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The Real Story or How A “Dream” Box Is Made

Well, thanks to a former Loomis Fargo worker, we have established from this linked post some important information: Post on another forum from a former armored truck driver.
http://forum.treasurenet.com/index.php/topic,92524.0.html

A. These large money handling companies don’t pull out silver
B. They don’t allow their employees to pull out silver

I believe this to be a true fact.

Now, let’s use some common sense.

These companies are bringing in hundreds of thousands of dollars worth of coin to be sorted, re-rolled, re-boxed, palletized and shipped back to banks. I am sure they aren’t using a little mom and pop coin counter /roller. Nope, they are using an industrial size, humongous, gazillion coin per minute Binford 2000 coin machine. Keep the size of that machine in mind.

Grandma Drops the Coins Off At The Bank

So Grandpa, god bless him, passes at the ripe age of 85. Grandma doesn’t have any children or the ones she has doesn’t care about “all that old junk” they have and Grandma is left with the task of sorting through it all. Way in the back of the drawer of Grandpa’s old desk is 10 rolls of halves marked $10. Well that old SOB she thinks, I had to beg him for money and here is $100 and I can do what I want with it.

Grandma heads to the bank to run them through the coin counter that she just loves putting that saved change through. What an invention she thinks to herself. As she sees all those Walkers, Bens and Kennedy’s as she’s popping rolls she starts reminiscing about the good old days. Shoot, a couple of those 50 cent pieces was enough for Gramps and to get in the movie, get a soda and popcorn and still have money left. Oh, those were the days. The rolls are gone; she takes the receipt to the counter, gets her cash and is gone, off to Walmart to do some power shopping.

Now the CRH comes in, after he dumps $385 in halves the $500 bag fills, the teller pulls it out of the machine and puts a new bag. He doesn’t see the 100 silvers. It doesn’t matter anyhow. His bank is like mine and you can’t buy the bag, they go straight to the vault.

So now, 2 days later, lets say Brinks pics up that bag along with ten others and takes it with the others from the route to the “big old Brinks $$$ place building”

The bags come up the conveyer belt and the $10 an hour guy slits them and dumps them into the hopper of the Binford 2000. Now that hopper is the size of a 55 gallon drum. Bag after bag, all day long.

As he dumps the bag with Grandpa’s 200 silvers, he see’s a fleeting glimpse. Damn this company, I just wish for once I could buy a few of those silvers I see. Disgruntled, but with no other option, he keeps dumping, bag after bag of clad on top (with a few silvers and 40’s mixed in).

Well finally that clump of silver makes it to the bottom of the hopper and spills out on the shaker, mixing with clad and drops into the 10 or 20 or 100 rolls being filled at one time. All automated no human touch.

Those filed rolls start going down the belt, separate and go into the 10 or 20 or 100 boxes being filled at the same time.

Those filled boxes go down the belt, separate and start getting loaded on 10 or 20 or 100 pallets at a time.

You starting to get the picture. Good because we are almost done.

So you pick up your weekly 2 boxes at the bank. As you dig into that first box, every couple rolls your pulling out a Ben or a Walker; heck that one roll had 3 walkers AND A Ben.

In the end, it is a DREAM BOX. 10 Walkers, 8 Bens, 5 Kennedy’s and 12 – 40%. You can’t wait to post it. And you let everyone know that you have ONE MORE BOX, same bank, same order. It’s has to be another dream box. You can feel it.

10 rolls later, nothing. Damn, maybe they are in the bottom. 20 rolls, nada. 15 to go, nothing. What’s up? 50 rolls, 1 – 40%. How could this be? Same order, same bank, same supplier. Sorry, you already got the box with some of Grandpa’s silver. Don’t get greedy…LOL

Well just think back to the old Binford 200, all those coins, all those rolls, all those conveyer belts. Everything going in different directions.

In Conclusion

I will guarantee you one thing, Grandpa’s original 200 silver coins? They probably got divided into 2 or 3 or 8 or 10 different boxes and made that many CRHers very happy.

And all those bags of CHR coin dumps, well you all know how that story ended.

Well, that’s my theory, WHAT'S YOURS?

©SMM
 

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Great post!! love it!!!
 

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I giggled while reading this but I see it happening this way also. Thanks for the story.
 

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I would concur on this theory. Further, you could probably model the decline of silver in an area serviced as a logrythmic function with the variables of Cnew (new silver added) and CRHd (Coin roll hunting depletion rate).

Basicly, for us, the more CRH in an area, the quicker Dreamboxs disappear, as Grandpa's silver is intercepted at the bank, and the stuff is filtered by box hunters, over and over again.

