virgin park part 3 battle for the silver

rogues71

rogues71

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well i took everyones advise and looked up the director of parks and recreation and called him 2 hours ago. we met down town next to his office at a park in mesa. i brought my detector and digging tool. we talked for about 20 minutes, and i assured him that i was in no way destroying any public land for further use and i brought some of my finds to show him. i then proceeded to turn on my machine and swing away it was about 2 minutes and i had a penny signal, i looked at the depth stuck my tool in the ground pryed up a small piece of grass and the penny actualy poped out of the ground "at this point in my head i was thinking why cant they all be like this" i then pressed the grass back and told him this is how i work. he then told me he found nothing wrong with this technique, and told me i could hunt at my leisure. i asked if he would put it in writting so we wouldnt have to go through this again and waste tax payers money with the police investigating something that isnt nessecery . we then walked to his office he wrote up a quick impromtu document signed it and handed it to me. as i left his office his secretary asked me if i would come over to her boyfriends house to help find her ring that she lost 2 weeks ago in the yard, i took the adress and told her i would call back to set a date. i dont have much faith in goverment but today kinda turned me around. ill keep ya posted on sat hunt. good luck and keep swinging.
 

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That's great news, glad it turned out for ya. You even picked up another place to hunt as well. :thumbsup:
 

That's great news that your able to hunt the park. :hello2:
I had a similar experience last year, even though I had verbal permission from the park superintent, the workers, and even other officers would wave as they drove bye.
Then one day a cop drove his car right through the park, came up on me and asked what I was doing. I explained, and he just said "not in his park and told me to get out".
I approached his car and said that I was confused as I'd received permission from all the others.
He said " LOOK I WEAR THE F'ING BADGE AND THE F'ING GUN AND YOU GET THE F OUT OF MY PARK!"
Understood and I left. I called it in, and it seems like he's just like that, and they have the final say what goes on in the parks. :dontknow:
 

pepperj said:
That's great news that your able to hunt the park. :hello2:
I had a similar experience last year, even though I had verbal permission from the park superintent, the workers, and even other officers would wave as they drove bye.
Then one day a cop drove his car right through the park, came up on me and asked what I was doing. I explained, and he just said "not in his park and told me to get out".
I approached his car and said that I was confused as I'd received permission from all the others.
He said " LOOK I WEAR THE F'ING BADGE AND THE F'ING GUN AND YOU GET THE F OUT OF MY PARK!"
Understood and I left. I called it in, and it seems like he's just like that, and they have the final say what goes on in the parks. :dontknow:
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Wasn't there, but at face value, that kind of arrogance, attitude, and vulgarity needs to be dealt with. BTW, it's YOUR park, too. :wink:

Great finds, Rouges71!!! :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

Any pics?

Keep us posted on the ring hunt.
 

That was totally unprofessional conduct by the officer, especially the profanity. My recommendation is not to be confrontational with someone like that, but to ask for his name and badge number ( which most departments require be given) and contact his sergeant. If he fails to provide the info, note the date, time and location of the incident, write down everything you can remember about his conduct and call his precinct commander or the chief of police's office.
His conduct was uncalled for, if your description of the event is factual... >:(
 

If that guy worked for me, I would have placed him on the night shift in a walking beat! I deal wih attitudes like that from time to time, but usually they are the thugs on the street and not the guys I work with. You have my permission to hunt anywhere you want in our city(South Bend). I garauntee you won't deal with a Police Officer like that.
BTW, nice job on getting the permission. Persistance pays off in the long run. :thumbsup: jgas
 

Congrats on permission to hunt. :thumbsup:

I read your other post and comend you on being patient and level headed. I don't think the cop was out of line, from what I read, just doing his job. You have to remember, some people go strictly by the book. I have to do that at my job and it makes some people mad but that's the way it is. :wink:

The finds you've been making in this park are awesome. I dream of a place like it. And now you have unlimited access. Goes to show, when things get a little off track, it doesn't hurt to ask. Looking forward to the next post.

Good Luck
Randy
 

that is the way to make all of us MD'ers look good in the eyes of the people in charge of the parks
Thank you
 

Thanks for keeping a level head in all this. That is hard for some folks to do. :help:
 

I am glad everything worked out for you. I think most people just don't understand the hobby. Unfortunately some properties I have asked permission to hunt were denied because of detectorist in the past did not fill their holes or damaged the property. You definitely set a good example. PEPPERJ, there are bad seeds in all lines of work. I work in law enforcement and I picked the hobby up from other coworkers. Happy Hunting to everyone.
 

rogues71~Nicely done! Thanks for making us all look good! Hope you finds handfulls of silver! :icon_thumright:




pepperj~The Cop probably owns a detector and didn't want you finding all his silver. :wink:
 

