Utah arrowhead factory?

[aspentoomey]

Can anyone provide any information on the time period or who might have made these? Any information would be most appreciated!

 

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[rock]

aspen the last 2 you posted could be tools or they could be what is called first stage reduction flakes. If you have a good rock in hand and you want to make a point. The rock is usually round.....you would then take the cortex off in chunks or flakes to get to the core where the best part would be. When you remove the cortex sometimes if it was a hard stone texture yes they would make tools with them. I am not saying either way as to which yours were done as in tools or just throw away pieces. Flakes can be tools if secondary flaking is present on the edges. If there is no secondary flaking it is Debitage which is just scrap. You should look more in the area you found those cause there might be better artifacts in that same area. PS I liked your other avatar better.

 

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[johnger1]

Aspen, I looked at your photos and the material you found is very similiar to what I've been finding in so cal.. I'm not an expert, but I think we're coming across quarry sites that were used for the production of stone tools. I've found over a dozen sites like you described and the best I've found have been incomplete tools,flakes, cores that sort of thing.While doing some internet research, I read an article, sorry I don't remember where, but it addressed tool productin sites,saying not to expect to find complete artifacts at the sites. It went on to say artifacts were most likely to be found where the tools were being used, campsites,kill sites,etc. Again I'm not an expect, but that seems to make sense. What I have been finding at the production sites have been rocks that have been crudely shaped like ovals, circles, and pears. The look like they were roughing out stones to be finished somewhere else. Any chance you found anything like that? Maybe some other members have an idea about the shaped stones might be. Oh and thanks, reading your post prompted me to become a member and submit some of my own finds.

 

[RGINN]

I think they're all just rocks. Is this an actual workable material that you would be able to use if you were in that area? To answer your question, yes, the earth can do that. You have water that gets into cracks in the rock, it freezes, it splits the rock. Some rocks are worse than others. A good test in the field is to ask yourself, what would I use this for. Then use it and see if it works, and you might make it better. We really ain't that much differemt than folks who lived a thousand years ago when it comes to gettin the job done.

 

[aspentoomey]

Thank you all very much. Johnger, I did find what looked like three piles of stone and pebbles these rocks were all within 20 feet of each other in a cove. The piles were about 100 yards from a dried up riverbed that was at least 75 to 100 yards wide. Which made me think it could have been a good spot to live back then. On the south side of the river I noticed a large amount of obsidian. I plan to be back in June so I will head back out there to take another look. The one thing I am conflicted with is that at the bottom of the larger rocks on one side there are 1 to 1.5" chips out of the rock. They look like they would have been put there to tie a stick to to make a spear.

 

[aspentoomey]

Good points rginn I will think about that.

 

[aspentoomey]

This is an image of Fremont Indian tools and arrowheads. From the same area I was in. I see similarities. Obviously I do not have arrowheads.

 

[aspentoomey]

Also johnger I found rocks that were rounded on one side and sharp on he other side. Almost identical to an Alaskan Ule knife.

 

[pippinwhitepaws]

"in the area you are in, the natives were rather basic hunter-gatherers...low on the technology ladder...some of the family groups were still basketmaker types when the Mormons arrived...not known for advance pottery or lithic objects..."

Not to be argumentative, but the above is just not accurate. Natives from coast to coast were efficient at lithic technology. Lithic material varies in quality but the natives living in what is now Utah made points as well as anyone else.

this is where the professor tells you to re read a text.
the natives that came into contact with the church, were basic hunter gather societies...CRUDE lithic an ceramic capabilities...

whatever the situation you think existed from coast to coast.