Video: Obama Supporter Would Rather Be Murdered Than Use Gun In Self Defense

[Critical Recovery]

dont you have to make appointments nowadays?

yeah, I keep challenging people to gunfights but they just look at me funny...
Spoil sports.

 

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[0121stockpicker]

"Among the many misdeeds of British rule in India, history will look upon the Act depriving a whole nation of arms as the blackest.” – Mohandas Gandhi, an Autobiography, page 446.

“If someone has a gun and is trying to kill you, it would be reasonable to shoot back with your own gun.”. --Dalai Lama, Seattle Times, May 15, 2001

Yes - you heard that right... MLK was a gun owner.

Martin Luther King, Jr., known for peaceful resistance, at the same time recognized the importance of gun ownership for self-defense. King understood the risks involved in being an outspoken civil rights leader, living in Jim Crow era Alabama, and took measures to protect himself, his family and others around him.

King was a gun owner. In fact, he had a few guns–one visitor to the King family home described King’s supply of weapons as an “armory.”

Additionally, William Worthy, a journalist who covered the Southern Christian Leadership Conference, reported that he almost sat on a loaded gun while visiting King’s parsonage.

King had also applied for a concealed carry permit, but was turned down. According to John M. Snyder:

“At one time, King applied for a permit to carry a concealed handgun, but was denied. He was concerned for his personal safety, just as are a lot of law-abiding American citizens. “

Even though King’s house had just been bombed, his application for the concealed carry permit was still rejected. Few people in the US needed a permit to carry more than Reverend King did in 1956, but since the local police had some discretion in their decision making, King, who no doubt met the requirements of the law, was rejected nonetheless. This was the norm when the applicant was black.
King obviously believed in protecting himself and his loved ones.
I don't think he would appreciate the gun control legislation which we are seeing thrust upon us because he knew that gun control was really about keeping guns out of the hands of people who others seek to oppress.

Consent Of The Governed: Martin Luther King Jr And His Guns

No one ever claimed that MLK did not personally own a fire arm - who cares. The entire civil rights movement that he lead was based upon nonviolence and not an armed uprising correct?

Ditto for Gandhi - a purposeful non violent uprising. Many different Indian leader and groups tried to throw out the British using violence and they were all crushed as the British responded with even more violence.

Do you think if the civil rights movement took up arms against southern states or the United States government that the movement would have been successful?

 

[BosnMate]

Could be. Was Gandhi and MLK paid off. I know many of you are very "gung-ho" but not everyone believes that violence is always the right solution. Do you think civil rights movement would have been successful as an armed uprising?

Yes, it was time and bound to happen. There was violence, just not a blood bath. How about the four kids that were killed by the KKK and the church bombing that killed the little girls. Sometimes violence steels a persons will to endure -- and even gives backbone to people on the fence. The murder of those little girls got a lot of people involved that would never have said or done a thing. Don't get me wrong, I'm NOT saying violence is a good thing, but sometimes it backfires on the people doing it. It's like the Indians at the Little Big Horn, they won a couple of big battles, against both Crook and Custer, but they lost the war. Or Hitler tried to bomb England into submission, and all he did was pi$$ off all the people, and made them more determined to fight on.

 

[kuger]

A smart person can shoot a gun as well as an unintelligent one. Special ops solders are not your "Rambo" stereotypes. They are highly intelligent.

And finally I would say you missed the major point which is an intelligent person would not go to the "gun fight". Best.

I have worked with and trained along side of as well as instructed "Special Op's",and I have never ever come across a single one that beleived society,should not be armed or one that was anti gun....why is that?Why is their main tool a gun?

Hitler,Polpot,Jones.etc,could these men have been "talked",out of their evil doings?

 

[0121stockpicker]

I have worked with and trained along side of as well as instructed "Special Op's",and I have never ever come across a single one that beleived society,should not be armed or one that was anti gun....why is that?Why is their main tool a gun?

