Those that have been scammed..

[aarthrj3811]

Re: Those that have been scammed..
Reply To This Topic #552 Posted Yesterday at 08:14:05 PM

Hey humble..You hit the nail on the head in all your answers..Then the insults and misinformation started...

I am a fair Dowser and have found and recovered many pounds of gold with Dowsing Rods. I know when I am dowsing and when I am using a LRL...I use a LRL because they are faster and provide me with more information than can be obtained with a set of Dowsing Rods.

I have preformed my own Double Blind test more than 30 times and have administered it to 10 or 15 other LRL users..

Looks to me that you are asking question so you will be an informed consumer..The Skeptics don’t like that because they think like the government ..It is your money and not the governments or the skeptics to spend...

You may want to look into VHF MFD’s...They are illegal to sell in the US but the home made one I used was very powerfull...Art

 

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[EE THr]

Re: Those that have been scammed..
Reply To This Topic #552 Posted Yesterday at 08:14:05 PM

Hey humble..You hit the nail on the head in all your answers..Then the insults and misinformation started...

I am a fair Dowser and have found and recovered many pounds of gold with Dowsing Rods. I know when I am dowsing and when I am using a LRL...I use a LRL because they are faster and provide me with more information than can be obtained with a set of Dowsing Rods.

I have preformed my own Double Blind test more than 30 times and have administered it to 10 or 15 other LRL users..

Looks to me that you are asking question so you will be an informed consumer..The Skeptics don’t like that because they think like the government ..It is your money and not the governments or the skeptics to spend...

You may want to look into VHF MFD’s...They are illegal to sell in the US but the home made one I used was very powerfull...Art

Can You Scientifically Prove to the World That LRLs Work?


A Dozen Points Proving LRL Fraud

 

[aarthrj3811]

Re: Those that have been scammed..
Reply To This Topic #552 Posted Yesterday at 08:14:05 PM

Hey humble..You hit the nail on the head in all your answers..Then the insults and misinformation started...

I am a fair Dowser and have found and recovered many pounds of gold with Dowsing Rods. I know when I am dowsing and when I am using a LRL...I use a LRL because they are faster and provide me with more information than can be obtained with a set of Dowsing Rods.

I have preformed my own Double Blind test more than 30 times and have administered it to 10 or 15 other LRL users..

Looks to me that you are asking question so you will be an informed consumer..The Skeptics don’t like that because they think like the government ..It is your money and not the governments or the skeptics to spend...

You may want to look into VHF MFD’s...They are illegal to sell in the US but the home made one I used was very powerfull...Art

Can You Scientifically Prove to the World That LRLs Work?


A Dozen Points Proving LRL Fraud

Please tell us what tis has to do with what you quoted?

It is a common psychological problem in that insecure people tend to project their personal deficiencies unto another in self defense, they are sure trying to pass theirs lack of knowledge over to you

 

[EE THr]

Re: Those that have been scammed..
Reply To This Topic #552 Posted Yesterday at 08:14:05 PM

Hey humble..You hit the nail on the head in all your answers..Then the insults and misinformation started...

I am a fair Dowser and have found and recovered many pounds of gold with Dowsing Rods. I know when I am dowsing and when I am using a LRL...I use a LRL because they are faster and provide me with more information than can be obtained with a set of Dowsing Rods.

I have preformed my own Double Blind test more than 30 times and have administered it to 10 or 15 other LRL users..

Looks to me that you are asking question so you will be an informed consumer..The Skeptics don’t like that because they think like the government ..It is your money and not the governments or the skeptics to spend...

You may want to look into VHF MFD’s...They are illegal to sell in the US but the home made one I used was very powerfull...Art

Can You Scientifically Prove to the World That LRLs Work?


A Dozen Points Proving LRL Fraud

Please tell us what tis has to do with what you quoted?

It is a common psychological problem in that insecure people tend to project their personal deficiencies unto another in self defense, they are sure trying to pass theirs lack of knowledge over to you

It pertains to the nonsense you posted, which I colored red.

I see that when you have no facts to back up your nonsense, you are still trying to lean on your amateur sickology. And you still fantisize that facts are "lack of knowledge." That fits right in with your LRL promotions!







