Joe Seeker
Newbie
- Jun 2, 2009
- 3
- 0
- Primary Interest:
- All Treasure Hunting
Saturna - You've posted copyrighted pictures which do not belong to you, I would request you delete them, you don't have my permission to display them here or elsewhere. They were removed because of all the skeptical non-sense, false accusations, assumptions, and opinions, more especially they were removed so not entice people into coming and recklessly pillaging a particular stretch of coast that I happen to appreciate. They were initially posted as a simple gesture of goodwill, my mistake.
OldGold - The coins aren't from Grubstakes collection, nor am I he. I've not been banned here or elsewhere. The project I was plugging is legal and legit, as are the coins, both are real and genuine and were not purchased. Thanks for the warm welcome, and the vote of BS my brother. I don't have anything I need to prove to you. Most here don't have the resources to contribute to a project anyway.
Mad4wrecks - is correct and likely could guess with some accuracy where they came from. They also as mad4wrecks correctly suggests provide clues to what lays offshore. They are finds from one specific area, there are also hull remains and other artifacts along the same beach that while no, some aren't "treasure" per se, they provide valuable information pertaining to 17th and 18th century hull construction and other details which can be unique and should also be documented. There is value to exploring the coastline for clues as well as the water, they are directly interrelated. The artifacts that have been deposited on the shores of Sebastian and elsewhere didn't arrive there from ships anchoring nearby to trade at some beach front market place, nor did the ones I posted pictures of. They are also disappearing and aren't going to last forever. You can call them terrestrial finds if you wish, I know precisely how they got there and from which vessels some were likely aboard. Like Sebastian and elsewhere there wasn't a colonized civilization or Europeans present until the wrecks occurred nor afterward, these items arrived because people had a very bad day, in many cases lives were lost, and history was forever changed.
Paulo - grow up, stop throwing rocks at people on this board and enticing people to argue with you. You have no idea who I am, what I stand for, or how I conduct myself above or below the water. You've automatically lumped me into a stereotype you believe is villainous and evil. The project that you are berating has delivered valuable research and multiple sites to the entity and people they represent that issued a valid permit; at no cost to them I might add. Information and research that they did not have prior to the effort, thus far we've put wreck sites and research in their files that they didn't previously have, with a lot more to come. We have not altered or disturbed one single site unlike your colleagues in the video you posted. Yes, we have been diving, I just don't believe it is responsible archaeology or necessary to tear into every random site you encounter leaving behind modern sandbags, geotech tarps, and an altered site. Believe it or not you and I share a lot of the same goals and ideals, I just go about some things differently than you. If you haven't learned it yet it isn't a good thing to publish wreck locations, most especially here. Some people will do most anything to have a spike, pin, plate, porthole, bell, or piece of worm eaten wood rotting away on their mantle, in their garage, or to sell on eBay; I don't. Matter of fact I don't keep or display artifacts in my home; I know where they belong and I know where to go if I desire to view them or learn more about them. If you lead a horse to water, usually he will drink it - the same applies with wrecks. You shouldn't tease people and show them where things are and how to locate them, then club them over the head when they inevitably cross the line you lead them to. That is just not how to achieve what you desire. You know as well as I, your alleged colleagues at INA, TAMU, MAHS, and elsewhere would not publicly condone or approve of your activities and conduct here. I would hazard a guess that if you persist you'll be left behind at the dock before too much longer if it hasn't occurred already. The my team is better than your team approach is so immature and doesn't accomplish anything constructive for the benefit of the resource.
Having said all that if anyone is interested in an honest, no glory, legal project we would welcome some support, email me. Your not going to see videos, maps, aerial shots, and trophy photos here, nor a bunch of self ego boosting or argumentative threads. Its about discovering and preserving history and a lot more. When and if we feel the need to excavate a site, its contents will be properly documented and stabilized and placed in a publicly accessible location and format for people to learn, appreciate, and enjoy. If you know where to look and how to find it you can easily access what you seek.
