The possible worth of the painting

[Videen]

Hello! Can you please help me to identify who painted these pieces? Or are they just copies? I am having a really hard time identifying who are the authors of these paintings…
I tried in various Facebook groups and some say this is just a cheap factory copy with fictional signatures, and some say it could be worth a penny.The paintings are 60x80cm, and the frames are bigger.

One painting (darker) has a stamp on its back, and the surname appears to be Fluck? And the green one is maybe for Hans Zimbal?The pieces were bought in Germany and it looks like the views in the paintings are also from Germany. Maybe these are the works of German Kunstmalers (someone who painted to make a living) and the paintings were done between the fifties and the late seventies?

Also found the discussions here:

https://www.treasurenet.com/threads/lg-canvas-oil-painting-landscape.359363/

but they did not help much, the only thing that I now know is that the canva for the darker painting was bought from Victoria Maltuch factory ...I am really lost, so the help would be appreciated here! At least to identify the signatures and the value of these

P.S. The darker painting has more strokes than the green one. Also the green one looks old.

Thank you in advance and looking forward for your insights!

 

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Judging from pictures posted I would say it is one of the mass produced paintings, by "starving artist", can't see any brush strokes in pictures when blown up either. IMHO the worth is minimal.

 

[Red-Coat]

Welcome to Tnet.

I would agree that these are ‘wall-art’ pictures of the kind sold in department stores, pop-up displays in shopping malls and, at one time by ‘art franchises’ that operated a bit like home Tupperware parties.

Even if the signatures can be reliably interpreted, there will be no genuine biography for them since the names are almost certainly pseudonyms chosen by a commercial studio, with the paintings often produced by a team of artists rather than a single person.

I would think the one with a product mark on the canvas at least is actually a painting, although sometimes they’re canvas-bonded prints which have had a bit of brushwork added to bring them to life.

Note that ‘Victoria Maltuch’ isn’t for a factory. It’s one of the trade names for canvas used by the A.S. Schutzmann company (Hence the ‘AS’ above the shield). It looks to be the mark they used after the factory was rebuilt in Herrsching after the war and the painting is likely no older than the 1950s. More probably 1960s or later.

These works were often copied from other artists, or from postcards and book illustrations. The second work is not a German scene. It’s of the Kaisergebirge in the Austrian Tyrol. There’s un uncanny resemblance to this work by the German artist Erwin Kettemann (1897-1971) from the 1960s.

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/324701376728

Works like yours usually sell in the region of $50-$75 and occasionally a bit more, with much of the value in the frame, rather than the painting.

 

[Videen]

Hey everyone,

Thank you so much for your in-depth answers. They really helped me.

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