Don't be a doof---show the proof!

P.S. When will you man-up and take Carl's double-blind test, and collect the $25,000.00?
A Dozen Points Proving LRL Fraud These points have never been rationally refuted.

 

[aarthrj3811]

Gee EE..You have proved that we only have two chooses. One is what you highlighted or the words from you idle. Which do you prefer?
http://www.cfpf.org.uk/articles/background/nicholls.html
A Self-Confessed Liar
To be fair, he has never claimed to be anything other than a showman, best expressed by his own remark,
'I am a charlatan, a liar, a thief and a fake altogether.'

 

[EE THr]

Gee EE..You have proved that we only have two chooses. One is what you highlighted or the words from you idle. Which do you prefer?
http://www.cfpf.org.uk/articles/background/nicholls.html
A Self-Confessed Liar
To be fair, he has never claimed to be anything other than a showman, best expressed by his own remark,
'I am a charlatan, a liar, a thief and a fake altogether.'

It is obvious that he is merely saying that he is an entertainer, and does not have "paranormal powers."


And I'm not limiting you to anything, except valid, scientific proof to the World. How you accomplish that is entirely your own problem---not mine, nor anyone elses.

However, it's obvious that if anyone could get an LRL to actually work, they would have collected the prize money by now.

If you try to fight fact with fiction, you will always lose in the long run.






Can You Scientifically Prove to the World That LRLs Work?

Don't be a doof---show the proof!

P.S. When will you man-up and take Carl's double-blind test, and collect the $25,000.00?

A Dozen Points Proving LRL Fraud These points have never been rationally refuted.

 

[aarthrj3811]

Darn EE...You have admitted that no one has been scammed..You insist on posting the same old twist and spin..then when you get caught you start ducking and dodging..So after almost two years of giving the people who the skeptics claim have been scammed a chance to tell their story I will lock this thread...Art

 

[Truffles_EOD]

Can these companies such as OKM really be allowed to continue selling such expensive products if they don't work? I'm wondering why they would take such a risk especially after the likes of James McCormick getting 10 years for fraud over the ADE 651 so called Explosives Detector Wand... Just a Thought! but if these do not do what they are described as doing then surely this is fraud under many countries Laws.

I'd certainly like to see actual experienced/respected Detectorists come in here and show evidence of their findings if these products do work as stated.

 

[aarthrj3811]

The evidence is all over this board and so are the rude remarks made about it….Art

 

[Truffles_EOD]

Hi Art, Do you have one of the Locators mentioned? I will look through the 33 pages when I get a chance.

 

[aarthrj3811]

I own a Prospector made by Bob Yokum, a Omni Range Master, a Si-Go and a Ranger Tell TG...Two of those were purchased to do searches that required them....the first was in 1998 and all four of them are still working.........Art

 

[signal_line]

Yeah, I tell everyone don't buy anything off ebay and stay as far away as you can from anything that has a control box on a swivel handle. I'm not saying all of these are pure fraud, yes, some are but definitely there are better devices available. You want something that you set on the ground and wait a couple minutes for the discriminated signal line to develop. (This is like holding a microphone up to a loudspeaker. The feedback gets very loud if the target is in resonance.) Then circle the transmitter with an L-rod and watch for a response. This by far is the best discrimination you can get. I can get you a low-priced unit.

 

[aarthrj3811]

If you want to use the old style, old technology and rods that’s OK....If you want to use equipment that does not give you the depth, weight or distance to the target that’s OK to.....For myself it does not help me to locate targets that on 50 foot deep after walking miles to learn that bit of information...or finding that the target is a couple flakes of gold...What is information worth?....Art

 

[signal_line]

The people who can't use the frequency generators most likely never learned to use the L-rod no matter what they try to tell you otherwise. You must learn some form of meditation even just the basic breathing exercises in order to get the pure, clear focus. Sure, some people are able to learn it by hit and miss but you figure it takes ten times longer and there must be quite a few people who never get it. Especially the ones who listen to some internet "expert" phony who has admitted he can't use one. This appears to be an epidemic on the forums, people are putting out misinformation. They want you to fail. That's why I say they are skeptics in disguise.

