Two bullets. Need id!

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First bullet is civil war but a small three ringer that i couldn't id in my book given the size and shape together. It measures .890 in length but is slightly corroded on bottom. I think without corrosion would be .900 or .910. It measured . 445, .447, .448, .450 in diameter depending on how you had it turned...... The second bullet is I'm quiet sure post civil war. It has been shot and is .450 in base diameter.
 

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Is it possible it's like a McKee 425 wore down in length and diameter slightly it's a .552, .919 length and 385 grains
 

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The bullet appears to be slightly wider above the base not sure if its wear off the base or its wider there from being rammed in.
 

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The very widest point looks to be maybe .52 or .53
 

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Actually on calipers at the widest point it's .545 and .46 at the bottom of the base.
 

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As you can tell from the pics the bottom does have deterioration and the top has been rammed so I'm not sure what exactly to say the caliber is?
 

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Thank you very much for going to the extra efforts I requested to solve the mystery. Measuring the bullet at its "fat-est" part solves the mystery. It is a .54-caliber. The base is smaller due to corrosion on that part.

Ramming doesn't expand the bullet, but firing a Minie-ball does expand it.

Here's how I know it is a .54-caliber:
The ramrod mark on its nose and the rifling-marks on its body (visible in one of the photos) prove that it has been fired. Firing expands a Minie-ball's body outward into the gunbarrel's rifling-grooves. When you precisely measure your fired one, you are also measuring the thickness of the rifling-marks on its body. So, your fired .54-caliber minie's body expanded to fill the .54-caliber rifle's bore, and the rifling's depth is .05 -- which equals .545" total diameter after firing.

I agree, your guess about it being M&M-book bullet #425 (or another similar-profile .54 minie, like #424) is very probable, with xorrosion of its base having removed some of its weight. Also, mold-cast minies often contained internal air-bubbles, which reduces the minie's weight.

(Internal air-bubbles are what caused "blow-through" fired minies -- and that is why the yankees preferred to manufacture machine-pressed minies, like the so-called "swaged" minies.
 

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