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I don't really know, they look like they were made that way, they are from my Uncles estate, and all I know is they come from some where in N. California. From what I've learned so far, they look like broken Gunthers, but then they don't look broken, so I'm wondering if they are a type of point.Dale you are way out of my area and know it I think better than anyone. What are you thinking?