 

[aarthrj3811]

The people who can't use the frequency generators most likely never learned to use the L-rod no matter what they try to tell you otherwise. You must learn some form of meditation even just the basic breathing exercises in order to get the pure, clear focus.

Well Mike…I know how to use a set of L-Rods….I have been very successful with the LRL’s that require them…What do you have to focus on?....It’s a man made signal that you can’t change with your mind.

The people who can't use the frequency generators most likely never learned to use the L-rod no matter what they try to tell you otherwise. You must learn some form of meditation even just the basic breathing exercises in order to get the pure, clear focus.

Is that why you have so much trouble Dowsing or using the Rod?

Especially the ones who listen to some internet "expert" phony who has admitted he can't use one. This appears to be an epidemic on the forums, people are putting out misinformation. They want you to fail. That's why I say they are skeptics in disguise.

Thank you Mike….You have told use how you don’t trust your rods…..Art

 

[signal_line]

I'm not saying every one of those control boxes on a swivel handle are frauds. They are mostly way over-priced. One device uses a $50 freq generator and costs over a $1200. As bad as that sounds, there are others that are just as big a rip-off.

Besides not developing a discriminates signal line, these CBOASH (control box on a swivel handle) are just clumsy and awkward. If you just can't stand not using one at least hold it in your free hand and and use a solid handle L-rod in your dominate/positive hand. For most men this is your right hand. For most women it is the left hand. Don't be fooled by the phony voltage meter "test". You need a special device to measure the voltage in the human body. As far as I know there is no multi-meter that will work. In about a thousandth of a second the body voltage is discharged and the meter will just wander back and forth. You might think it is working but it is not. Again, this is the kind of misinformation that is being pushed. I'd like to believe these people are just not bright enough to understand, maybe they are just superstitious beyond belief. But I have seen the way the skeptics work and they are capable of just about anything. And yes, many people have bought into this.

 

[aarthrj3811]

Besides not developing a discriminates signal line, these CBOASH (control box on a swivel handle) are just clumsy and awkward.

Gee…The one I have can be held with your hand and is not clumsy and awkward. Or you can set it on the ground and use L-Rods to follow the signal

If you just can't stand not using one at least hold it in your free hand and and use a solid handle L-rod in your dominate/positive hand. For most men this is your right hand. For most women it is the left hand.

Why do that…If I wanted to Dowse I would Dowse

Don't be fooled by the phony voltage meter "test". You need a special device to measure the voltage in the human body. As far as I know there is no multi-meter that will work. In about a thousandth of a second the body voltage is discharged and the meter will just wander back and forth.

I guess you have never worked with Mil-volts

You might think it is working but it is not. Again, this is the kind of misinformation that is being pushed. I'd like to believe these people are just not bright enough to understand, maybe they are just superstitious beyond belief. But I have seen the way the skeptics work and they are capable of just about anything. And yes, many people have bought into this.

Yes you and them are…..Art

 

[signal_line]

Of course it won't do much good to hold a fake LRL in your free hand. You will have to use some type of frequency generator. And I also should have said the sweep method is not much use here. You want to use the "box in" method. This one you walk until you get a response, then the target is either to your left or right. Turn 90 degrees and walk along this line until you get another response, or if not, turn the opposite way and walk that direction until you get a response. The idea is to continue to make a smaller box around the target area until you are close enough to zero in on the target.

 

[aarthrj3811]

NO…..The LRL will swing and point to the target where you first encounter a signal….At that spot you can determine the distance, depth and weight..There are more than a few methods to then follow the signal..The box in method is one of them so you should read how to do it right…Art

 

[Gold Maven]

I don't want to say they don't work, because I have no proof.

It just seems a little too good to be true, a hand held instrument that can locate treasure miles away.

We are all familiar with conventional metal detectors, that are quite a bit bigger, and have a limited range of a foot or two.

I wonder, If these things work so well, where are all the treasure pics?

I know aarthrj3811 you have said in the past that you have posted some "treasure found" pics here, but I looked back through dozens of pages of your posts, and couldn't find any. If you have some, please post a link. thanks.