The official Goodbye to the one cent

Sales tax is 7% in my state. How are they going to work around that? Round it up to 10%? I like the idea, but it's not practical when so many states charge more than 5% for sales tax.
It has nothing to do with the 7% sales tax.
Item $2.54 × 7%= $2.72
You'll get charged $2.70
There you just got 2 cents to the good.

Credit card payments or other invoices you pay the invoice price, except if you pay cash.
 

I had an 11.3 oz coffee can that was nearly full of pennies. It is in the house so I tried to weigh it first. My analog bathroom scales make reading smaller amounts difficult. It looked to be 7.5-8 pounds including the metal can. At 150/lb that’s around $11, give or take.
 

With no intent to score any political points (and please refrain from that in any comment)...

Trump’s statement: "I have instructed my Secretary of the US Treasury to stop producing new pennies" does not in itself mean the end of the penny. He does seem to have the authority to stop new pennies being ordered, but complete discontinuation would seem to require an Act of Congress. Sure, he has control of Congress, but that doesn’t necessarily mean he will always get his own way.

Halting production of something that has a higher material cost than its ‘worth’ would seem to be a no-brainer, but it’s not quite as simple as that. The US Mint reported in 2024 that the unit cost for the one-cent coin is more than 3.69 cents and that “There are no alternative metal compositions that reduce the manufacturing unit cost of the penny below its face value.” The bulk of that cost is indeed raw materials, but also includes things like secure transport distribution and, crucially, manufacturing overheads. The overheads don’t simply disappear if one-cent production stops. They get re-allocated across everything else the Mint produces, although that could be offset in part by a reduction in employee numbers (principally at the Denver branch, which produces the majority of pennies).

Although Musk said that producing 4.5 billion pennies in Fiscal Year 2023 cost taxpayers more than $179 million, that’s not really true. The US Mint is part of the Department of the Treasury and sells currency to the Federal Reserve at face value. Since the 1996 creation of the Public Enterprise Fund, the Mint has been self-funded, covering its operating expenses and capital investments from the sale of circulating coinage to the Federal Reserve Banks and sale of numismatic items to the general public collector community. Revenues in excess of the amounts required by the PEF (known as “seigniorage”) are transferred to the United States Treasury General Fund and mostly used to help pay off the national debt.

Consequently, the US taxpayer is not directly impacted by the high cost of producing pennies (and nickels, costing 13.78 cents each). It just reduces the amount of excess revenue (generated from other coinage items) that can be transferred to Federal Reserve. So, any impact needs to be seen in terms of the overall financial ‘pot’.

Putting aside any possible inflationary effects arising from the disappearance of the penny (although most countries that have eliminated low-denomination coins say that the effects have been minimal), the overall ‘pot’ cannot be ignored, including the effects on employment numbers.

Jarden Zinc Products of Greeneville, Tennessee is the sole provider of zinc planchets (penny blanks) to the Mint, as well as being the only primary zinc producer in the United States. They have 204 employees and, apart from some niche products, the blanks are their primary revenue stream.

It’s also a mystery to me why the US has persisted with one-dollar bills when replacement with a more durable one-dollar coin could potentially save a much larger amount of money (at least $500 million per year) than any decision on pennies could.
 

It’s also a mystery to me why the US has persisted with one-dollar bills when replacement with a more durable one-dollar coin could potentially save a much larger amount of money (at least $500 million per year) than any decision on pennies could.

It seems they can't come up with a dollar coin the public is willing to accept. The Susan B. Anthony dollars too closely resembled the quarter in size and color. I have received a few in change over the years that a cashier mistook as a quarter (I'm not complaining there). The 'golden' dollar doesn't actually stay 'golden' very long and over a short amount of time in circulation, usually turns more of a brown color. Not to mention the fact that they can get heavy to carry more than just two or three at a time (at the time of me typing this, my wallet has approximately 20 one dollar bills in it).

Because of the Presidential dollar scheme as well as other dollar coin issues, they continue to make the coins while well far in excess of a billion of the coins remain warehoused in vaults by the Federal Reserve with seemingly no end to production.

Seems pretty wasteful to me, but I don't get a say in the matter.
 

It seems they can't come up with a dollar coin the public is willing to accept.
That's part of it. The fact that a dollar is worth so little is also part of it (you'd need to carry several rolls of them just to fill your gas tank, for example). The fact that it's a meaningless term on coins is another. (You can get a clad dollar coin that's worth a dollar, or you can get a US mint issued silver coin that also has a face value of one dollar.). But I suspect the biggest reason is it takes actual "stuff" to mint a dollar coin, where it takes nothing but ink and paper to borrow one (or a billion) from the Federal Reserve.
 

It has nothing to do with the 7% sales tax.
Item $2.54 × 7%= $2.72
You'll get charged $2.70
There you just got 2 cents to the good.

Good luck with that one. I recently gave a cashier $20.25 for a $9.19 purchase. I had to tell her the amount she owed me because she couldn't figure it out. How are they going to be able to round up and down on purchases if they can't do basic math?
 

Does that mean pennies will become rare, soon we will be digital money i can see it.
 

