Update on Colombia and the San José

[Smithbrown]

Update on Colombia and the San José https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/ckgn18xl3j7o

 

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[DizzyDigger]

From the article:

"The British wanted to seize the ship and its treasure, but fired a cannonball into the San José’s powder magazines by mistake. The ship blew up and sank within minutes."

There's been some galactic screw up's throughout history, and this one has to make the top five. I can only imagine how the fellow that aimed and fired that cannon felt....

From the article:

"“The treasure of the San José should remain at the bottom of the sea, along with the human remains of the 600 crew members who died there,” he says. “The treasure is part of the archaeological context, and as such has no commercial value. Its value is strictly scientific.”

I believe some would disagree with this...

 

[Physics guy]

From the article:

"The British wanted to seize the ship and its treasure, but fired a cannonball into the San José’s powder magazines by mistake. The ship blew up and sank within minutes."

There's been some galactic screw up's throughout history, and this one has to make the top five. I can only imagine how the fellow that aimed and fired that cannon felt....View attachment 2172803

From the article:

"“The treasure of the San José should remain at the bottom of the sea, along with the human remains of the 600 crew members who died there,” he says. “The treasure is part of the archaeological context, and as such has no commercial value. Its value is strictly scientific.”

I believe some would disagree with this...

Exactly the same thing that happened to the Mercedes:
“A single shot from HMS Amphion, commanded by Samuel Sutton, hit the ship's magazine, causing an explosion that sank the ship.” - Wikipedia.
The San Jose is looking more like the Holy Grail of litigation than the Holy Grail of shipwrecks, the lawyers being the only parties guaranteed to make any money out of this. This is also exactly what happened with the Mercedes. If history were to repeat exactly, Spain would wind up with the treasure, but I think Colombia will keep it.

 

[enrada]

This is another biased article written in favor of Archies. First of all Archies dig up graves and recover human remains on a regular basis. Archies claim in-situ just to create job security so that they can "manage the site". Putting a picture of a deep sea dive in the article just shows how stupid and poorly written the article is. The wreck is beyond diving depth. Also Spain put out a decree to all Captains to burn the ship, sink the ship, or throw all the treasure overboard so that it wouldn't fall into any pirate, privateer or other countries hands. So there is no evidence that says the Caption didn't blow up the ship so the British wouldn't get the treasure. This decree was put out by Spain after Sir Francis Drake plundered the west coast of North and South America in his 1577 to 1580 cruise around the world. Also this material. for this article mostly came from the book San Jose 1708 written by Rahn Phillips which was about 70 pages into the book before it even mentioned the San Jose. Too bad the BBC doesn't have an experienced treasure hunter on retainer to edit articles like this for technical correctness.

 

[Smithbrown]

This is another biased article written in favor of Archies. First of all Archies dig up graves and recover human remains on a regular basis. Archies claim in-situ just to create job security so that they can "manage the site". Putting a picture of a deep sea dive in the article just shows how stupid and poorly written the article is. The wreck is beyond diving depth. Also Spain put out a decree to all Captains to burn the ship, sink the ship, or throw all the treasure overboard so that it wouldn't fall into any pirate, privateer or other countries hands. So there is no evidence that says the Caption didn't blow up the ship so the British wouldn't get the treasure. This decree was put out by Spain after Sir Francis Drake plundered the west coast of North and South America in his 1577 to 1580 cruise around the world. Also this material. for this article mostly came from the book San Jose 1708 written by Rahn Phillips which was about 70 pages into the book before it even mentioned the San Jose. Too bad the BBC doesn't have an experienced treasure hunter on retainer to edit articles like this for technical correctness.

A Treasie Huntie?

 

[Red_desert]

Just like everything else, they get an education, earn a college/university degree, the system guarantees these people will be earning a plush income. The museums will have plenty to show tourists and tourism produces income. You don't need a college education to become a treasure hunter, only a small investment in equipment or investors.

 

[Red_desert]

By the way, does this look like a Colombian emerald? The photo is poor quality, tried to improve it but still looks bad. The person didn't know what stone it could.... others said emerald and I told him if emerald the shape is like a Colombian emerald the Spanish galleons carried on board. It turns out this find is from Colombian.

Click the photo to get a smaller view.

 

[Red_desert]

Tried using sophisticated high tech software analysis.

 

[Crow]

Just like everything else, they get an education, earn a college/university degree, the system guarantees these people will be earning a plush income. The museums will have plenty to show tourists and tourism produces income. You don't need a college education to become a treasure hunter, only a small investment in equipment or investors.

I beg to slightly differ amigos. the vast majority of people have attention span of a pea. Most museums are funded by the tax payer. While some income is generated through patronage and donation. It is by enlarge tax payer foots the bill.

Museums are a play ground for the privileged. Most of general public who struggles to put food on table each each week could not give crap about shipwrecks or treasure. Museums have thousands of artifacts that the public never see the light if day in storage that cost the public millions of dollars to store.

Governments do not like private enterprise that are not bribing them. Does not matter where you go in world they all beat the masquerade of acting in the public interest.

Be in reality it is just a greedy cash grab by government and the privileged to be in control. Because to be in control is power. The lawyers will milk the cash cow for years. politicians will milk it for virtue signaling for votes to keep their snouts in trough of public funds regardless of country.

If you research and find shipwreck my suggestion is to keep all media away from it, and all public attention. As it nothing but trouble attracting nothing but vultures all feeding off your hard work.

The San Jose and many other cases of late are ongoing classic example of this.

To succeed now in treasure hunting or shipwreck salvage anywhere is world is say nothing fly under the radar, staying clear of any media, government and lawyers and build up a discrete net work of dealers and buyers. get in get out vanish disperse reinvest proceeds in in stocks share real estate and various other business ventures. Use transnational borders to your advantage as well creating companies own by companies and by companies and banking in various off shore tax havens.

Treasure Amigos? There ain't no stinking treasure

Crow