So ideally, you want to live in a rural area, with an aging population in the 60s, and all the coin roll hunters in Metro areas. This would also explain why rural bank have such good ratios.

Now, with that theory, how does LJ's location test out? Is she somewhat rural?
 

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Texas_Meteorite_Hunter said:
Now, with that theory, how does LJ's location test out? Is she somewhat rural?
Or just somewhat lucky....................
 

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Lucky? No, the more you practice, the luckier you'll get.

Play the numbers, and you'll even find Civil war halves after a few 1,000,000 halves. She hits it over and over and over again.
 

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That was a very nice explanation of how this is possible. I fully agree,
it really cant happen much any other way. (swap cashed in rolls with coin
counter for same outcome)

I guess we owe our thanks to former coin hoarders :) Keeping it in the loop !

Now dont make that mistake yourself. Wont do you much good to keep it
'till your dead. But it will make future CRH's giggle like little kids when they open
the rolls up. I know I do :P
 

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awhitster said:
Texas_Meteorite_Hunter said:
Now, with that theory, how does LJ's location test out? Is she somewhat rural?
Or just somewhat lucky....................

I hate to say it, but I think mother nature has something to do with LJ's location in the form of "Hurricane Katrina". I have a feeling more than one family cashed in what they had just to get by. I hope I am incorrect.

On a related note, I believe those in Houston southeast Texas are doing quite well too which could be related as that was another Katrina area.


I have a slightly different theory about rural areas being better as well. The bag of half dollars fills up less frequently. I have run into a few banks in which the bag has been there 5 years without filling up. Lots of single old coins that someone saved slowly get cashed in and fill the bag (instead of the collection theory). Also the price of silver a few years ago was not that high, so the incentive to hold it was less. These bags get turned in only occasionally, but when they do can cause "dream" boxes also without any collections being cashed in.
 

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I don't have a clue as to how dream boxes are formed but I don't believe that Katrina has caused any mass cashing in of coin collections. Let's look at the majority of the people that were affected by Katrina. They were poor folks for the most part. Not the type that would be hoarding any mass quantities of silver coins. They live from paycheck to paycheck or from welfare check to welfare check. People on foodstamps are not likely to have any change sitting around the house much less a collection of them. More likely they are hoarding ammo. Many of them saw more money in the debit checks that were passed out than they had earned in their lives.
 

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packerbacker said:
I don't have a clue as to how dream boxes are formed but I don't believe that Katrina has caused any mass cashing in of coin collections. Let's look at the majority of the people that were affected by Katrina. They were poor folks for the most part. Not the type that would be hoarding any mass quantities of silver coins. They live from paycheck to paycheck or from welfare check to welfare check. People on foodstamps are not likely to have any change sitting around the house much less a collection of them. More likely they are hoarding ammo. Many of them saw more money in the debit checks that were passed out than they had earned in their lives.

Because as you mentioned a lot of the area was/is relatively poor, there probably was a lower percentage of people who removed old coins from circulation prior to the hurricane. However, when the hurricane hit and desperation set in, those that did get removed were more likely to be spent/cashed in just to survive.

Also not everyone who was affected was poor and I suspect other than maybe a few valuable coins, coin collections were not the first thing people grabbed when getting out of town. Combine that with the fact that there was also a fair amount of looting and other similar practices going on and you have the potential for a fair amount of silver coins reentering circulation. Take nothing away from LJ, even with her good fortune of location, it still takes a lot of persistence to get to her totals. It's not like each box is 50% silver, 3-5% maybe. I also am not trying to say that the hurricane is the only factor, just a factor.
 

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Coincidentally, perhaps, there's another post up today which I read first (it was near the top of the forum's posts, so it was probably posted after this one). It restates, in less entertaining terms, what you are saying. I believe you are both absolutely correct. Thank you for this post.
 

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Boy, The Game is to be sold not to be told! Anyways, you knows dem fools over to da coin wrappin machine be gankin all da time! Might not let some brand new duck just got hired know 'bout it, but it do go on. Believe dat!
 

I thought some of you folks new to CRHing might enjoy this story pulled form the archives.
 

Yet even more proof as to why marking halves is totally pointless. And why you find silver with marked coins, and more proof as to why you find silver with coins in boxes that have been marked.
All along I have been saying they all get mixed up and mixed before being rerolled.

Maybe now people will realize it!
 

One correction to the story (not really a correction and every location will vary)

CWI (the most common coin roller out there) uses Glory WR100 coin rollers. The most common hopper option will hold $8000 in halves and take about 2½ minutes to spit out enough rolls to fill a box.

Even though CWI doesn't state it, but I've often wondered if they use automated bag slitters as I've often found pieces of the coin bag in rolls.
 

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