Told to leave 2 parks

[spez401]

I just posted (literally) in another post the answer to this question.

http://forum.treasurenet.com/index.php/topic,87405.0.html

Get permission, and do it legally... otherwise you can end up in a lot more trouble than a few old coins are worth.

steve

 

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[lucky1777]

I have just the opposite problem with a local chief of police. I asked him if I could hunt the local park and he said go ahead. I was there about 2 hours when he pulled up. He came an looked at my finds and looked at the condition I had left the area. He then told me I should hunt the old girls school that is located across the street. I asked him if it was city property and he said NO. I asked him if he knew who owned it and he said it was owned by 4 siblings. It was given to them when their mother died. I asked him if any lived in town and he said yes, but don't worry about asking them, he would talk to them if their was any problem. I think this would be a great place to hunt, but couldn't do it without permission. I have never been asked to leave any parks I have hunted.

 

[steve71]

Here in Flint, Michigan, I have to pay $10. per year for access to detect at county parks. State parks are a freebee. However, I never get bothered because I usually go out very early in the morning, around sun-up time. I generally avoid any people if at all possible. What sucks here in mid-Michigan, is that many of the very old parks where there are probably some goodies, are overrun by ghetto, if you know what I mean. Way to dangerous to even think about going. I guess in our hobby there are always some sorts of obstacles, and the successful hunters are the creative and persistent ones.

p.s. I also use an MXT, and I love it!

HH, Jeff in Flint, MI

when i lived in MI. Flint was the murder capital of the u.s.good thing in texas you can get a consealed handgun license.you dont worry much where your at when your packin.

 

[DFX-SE Gregg]

Here in Flint, Michigan, I have to pay $10. per year for access to detect at county parks. State parks are a freebee. However, I never get bothered because I usually go out very early in the morning, around sun-up time. I generally avoid any people if at all possible. What sucks here in mid-Michigan, is that many of the very old parks where there are probably some goodies, are overrun by ghetto, if you know what I mean. Way to dangerous to even think about going. I guess in our hobby there are always some sorts of obstacles, and the successful hunters are the creative and persistent ones.

p.s. I also use an MXT, and I love it!

HH, Jeff in Flint, MI

when i lived in MI. Flint was the murder capital of the u.s.good thing in texas you can get a consealed handgun license.you dont worry much where your at when your packin.

Really flint michigan homicide capital...more than New york or Chicago? Which years?? Once again a good reason not to believe everything you read!

 

[steve71]

Here in Flint, Michigan, I have to pay $10. per year for access to detect at county parks. State parks are a freebee. However, I never get bothered because I usually go out very early in the morning, around sun-up time. I generally avoid any people if at all possible. What sucks here in mid-Michigan, is that many of the very old parks where there are probably some goodies, are overrun by ghetto, if you know what I mean. Way to dangerous to even think about going. I guess in our hobby there are always some sorts of obstacles, and the successful hunters are the creative and persistent ones.

p.s. I also use an MXT, and I love it!

HH, Jeff in Flint, MI

when i lived in MI. Flint was the murder capital of the u.s.good thing in texas you can get a consealed handgun license.you dont worry much where your at when your packin.

Really flint michigan homicide capital...more than New york or Chicago? Which years?? Once again a good reason not to believe everything you read!

i do believe it was the years around 85-89 about the time detroit was pretty bad also.i'm sure your murder rate was up then.i'm sure also they were talking about per capa.

 

[DFX-SE Gregg]

Hate to tell you this going back to 1984 highest amount in Flint was 60!!!!!!!!!! Chicago lowest over 400 highest in Chicago 979!!! Flint does not compare!

 

[steve71]

Hate to tell you this going back to 1984 highest amount in Flint was 60!!!!!!!!!! Chicago lowest over 400 highest in Chicago 979!!! Flint does not compare!

dont get your feathers all ruffulled up buddy.how big is your city?how many murders was that per person?check that way for all 3 citys?what do you get per person?

