The Whole CSA HUGE Money Hoax

[bigscoop]

ECS, you are looking at only the fox that the KGC wanted the Yankees to chase-------there were millions hid during the war and most is still buried.

So the KGC is the south, again?

 

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[gollum]

So the KGC is the south, again?

Scoop,

To be fair, the KGC was and is ONLY about the South (Confederacy).

When I say "things in documents that reference other documents", I mean that say Jefferson Davis writes a book about the Civil War while in Federal Custody after the war. Something in that book references a document regarding Confederate Money that should still be around, but that document is missing.

Mike

 

[ECS]

ECS, you are looking at only the fox that the KGC wanted the Yankees to chase-------there were millions hid during the war and most is still buried.

While there were members of the KGC in the Confederate government,ie Davis,Benjamin,Breckinridge,as well as Freemasons,etc,the CSA and KGC are NOT one and the same.
The records of the Confederate Treasury are available from THE LIBRARY OF CONGRESS:

REPORTS OF THE SEC OF THE TREASURY OF THE CSA 1861-1865
Call# 1-5071 Reel 1pos2
In Feb 1862,Sec Treasury Sec Christopher G Memminger had the remaing 900oz of gold and 17,000oz of silver from the captured US mint at New Orleans shipped to CSA ASSAY OFFICE in Dalonega,Ga.Lewis Quillian,assayer at Dahlonega,job was to convert the gold and silver into bars,and then ship them Thomas Metcalf,Confederate Depository Bank in Augusta,Ga.Quillian crated and shipped the bars by wagon,Oct 11,1862,for the train in Atlanta that would take the bars to Augusta.It never arrived.Memminger considered this a major loss for the treasury of the Confederacy,an amount which was about $38,570 in 1862.

 

[bigscoop]

bigscoop, You need to get out of placing everything in a specific category. If you did your research instead of asking questions about the KGC you would know that they were world in expanse and still are today. KGC means Knights of the Golden Circle and the Golden Circle was from the Florida coast around Texas and Mexico to the Yucatan Peninsula and included all of the Caribbean. So yes the KGC is the South.

I understand a little bit about it. You and I and Reb have been discussing this for years, long before I ever became Bigscoop on this forum.

 

[bigscoop]

Scoop,

To be fair, the KGC was and is ONLY about the South (Confederacy).

When I say "things in documents that reference other documents", I mean that say Jefferson Davis writes a book about the Civil War while in Federal Custody after the war. Something in that book references a document regarding Confederate Money that should still be around, but that document is missing.

Mike

I know what you mean. It's all good. You'd just have to know the entire history of this long time debate that's taking place. We've been here many, many times before.

 

[Rebel - KGC]

At Rocky Face Mountain... or, was it Stone Mountain...? PROBABLY Stone Mountain!

 

[bigscoop]

The bars of gold and silver never arrived in Augusta because the KGC took it and placed it in a depository.

And this is recorded, where? Where is it even seriously hinted? Granted, the treasury being buried and/or hidden is a possible theory. But the KGC? "Excuse us you armed southern military dudes, but we're taking your remaining treasury now so we can put it with the other hidden KGC stuff. Hope you didn't have plans for it any longer. Thanks!"

 

[ECS]

The bars of gold and silver never arrived in Augusta because the KGC took it and placed it in a depository.

That could be a possibilty concerning the events in May 1865 at Dionysius Chennault's plantation in Washington,Ga,but on May 24,the Union had seized the remaining gold and silver.
As for the 1862 Dahlonega event,the CSA was winning the War against the Northern aggressors,and their was no need for the KGC to deposit gold and silver.
KGC Benjamin was CSA Sec of State,KGC John Slidel was in England and France securing loans and investments for the Cause,and Pike was recruiting Stand Waite and Native Americans to secure the West for the South.
...and there was Quantrill in Kansas and Missouri and CSA Gen Joe Shelby and his IRON BRIGADE...they were not making deposits.

 

[bigscoop]

The Civil War fractured many bonds and relations.

 

[ECS]

And this is recorded, where? Where is it even seriously hinted? Granted, the treasury being buried and/or hidden is a possible theory...