I am really happy that this all worked out really well for you and that you got permission to hunt, and you even have it in writing and that it was handled in a good way. :thumbsup:
Now to Law enforcement officers and some comments made... they really do have difficult jobs and deal with people who do cause them trouble and they are just doing there job. I am not down on all this negative attitude toward them. Yes at times they may mouth off or act from a position of power, etc.. but you also need to understand their life can be sh##, they have high levels of depression from seeing elements of society that most of us don't ever have to see or deal with, and they deal with it daily. I would just thank them for doing their job. They are not the one's making policy. The officer was likely sent out under orders. Officers don't like talk back because they get it all the time from actual criminals. I for one am glad there are people who are willing to do this job. An example would be the Cambridge, Mass police officer who was just doing his job on call, a Harvard professor who perceived racism when the officer came to investigate a potential break-in, and our president... would have all gone down differently had the homeowner realized the cop was doing his job and would be grateful that his house was being protected.
You speak of our parks, but how far does that go. Let's say a guy was taking a dump every 3 hours in the soccer fields and urinating on the goal posts, would you be mad that his rights to the land were violated if the cop came out and stopped him, or would you be happy the cop came out? How is it different (on the police's part) if people are calling in saying some guy is digging holes? So original poster handled it in the right way, that is to show the right people he was doing no harm for which he gets a :icon_thumleft: but I'd say lets respect LEO's when confronted by them. They are just doing their job. I find if you are respectful, don't take the argument to them, they don't make policy, then they wont be disrespectful to you.
 

RPG said:
Congrats on permission to hunt. :thumbsup:

I read your other post and comend you on being patient and level headed. I don't think the cop was out of line, from what I read, just doing his job. You have to remember, some people go strictly by the book. I have to do that at my job and it makes some people mad but that's the way it is. :wink:

The finds you've been making in this park are awesome. I dream of a place like it. And now you have unlimited access. Goes to show, when things get a little off track, it doesn't hurt to ask. Looking forward to the next post.

Good Luck
Randy
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I would have taken him to court,no questions asked,get his name and badge number,time,and next time record the convo on your cell phone,go straight to the courthouse,and police station.
LabradorBob
 

RPG said:
Congrats on permission to hunt. :thumbsup:

I read your other post and comend you on being patient and level headed. I don't think the cop was out of line, from what I read, just doing his job. You have to remember, some people go strictly by the book. I have to do that at my job and it makes some people mad but that's the way it is. :wink:

The finds you've been making in this park are awesome. I dream of a place like it. And now you have unlimited access. Goes to show, when things get a little off track, it doesn't hurt to ask. Looking forward to the next post.

Good Luck
Randy
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Give them an inch and they will take a mile!
 

As I remember right, you had written permission from the parks director to hunt there.
Did you try to show him the paper, so he could see that you did have permission from the higher-ups?
Then, if he had been told by his superiors that there would be no digging, then let the superiors have at each other, and
come to some conclusion.
But, after showing him the paper, he continued to tell you that ".....you couldn't hunt in his f******** park,", then its
badge number time. They are to protect from criminals, but they do not make up their own set of rules. They are
to correct us, according to law......and that is not their own law.
All in all, if you didn't show him the paperwork ok, then you did what he told you to do.....and that was the right and smart
thing to do. (If he was just trying to do his job, then maybe he went back to his department heads and told them what
happened, and they will "look it up." Great finds.
 

Good post!!!! Also from a previous post, dont record a conversation with a phone or device without checking state laws first. Most states its against the law to capture a voice conversation without the other persons approval, unless it involves a criminal investigation. I work in law enforcement and know that there are some that make us all look bad by mis treating people or taking things to far. It's that way in every profession. Remember most times they respond cause they are called there. Good job on taking care of the matter civilly and making all detectorist look good.



p2c said:
I am really happy that this all worked out really well for you and that you got permission to hunt, and you even have it in writing and that it was handled in a good way. :thumbsup:
Now to Law enforcement officers and some comments made... they really do have difficult jobs and deal with people who do cause them trouble and they are just doing there job. I am not down on all this negative attitude toward them. Yes at times they may mouth off or act from a position of power, etc.. but you also need to understand their life can be sh##, they have high levels of depression from seeing elements of society that most of us don't ever have to see or deal with, and they deal with it daily. I would just thank them for doing their job. They are not the one's making policy. The officer was likely sent out under orders. Officers don't like talk back because they get it all the time from actual criminals. I for one am glad there are people who are willing to do this job. An example would be the Cambridge, Mass police officer who was just doing his job on call, a Harvard professor who perceived racism when the officer came to investigate a potential break-in, and our president... would have all gone down differently had the homeowner realized the cop was doing his job and would be grateful that his house was being protected.
You speak of our parks, but how far does that go. Let's say a guy was taking a dump every 3 hours in the soccer fields and urinating on the goal posts, would you be mad that his rights to the land were violated if the cop came out and stopped him, or would you be happy the cop came out? How is it different (on the police's part) if people are calling in saying some guy is digging holes? So original poster handled it in the right way, that is to show the right people he was doing no harm for which he gets a :icon_thumleft: but I'd say lets respect LEO's when confronted by them. They are just doing their job. I find if you are respectful, don't take the argument to them, they don't make policy, then they wont be disrespectful to you.
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Remember that one spoiled apple ruins the hole bunch, that goes for police & for md'ers. Having been both, if the officer acted as described he would be making an apology if he worked for me. Yes officers deal with the crap others don't want to deal with but a good rule of thumb is treat everyone with respect until they show that they do not deserve it. If someone sees the newbee out in the park with a large shovel digging for penny's that ruins it for the group. To this day I have not taken anythin but a screw driver with me when I go to a park. With a little practice anyone can get a coin out from 6" with ease with nothing but a screw driver.

But as was done in this case, sometimes it is easier just to walk away.
 

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