 

[DFX-SE Gregg]

You said when you lived in Flint it was the murder capital of the U.S.!!! You said that very clearly..what a joke! That is exactly what you said...wow 60 murders its highest in last 20 years ....did you feel save

Geez...some people should just stay inside!

Did you mean to say murder capital of Mayberry!

 

[LI Tom]

When they determine which city has the highest murder rate ,it's done on a per capita basis,so a city like Flint could have a higher murder rate than Chicago,even if Chicago has a greater total amount of murders.

 

[DFX-SE Gregg]

When they determine which city has the highest murder rate ,it's done on a per capita basis,so a city like Flint could have a higher murder rate than Chicago,even if Chicago has a greater total amount of murders.

I think the exact words were>>>>>>>>murder capital of the u.s......let me look back and see per capita>>> nope, also looking per capita...per 100,000 people>>>>nope....St Louis, Detroit sorry....It is like pulling teeth for someone to admit they were wrong on these forums.

 

[jamey]

hey i belive steve,i grew up in michigan and i would never go to flint,even in the day time....people are just mean everywhere,even on this site,i just cant belive that it would make someone so upset about a comment that wasnt meant to hurt anyone,come on now...jamey

 

[BioProfessor]

Flint always seems to make the list of the top 5 most dangerous cities. Sometimes it wins. Sometimes it comes in 2nd or 3rd. This is according to the FBI crime statistics database. Maybe the confusion here is that somebody, somewhere equated most dangerous to murder capital. I did see that "Murder Capital of the US" was mentioned on various blogs and forums. Maybe the 2 just got blended together, posted on a few websites and started to be quoted as such.

Just a possible explanation.

Daryl

 

[DFX-SE Gregg]

Flint always seems to make the list of the top 5 most dangerous cities. Sometimes it wins. Sometimes it comes in 2nd or 3rd. This is according to the FBI crime statistics database. Maybe the confusion here is that somebody, somewhere equated most dangerous to murder capital. I did see that "Murder Capital of the US" was mentioned on various blogs and forums. Maybe the 2 just got blended together, posted on a few websites and started to be quoted as such.

Just a possible explanation.

Daryl

I think you are right! Obviously it is not the murder capital of the U.S. Highest in last 20 years 60, one year as low as 19!!! Usually averages in 30 to 40 a year range....

 

[diggummup]

I think all this hoopla over a simple statement is ridiculous.This post has been hijacked over something not even related to the topic at hand.Gimme a break.You gotta a problem with something said unrelated to the topic,send it in a pm.

i just cant belive that it would make someone so upset about a comment that wasnt meant to hurt anyone,come on now...jamey

Exactly

 

[hollowpointred]

seems this thread needs a little house cleanin`

 

[steve71]

When they determine which city has the highest murder rate ,it's done on a per capita basis,so a city like Flint could have a higher murder rate than Chicago,even if Chicago has a greater total amount of murders.

I think the exact words were>>>>>>>>murder capital of the u.s......let me look back and see per capita>>> nope, also looking per capita...per 100,000 people>>>>nope....St Louis, Detroit sorry....It is like pulling teeth for someone to admit they were wrong on these forums.

could you anwser one little ? how many people in flint?simple? i will admit i am wrong i realy dont worry about it.say you have 100,000 people in your city 60 killed in one year,that would be 1 killed for ever 1666 people in your city.thats not good odds.thats my point.you even admit you wont even walk in different areas.thats ashame anywhere you live.if chicago has 3 million people and 600 murders a year that would be a murder for every 5000 people.better odds in chicago than flint.do you understand what i'm saying?guess i'm wrong and i dont care if i am. you can keep flint mi.

 

[lucky1777]

seems this thread needs a little house cleanin`

I agree, and maybe a little talk to from the big guys.