Hitler,Polpot,Jones.etc,could these men have been "talked",out of their evil doings?

Who ever said anything about people not being armed? My only statement was that they are extremely intelligent people.

 

[0121stockpicker]

Yes, it was time and bound to happen. There was violence, just not a blood bath. How about the four kids that were killed by the KKK and the church bombing that killed the little girls. Sometimes violence steels a persons will to endure -- and even gives backbone to people on the fence. The murder of those little girls got a lot of people involved that would never have said or done a thing. Don't get me wrong, I'm NOT saying violence is a good thing, but sometimes it backfires on the people doing it. It's like the Indians at the Little Big Horn, they won a couple of big battles, against both Crook and Custer, but they lost the war. Or Hitler tried to bomb England into submission, and all he did was pi$$ off all the people, and made them more determined to fight on.

Unless I misread history the violence you describe during the civil rights movement was carried out by opponents to the movement - correct? So after this violence if MLK would have made a call to arms how do you think things would have played out?

 

[kuger]

Who ever said anything about people not being armed? My only statement was that they are extremely intelligent people.

...pretty sure that is the drum you beat?So if not,when did we get on the subject of smart vs stupid in a gunfight?Or was it chess?

 

[0121stockpicker]

...pretty sure that is the drum you beat?So if not,when did we get on the subject of smart vs stupid in a gunfight?Or was it chess?

No drum and no beating. Best prob just to just stick with what you think/believe as opposing to assuming what someone else does - correct. We all know what happens when one assumes. If you do wish to know my opinion on an issue I'm more than happy to tell anyone who cares enough to ask.

 

[BosnMate]

A smart person can shoot a gun as well as an unintelligent one. Special ops solders are not your "Rambo" stereotypes. They are highly intelligent.

And finally I would say you missed the major point which is an intelligent person would not go to the "gun fight". Best.

I fundamentally disagree with you. A less than smart gang banger will hold the gun sideways and throw lead, killing by standers. A brave man will stand there, get a good sight picture and squeeze off a shot, killing the ignorant gang banger. Trouble is, in Chicago it's one ignorant gang banger shooting at another ignorant gang banger, because people that could do something about it are denied the use of firearms. Regarding special ops soldiers, how many do you know? What gives you the authority to talk about them like an expert? If you know someone bragging about their service --- lets put it this way, people lying about their service was never a cook, and they might fool little girls, but veterans see through the BS. Special ops might not be Rambo, but they are brave, and they, like Napoleon said, will move to the sound of the guns. There's the story about the Navy SEAL, that when asked if they had to learn a foreign language, told the lady reporter "No. We don't go there to talk." And your point about no intelligent person would go to a gun fight. Sorry, the mall shooting in Oregon was just getting off to a good start, when a CCW holder, actually breaking the law, because the mall didn't allow concealed carry on premises, headed to the sound of gunfire. When he arrived on scene he was face to face with the shooter, and had him covered, but didn't fire because innocent people were running away and had his shot fouled, however the shooter, rather than fight an armed man, retreated to a stair well and shot himself. On top of that, I think bravery has nothing to do with intelligence, some people are just braver than others, and you might just be surprised who's brave when the chips are down. I might not be a real brave man myself, I believe I would move to the sound of guns, hopefully I'll never have the need to find out. However, I have the honor of associating with a number of brave men that have returned fire, and have the medals to prove it, there is nothing dumb about any of them, and they would do so again in a heart beat.

 

[BosnMate]

Unless I misread history the violence you describe during the civil rights movement was carried out by opponents to the movement - correct? So after this violence if MLK would have made a call to arms how do you think things would have played out?

That's what I was trying to say, I think it would have happened anyhow, although it probably would have taken longer, but the time had come, and it was going to happen one way or another, governor Wallace or not.