Two things...
Halting production of something that has a higher material cost than its ‘worth’ would seem to be a no-brainer, but it’s not quite as simple as that. The US Mint reported in 2024 that the unit cost for the one-cent coin is more than 3.69 cents and that “There are no alternative metal compositions that reduce the manufacturing unit cost of the penny below its face value.” The bulk of that cost is indeed raw materials...
No, the bulk of the cost is in manufacturing. There is about 0.7¢ worth of zinc in a cent, so manufacturing is roughly 3¢ per coin. That's why no other metal (not even steel) will help.

It’s also a mystery to me why the US has persisted with one-dollar bills when replacement with a more durable one-dollar coin could potentially save a much larger amount of money (at least $500 million per year) than any decision on pennies could.
The dollar coin will never succeed UNLESS they eliminate the paper dollar. Congress refused to do that. I live ~20 miles south of Canada so I'm up there all the time. The loonies and toonies ($1 & $2 coins) work great, it's what we should have done 30 yrs ago. Probably even a $5 coin as well.
 

Two things...

No, the bulk of the cost is in manufacturing. There is about 0.7¢ worth of zinc in a cent, so manufacturing is roughly 3¢ per coin. That's why no other metal (not even steel) will help.

… and I said “The bulk of that cost is indeed raw materials,” but…

The US Mint doesn’t provide a full cost breakdown in their 2024 report. However, 3 cents is stated to be the total cost of goods for production of a penny, not just the cost of the zinc. Admin and distribution add another .69 cents. Total cost of goods of 3 cents includes manufacturing, fixed costs and overhead allocation which continue to be incurred whether the penny is produced or not. The global professional Navigant estimated that the fixed components for penny production amounted to about $30 million in 2011, but I don’t know what they are today, although they will of course be higher. Jarden Zinc does not release information on the value of its contract with the US mint (which would allow the Mint's fixed costs to be deduced).

That’s not to say there isn’t a substantial saving to be made (at least on paper), but it isn’t as large as the $179 million figure being touted and, as I said, is not a direct burden on taxpayers nor takes any account of the ‘bigger picture’.

If for example Jarden went bust as a result of cancellation of contracts, there would be job losses, and the niche products it makes in addition to penny blanks would need to be imported from a non-American producer.


With respect to elimination of the dollar bill (and America's refusal to do so), for sure that’s true. Pretty much every country that has successfully abandoned a banknote and replaced it with a coin has effectively ‘enforced’ the adoption of the coin by ceasing to produce the note.
 

It won't be allowed is because the zinc and copper mining companies will lobby the politicians to prevent it from happening. They're the only reason we've kept on minting them in the first place.
 

Ive been saving pre82 cents and nickels for the last 13 years.
I don't know how much i have but a few ammo cans full and 1000s of wheat cents.
I will miss my weekly treasure hunt in my pocket change!
 

It won't be allowed is because the zinc and copper mining companies will lobby the politicians to prevent it from happening. They're the only reason we've kept on minting them in the first place.

For sure there will be lobbying. Jarden Zinc (now renamed as Artazn) spent $1.5 million between 2006 and the first quarter of 2014 on lobbying, mainly on “issues related to the one-cent coin.” Among others, they use a lobby organization called ‘Americans for Common Cents.’ Doubtless they will renew those efforts in the wake of Trump’s announcement (which is effectively a suspension as a possible prelude to complete cancellation).

However, Jarden’s driver for the expenditure is not the zinc itself. For penny blanks they use a relatively small proportion of total zinc production. The issue is that they are sole supplier of the blanks to the Mint and their entire business model is built around it. Details of their contract with the Mint are not released, but in 2011 it was said to be worth $48 million.
 

For sure there will be lobbying. Jarden Zinc (now renamed as Artazn) spent $1.5 million between 2006 and the first quarter of 2014 on lobbying, mainly on “issues related to the one-cent coin.” Among others, they use a lobby organization called ‘Americans for Common Cents.’ Doubtless they will renew those efforts in the wake of Trump’s announcement (which is effectively a suspension as a possible prelude to complete cancellation).

However, Jarden’s driver for the expenditure is not the zinc itself. For penny blanks they use a relatively small proportion of total zinc production. The issue is that they are sole supplier of the blanks to the Mint and their entire business model is built around it. Details of their contract with the Mint are not released, but in 2011 it was said to be worth $48 million.
Sounds like the costs are a monopoly. hmmmm Another reason to get rid of it.
 

However, 3 cents is stated to be the total cost of goods for production of a penny, not just the cost of the zinc.
Well, the raw material cost (the zinc) is about 0.7¢ per cent (ignoring the negligible amount of copper used) so everything beyond that is production cost (and maybe overhead, distribution, whatever). Point is, even if the raw material is free, the cent costs too much to make.
 

Canada was smart enough to stop minting Pennies in 2012.
 

So here’s a plan for them to keep everybody happy.

1. Discontinue making cents.
2. Make nickels out of zinc with nickel plating. Zinc and nickel producers are still happy, and the cost of nickels drops back below face value.
3. Copper producers are still happy because other coins use it anyway.
4. Make larger denomination coins (dollar, five, ten and twenty dollar).
5. End the Fed and paper dollars
6. Profit!

Yeah I know. Never happen.
 

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