Many of the lost Confederate gold stories appeared in the treasure mags of the 50's and 60's-the most common involved a Confederate paymaster being attacked by Union troops and if in Florida Union gunboats-the amounts given were always between $250,000-$500,000.First off ,Paymasters,either Union or Confederate did not carry large amounts of gold or silver specie,but had paper currency.Second,Memminger was highly upset with the loss of $38,750 and wrote letters about that loss-a loss of $250,00-500,000 in gold and silver would have been a major catastrophe and would have been noted.
The few gold tranactions that occured with the Confederacy were with the CSA "Cow Calvary" around Fort Meade,because cracker cowmen,Jacob Summerlin and Mose Barber,among others,did not accept Confederate currency,and on the "Swamp Gold "thread I have detailed the true tale of lost 50 lbs of Cuban & Spanish specie (about $12,000 1864),nowhere near the amounts listed in other tales and legends.
It is possible that the 1885 "BEALE PAPERS" are based on hidden Confederate treasure,because of the events in Danville with Benjamin and Hutter,and the VMI connection,and the key may well be a certain copy of Vattel's 'Law of Nations'.
Yes,the KGC had vaults,most members were businessmen before the War,and remained businessmen after the War,but most of the assets were depleted,and not in the millions or billions,during Reconstruction.
Former CSA Sec of State and KGC,Judah P Benjamin,while in exile in England,sent Jefferson Davis $12,000 and financial assistance to others of the CSA.
If there were large KGC or Confederate depositories,would they need Benjamin's aid?

 

[bigscoop]

Many of the lost Confederate gold stories appeared in the treasure mags of the 50's and 60's-the most common involved a Confederate paymaster being attacked by Union troops and if in Florida Union gunboats-the amounts given were always between $250,000-$500,000.First off ,Paymasters,either Union or Confederate did not carry large amounts of gold or silver specie,but had paper currency.Second,Memminger was highly upset with the loss of $38,750 and wrote letters about that loss-a loss of $250,00-500,000 in gold and silver would have been a major catastrophe and would have been noted.
The few gold tranactions that occured with the Confederacy were with the CSA "Cow Calvary" around Fort Meade,because cracker cowmen,Jacob Summerlin and Mose Barber,among others,did not accept Confederate currency,and on the "Swamp Gold "thread I have detailed the true tale of lost 50 lbs of Cuban & Spanish specie (about $12,000 1864),nowhere near the amounts listed in other tales and legends.
It is possible that the 1885 "BEALE PAPERS" are based on hidden Confederate treasure,because of the events in Danville with Benjamin and Hutter,and the VMI connection,and the key may well be a certain copy of Vattel's 'Law of Nations'.
Yes,the KGC had vaults,most members were businessmen before the War,and remained businessmen after the War,but most of the assets were depleted,and not in the millions or billions,during Reconstruction.
Former CSA Sec of State and KGC,Judah P Benjamin,while in exile in England,sent Jefferson Davis $12,000 and financial assistance to others of the CSA.
If there were large KGC or Confederate depositories,would they need Benjamin's aid?

I think you've pretty much summed things up pretty accurately, all of this "KGC & CSA huge money stuff" and "multiple secret huge stashes" simply created from the minds of men. I think the biggest thing these folks fail to account for is what all it would have really taken to accomplish such a feat back then, not much chance of things staying a secret for very long with so much activity, labor, and so many people involved. A few smaller stashes of reasonable amounts, perhaps, but nothing the likes of what's being touted in all these legends.

 

[Rebel - KGC]

COULD be that JPB, et al were sending $$$$$$$$$$$ from oversea(s) to enhance RECONSTRUCTION of the SOUTH, and the CONSTRUCTION of the roads WEST (to the Pacific Ocean)? KGC Depositories used "in-land" (SOUTH), & OAK Depositories for the roads WEST. Read up on the WEALTH of "Robber-Barons/WEALTHY YANKS; the SECRET WEALTH of the CONFEDERADOS from South America when THEY returned to America after the CONFEDERATE WAR, etc.