 

[LuisTH]

Well, i went to a park that is close to my home. I have been in the park before and it seems a good site to MD. I saw a couple who were playing with their dog, i approached them casually and asked them if they knew who was the groundskeeper of the park, or the person in charge of the park. They didn't know and asked if they could help. I told them that I was trying to find if it was allowed to MD in the park, they said they didn't see any problem with it. Of course i thanked them, but went to look for someone else that works in the park. The park is pretty big and I just went looking for anyone who seemed to work there, without any of my tools.

I found a lady that works in a coffe shop inside the park, and asked the same question. She said there was noone taking care of the park, which is why the grass is so tall. She also told me she saw no reason why i couldn't MD there, but to be safe I am going to ask a female poclie officer i have talked to before who works at the court house in the downtown area. It is better to be safe than sorry i'll always say.

I did some MD, without digging, after i had talked to the woman working at the coffe shop, and got a lot of good signs at about 5"- 6", bending the grass all the way down. It is going to be hell digging here, the grass is about 5" high and it is well packed together.

 

[Tom_in_CA]

LuisTH, why would you need to ask to detect at a public park? Seems kind of like "asking permission" to swing from the monkey bars, or drink from the fountain, etc.... The minute you start thinking that your hobby is somehow illegal or evil, it will be a self-fullfilling prophesy. Bureaucrats will scratch their heads at your question, 'cuz odds are, no rules existed, and no one previously gave it any thought. Worse yet, they may invent a rule "to address this pressing issue". Just go!

 

[dven55]

Do your due diligence! Don't ask!

I would NEVER ask a bureaucrat ... I would check the net look up the park/city and try to find out that way. when at a park i would look for a posting if none then hunt! If asked i would have a copy of what the law was pertaining to that particular park/city/town and show it to the person questioning your right to be there, if they were an employee of the city/county/state.

Asking brings attention to what you are doing. Attention brings debate by officials which maybring a vote for another new law on top of the ridiculous amount of current laws which limit and or prohibit our rights.

Tom is right!

Ding-Ding! round two. Here we go again :P

I don't ask to hunt public parks. If someone has an issue, they're welcome to tell me. If you go asking at each city's city hall, you risk a "no" from some bureaucrat, who has images of geeks with shovels, when in fact, no rules existed.

I don't know what the problem is in NY or other states, but here in CA, people hunt parks and think of themselves no differently than anyone else using any other park facility. No wait ... I take that back...... I do know first-hand of 2 instances where someone asked to use (md) at parks. In each case, they were told "no"here. At the first one, several others in that town had md'd there, un-restricted, in full view of God and everyone, for years. All of the sudden, one day, they got booted. When they asked "why?", they got the answer "the supervisor says so now". They then found out through the grapevine that a newbie had gone to the ranger's kiosk the previous week asking permission. The ranger looked it up in their book, found something they thought applied, and told him "no". I guess from then after, when they subsequently saw other md'rs, it was still fresh in their mind, as if to say "hey wait, there's one of THEM".

In the other situation I recall, someone in my town asked at city hall if they could md at our central park. He got a "no", and promptly told us veterans, as he met us at our club meeting, that it was "illegal". That was news to us! We'd md'd there without so much as a "boo". Funny thing was, we continued to detect there, and still, to this day, no one ever says a thing, other than "can you help me find a sprinkler head please?"

So maybe I'm just in a relaxed area, but I would still take this stance to any state I traveled too. The only exception would be obvious historic monuments.

Sorry to repeat these examples that have come up only a few weeks ago, but I fear that all we md'rs do is to paint ourselves into a self-fulfilling prophesy by walking on pins and needles all the time, as if there were something inherently wrong with us, or our hobby. Sure, maybe here and there someone might have an issue. Heck, I've even been booted a time or two. Sometimes I just let that park cool off, and return at a different time, and never again get bothered. Chances are it was a bored cop with nothing to do, or a gardener having a bad day, an isolated complaint, etc..... And yes, maybe there *might* be a city with a universal rule that is, in fact, enforced. They are welcome to tell you, and then you just hit another city instead of that one.