Respectfully,
Joe Black
OldGold - The coins aren't from Grubstakes collection, nor am I he. I've not been banned here or elsewhere. The project I was plugging is legal and legit, as are the coins, both are real and genuine and were not purchased. Thanks for the warm welcome, and the vote of BS my brother. I don't have anything I need to prove to you. Most here don't have the resources to contribute to a project anyway.
Mad4wrecks - is correct and likely could guess with some accuracy where they came from. They also as mad4wrecks correctly suggests provide clues to what lays offshore. They are finds from one specific area, there are also hull remains and other artifacts along the same beach that while no, some aren't "treasure" per se, they provide valuable information pertaining to 17th and 18th century hull construction and other details which can be unique and should also be documented. There is value to exploring the coastline for clues as well as the water, they are directly interrelated. The artifacts that have been deposited on the shores of Sebastian and elsewhere didn't arrive there from ships anchoring nearby to trade at some beach front market place, nor did the ones I posted pictures of. They are also disappearing and aren't going to last forever. You can call them terrestrial finds if you wish, I know precisely how they got there and from which vessels some were likely aboard. Like Sebastian and elsewhere there wasn't a colonized civilization or Europeans present until the wrecks occurred nor afterward, these items arrived because people had a very bad day, in many cases lives were lost, and history was forever changed.
Paulo - grow up, stop throwing rocks at people on this board and enticing people to argue with you. You have no idea who I am, what I stand for, or how I conduct myself above or below the water. You've automatically lumped me into a stereotype you believe is villainous and evil. The project that you are berating has delivered valuable research and multiple sites to the entity and people they represent that issued a valid permit; at no cost to them I might add. Information and research that they did not have prior to the effort, thus far we've put wreck sites and research in their files that they didn't previously have, with a lot more to come. We have not altered or disturbed one single site unlike your colleagues in the video you posted. Yes, we have been diving, I just don't believe it is responsible archaeology or necessary to tear into every random site you encounter leaving behind modern sandbags, geotech tarps, and an altered site. Believe it or not you and I share a lot of the same goals and ideals, I just go about some things differently than you. If you haven't learned it yet it isn't a good thing to publish wreck locations, most especially here. Some people will do most anything to have a spike, pin, plate, porthole, bell, or piece of worm eaten wood rotting away on their mantle, in their garage, or to sell on eBay; I don't. Matter of fact I don't keep or display artifacts in my home; I know where they belong and I know where to go if I desire to view them or learn more about them. If you lead a horse to water, usually he will drink it - the same applies with wrecks. You shouldn't tease people and show them where things are and how to locate them, then club them over the head when they inevitably cross the line you lead them to. That is just not how to achieve what you desire. You know as well as I, your alleged colleagues at INA, TAMU, MAHS, and elsewhere would not publicly condone or approve of your activities and conduct here. I would hazard a guess that if you persist you'll be left behind at the dock before too much longer if it hasn't occurred already. The my team is better than your team approach is so immature and doesn't accomplish anything constructive for the benefit of the resource.
Having said all that if anyone is interested in an honest, no glory, legal project we would welcome some support, email me. Your not going to see videos, maps, aerial shots, and trophy photos here, nor a bunch of self ego boosting or argumentative threads. Its about discovering and preserving history and a lot more. When and if we feel the need to excavate a site, its contents will be properly documented and stabilized and placed in a publicly accessible location and format for people to learn, appreciate, and enjoy. If you know where to look and how to find it you can easily access what you seek.
Respectfully,
Joe Black
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My innocent post defending nomad got deleted by wreckdiver 1715. I must have offended W.D. 1715 personally. Delete me again..... I dare you!!!!! I know more "real" players than you realize. If someone can't defend an innocent poster from a bunch of unsuccessful and broke members....it will be the end of this forum, I guarantee it. 