 

[kuger]

I fundamentally disagree with you. A less than smart gang banger will hold the gun sideways and throw lead, killing by standers. A brave man will stand there, get a good sight picture and squeeze off a shot, killing the ignorant gang banger. Trouble is, in Chicago it's one ignorant gang banger shooting at another ignorant gang banger, because people that could do something about it are denied the use of firearms. Regarding special ops soldiers, how many do you know? What gives you the authority to talk about them like an expert? If you know someone bragging about their service --- lets put it this way, people lying about their service was never a cook, and they might fool little girls, but veterans see through the BS. Special ops might not be Rambo, but they are brave, and they, like Napoleon said, will move to the sound of the guns. There's the story about the Navy SEAL, that when asked if they had to learn a foreign language, told the lady reporter "No. We don't go there to talk." And your point about no intelligent person would go to a gun fight. Sorry, the mall shooting in Oregon was just getting off to a good start, when a CCW holder, actually breaking the law, because the mall didn't allow concealed carry on premises, headed to the sound of gunfire. When he arrived on scene he was face to face with the shooter, and had him covered, but didn't fire because innocent people were running away and had his shot fouled, however the shooter, rather than fight an armed man, retreated to a stair well and shot himself. On top of that, I think bravery has nothing to do with intelligence, some people are just braver than others, and you might just be surprised who's brave when the chips are down. I might not be a real brave man myself, I believe I would move to the sound of guns, hopefully I'll never have the need to find out. However, I have the honor of associating with a number of brave men that have returned fire, and have the medals to prove it, there is nothing dumb about any of them, and they would do so again in a heart beat.

Very well said!!!!

 

[Critical Recovery]

. There's the story about the Navy SEAL, that when asked if they had to learn a foreign language, told the lady reporter "No. We don't go there to talk."

That's weird, I was just talking about that story with someone today.
I think the reporter had "studied" by watching The Green Berets movie. They talk about post RASP Ranger language school there.

 

[0121stockpicker]

That's weird, I was just talking about that story with someone today.
I think the reporter had "studied" by watching The Green Berets movie. They talk about post RASP Ranger language school there.

I believe most spec forces officers receive language training at Monterey. My friend was also sent to harvards Kennedy school for his masters. Tower of power but ROTC not West Point.

 

[0121stockpicker]

That's what I was trying to say, I think it would have happened anyhow, although it probably would have taken longer, but the time had come, and it was going to happen one way or another, governor Wallace or not.

Dont you think if the civil rights movement would have taken up arms / violence that it would have been extremely violently crushed by state and maybe also federal authorities?

 

[Critical Recovery]

I believe most spec forces officers receive language training at Monterey. My friend was also sent to harvards Kennedy school for his masters. Tower of power but ROTC not West Point.

Yeah DLI is in Monterey, but more of the advanced Farsi, Pashtu and Urdu stuff is now done in a few places in Michigan and some stuff near DC.

 

[0121stockpicker]

Yeah DLI is in Monterey, but more of the advanced Farsi, Pashtu and Urdu stuff is now done in a few places in Michigan and some stuff near DC.

Ok, he took Thai. Trained units in the Thai military to battle drug runners in the golden triangle regions. And also did some work along he Burmese boarder. Also spent time in Philippines advising on dealing with some of their terrorist groups. Had been at the pentagon for a while, but spending in Kabul.

 

[dieselram94]

dont you have to make appointments nowadays?

LOL!!!!

 

[Backbacon]

Not trying to be aggressive here, however, I do feel that this thread being allowed to continue without it being locked due to an issue regarding "race" far compares to that of what progressed on the thread that was started by myself "NRA vs the KKK". I know that "race" is a very touchy subject for some people, including myself. Race has been a very key factor in the history of the Second Amendment and I personally feel that if we could all treat the subject like "adults" it would be aimed at a continuing educational advantage for all of us involved. I am elated that some of what Huey Newton has done for America's freedoms in general relation to the 2ND has been brought to light, as it is African American/Canadian Month.

 

[dieselram94]

I think race really should enter into very few arguments, as it is only used as a ace in the hole by certain groups. Almost all issues of our time do not concern "race".