future. When it comes
to their gillnetting, the tribes seem to have thrown common sense to the
wind, and act as if they could care less if the resource renews itself.

And the weak rationalization that the tribes are justified in wiping out a
fish run because "we" made them poor is laughable, at best. If they had
taken just 10% of the amount they killed and smoked them they'd have
all kinds of food.

It is far, far past time for the Native American tribes to put away the "victim"
card and get on with life like everyone else.

JMHO, of course.

 

[southfork]

Wow at least it woke someone up that's not blaming the native population for the whole problem . I had a feeling the Japanese were behind this I don't think I mentioned the Japanese . Its funny if you try to get a post going on gold nothing happens but get off topic and every armchair quarter back wakes up . I need to get ready for artifact hunt I hope no dead smelly fish get in the way .

 

[DizzyDigger]

Southfork, just so you don't think I hold only the tribes completely accountable,
the commercial fisheries hammer those same salmon at a dozen spots up and
down the coast all the way to Alaska, and back.

The reason I feel the tribes are as culpable as they are is due to them being
the last barrier the returning fish have to get by before spawning. Unlike the
open ocean fisheries, these fish are concentrated into a river and have little
chance of escaping the nets. They know in advance how many fish are expected
to return, and rather than allowing a good portion of them to travel to the
spawning grounds before they begin netting, they net from day 1 of the run.
If the return estimate is not met, then they've taken the vast majority of the
returning fish, leaving very few to spawn.

There is currently an issue among WDFW to stop ALL sport fishing in ANY
river in Washington for the next 12 years. If this were to become
law...guess what?...the tribes would still be allowed to gillnet the rivers!

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SF, rather than this become a heated debate, I think I'll step
out of the thread here. In the end, the lawyers will be the only
ones that ever benefit from the issue.

 

[southfork]

It is far, far past time for the Native American tribes to put away the "victim"
card and get on with life like everyone else.
Its hard to put away the victim card when people like you deny the genocide that happened in America . You need to get out more equal opportunity maybe but I'm not seeing it unless your talking about casino jobs . A few people always excel but way more are stuck in poverty like there parents and grandparents . Did you know at the start of the 1900s there was only about 10'000 California Native Americans left out of close to one million . And they were almost all on reservations . Do they have the right to destroy a fish habitat no but what do they have to learn from .

 

[cazisme]

My translation skills are a little rusty but doesnt Hoopa mean Gillnet all fish sell to whiteman buy drugs and alcohal?