ultra rare 1964 sms quarter and half??? yes 1964 special mint set !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[thebubbasdad]

any info on if these could be it they came out of a PROOF SET !! any opinions welcome thanks!!!

 

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[BuffaloBoy]

i am by no means an expert on this stuff, but it looks like a normal proof to me, but i could be wrong, better pictures, or even a scan would be helpful,
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[thebubbasdad]

any info anyone

 

[agme]

Wouldn't a proof have a mint mark?

 

[Poor Mans Gold]

Wouldn't a proof have a mint mark?

Mintmarks on proofs started in 1968. Before then everything was minted in Philadelphia.
As for the pictures, the only proof is the 1962 quarter. Proof is a condition. Special polished dies are used and the coin is struck twice. Everything else is uncirculated.

 

[bigscores]

You need to figure out the identifying characteristics (IE Die polish lines and whatnot) of the other SMS coins and compare them.

 

[thebubbasdad]

Mintmarks on proofs started in 1968. Before then everything was minted in Philadelphia.
As for the pictures, the only proof is the 1962 quarter. Proof is a condition. Special polished dies are used and the coin is struck twice. Everything else is uncirculated[/B].

the 1962 if for comparison!! the 64 quarter and half are not business strike coins!!! they are from a flat pack proof set!!! not mint set!! no red or blue on cello edges. these coins have flat rims but lack the outer lip that sticks up on the very edge that proofs have..i'll get some more photos tonight!! the reverse fields have a reflective finish when turned the right angle but when you look straight at it the coin has the luster and swirl as a fresh business strike. im not that much of a rookie at this .. ive found many accented hair's , true double dies that were slabbed by tpg. just this ones got me stumped... just wanted some opinions or help before is shell out the hefty pcgs fee.... thanks to all

 

[Generic_Lad]

...You should have left them in the proof set because if nothing else you could have sold them as a curiosity.

PCGS or NGC is going to be the final word when it comes to something like this because the differences between a SMS and a Proof aren't going to show up well on camera at all and I'm not sure what an easy diagnostic would be for comparing the two.

 

[thebubbasdad]

]...You should have left them in the proof set because if nothing else you could have sold them as a curiosity. [/B]
PCGS or NGC is going to be the final word when it comes to something like this because the differences between a SMS and a Proof aren't going to show up well on camera at all and I'm not sure what an easy diagnostic would be for comparing the two.

the plastic flat pack theyre in is always yellowed and grindgy looking sometimes you cant tell if theyre cameo's or not untill you pull them out.... thats why i did... i was kinda taken aside when i saw this one..... heres some more pics.... it looks like a cir strike at one angle and a proof at the other? think i finaly going crazy

 

[Poor Mans Gold]

I have never seen a 1964 SMS. In 1964 there were proof and uncirculated sets. That was the last year for 90% silver coin. The treasury assured LBJ that the silver and clad coin would circulate together. NOT. Silver coin was disappearing fast. 1964 dated silver dimes were minted until 1967, along with their clad brethren. All of this was blamed on the coin collector. Proof and uncirculated sets were discontinued. As a jester, the SMS was made for three years. Proof and uncirulated sets were started again in 1968. I have been collecting for over 50 years. The coins you have in the 2x2's, take them to an area coin show for a second opinion. Coin shows do not charge and entry fee. See what a couple of the dealers have to say.

 

[Barb-D coins]

I have a 64 SMS quarter, just opened from cellophane, might you have idea for pricing?

 

[enamel7]

First, why would you break it out of the set? Also there weren't any "special mint sets in 1964. We also can't give a value without seeing the coin, except for melt. I'm not trying to come across in the wrong way. I just find it better to come straight forward with the facts, no sugarcoating.
HH
enamel7

 

[Joe777Cool]

Yes, I have found that removing items from their original packaging always tend to increase the value!

 

[enamel7]

One other thing. You added this to an original post from 2012. You need to start a new personal post.

 

[Omega]

Yes, I have found that removing items from their original packaging always tend to increase the value!

Agreed, hands down.

 

[bigscores]

First, why would you break it out of the set? Also there weren't any "special mint sets in 1964. We also can't give a value without seeing the coin, except for melt. I'm not trying to come across in the wrong way. I just find it better to come straight forward with the facts, no sugarcoating.
HH
enamel7

Just want to correct this, there are indeed 1964 SMS sets, but they are tremendously rare, only about 5 or 6 known, IIRC. They were a late-year test run for the 1965 SMS sets, and two of the sets actually belonged to a Mint executive and were discovered in her estate upon her death.

 

[boristhespider88]

Just want to correct this, there are indeed 1964 SMS sets, but they are tremendously rare, only about 5 or 6 known, IIRC. They were a late-year test run for the 1965 SMS sets, and two of the sets actually belonged to a Mint executive and were discovered in her estate upon her death.

Correct.

Numbers #27-31 on PCGS's list of Top 100 Modern Coins:
List of the Top 100 Modern Coins

They list there being 20-40 of each denomination in existence.

1964 ?Special Mint Set? Coins

Currently the PCGS Population report shows 22 Lincoln cents, 18 Jefferson nickels, 22 dimes and 28 Kennedy half dollars graded as 1964 SMS. Some of these population figures may be inflated since some of the coins may have been cracked out and resubmitted in hopes of an upgrade. However, even if the population figures were close to the actual coins in existence the supply would be extremely limited compared to their popular demand. Many collectors who are collecting the Lincoln cent series up to the Kennedy half dollar series would love to own an example of these special coins. Significantly, there are also many collectors who love to own mysterious coins with a suspenseful history behind them, and the 1964 SMS coins definitely fit this category.

They were made as a 'test' for the SMS sets that would debut in 1965.