The Heart

[newfyviking]

Here is a heart for you, there is the identical one as a petroglyph in the Columbia river, ill see if i can find the photo i have of it.

 

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[sdcfia]

Speaking of hearts, look at this one and the dolmen-like pointer nearby.

 

[cuzimloony]

"Our whole existence is a complex magnetic field, and we're only tuned to a small bandwidth of it, IMO."

Not to be argumentative, but that's not an opinion It's a fact. The vast majority of physical reality is outside the abilies of our senses....which is where consciousness comes in. Check out the double slit expirement.

Quick question though. Spirals = breadcrumbs & spirals = "follow this trail." Means the same thing, yeah?

I think the book everyone points to is saying that it indicates a path. Be it the path a river took, or the path you take...

Very cool pics by the way. That "doleman" looks neato.

 

[sdcfia]

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Quick question though. Spirals = breadcrumbs & spirals = "follow this trail." Means the same thing, yeah?

I think the book everyone points to is saying that it indicates a path. Be it the path a river took, or the path you take...
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Yeah, the guy I referred to proved that, in his experience, the spirals indicated a path to follow, which he did. Do all spirals mean the same thing? There's no way of telling for certain since there is no verifiable lexicon of petroglyphs. The carver is the only one who knows for sure what his message was, and unless the petroglyph is recent, he is dead. Another thing to consider is that many petroglyphs are later forgeries of ancient symbols - coded messages, you could say - and may have unique interpretations. Look at that panel in Post #19. The lighter, clearer symbols are mixed with older, more faded carvings, with some being similar forms. Without a valid method of dating petroglyphs, it's hard to say how old any of them are for certain.

 

[cuzimloony]

Yeah, the guy I referred to proved that, in his experience, the spirals indicated a path to follow, which he did. Do all spirals mean the same thing? There's no way of telling for certain since there is no verifiable lexicon of petroglyphs. The carver is the only one who knows for sure what his message was, and unless the petroglyph is recent, he is dead. Another thing to consider is that many petroglyphs are later forgeries of ancient symbols - coded messages, you could say - and may have unique interpretations. Look at that panel in Post #19. The lighter, clearer symbols are mixed with older, more faded carvings, with some being similar forms. Without a valid method of dating petroglyphs, it's hard to say how old any of them are for certain.

"No verifiable Lexicon"

I thought thats what Martineau set out to do? Maybe it's not complete nor 100%, but, for example, lets look at the petroglyph for a dead man. Its an upside down man in every tribe he looked at, from Yute, to Ojibwa, to other western tribes that I cant think of at the moment. There are variations in how the man looks. Some tribes had him more triangular, other more stick-like....but if he was drawn upside down, then it always represented a dead man.

Again, Im NOT arguing or saying you're wrong at all. ( I appreciate your input....thank you) Just saying that there seems to be a bit of commonality between at least SOME of the petroglyphs used by these tribes.

So.......what about the petroglyphs at the beginning of the video. I see 2 people and 2 something else's resembling people, but clearly not people. One looks like it may be a "directional" in nature with "areas of interest" off the main trail....

I could be way off. Im a PA guy where the Iriquois and Lenai-Lenape didnt leave too many peteoglyphs on rock faces so, this stuff was not on my radar until recently....

Did you check out the double slit experiment? The implication is, light (a wavelength) acts one way until an observer's consciousness (a different wavelength) is involved. Once there is an observer, light acts differently, implying that reality is determined by consciousness....
When not looking, light is a wave. When consciously observing, light becomes a particle and not a wave...... You did that with consciousness.
Its fun to think about.....for me at least

 

[markmar]

I have a book of his called The Rocks Begin to Speak.
Here's what I can find in there:
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One of his meanings has to do with the flood so, water related, at least in that case.
The other explinations were "going up" or "going down" depending on the direction of the spiral.

Interesting. But....I don't see the reason a petroglyph to "tell" you what are you doing anyway. If someone is going up, is just going up. It was carved for handicapated persons who didn't know where they were going, up or down?

These kind of writers, in my world they are called Cyclops. This came from an ancient proverb which says: "In the kingdom of blinds, the king is Cyclops".

 

[cuzimloony]

Interesting. But....I don't see the reason a petroglyph to "told" you what are you doing anyway. If someone is going up, is just going up. It was carved for handicapated persons who didn't know where they were going, up or down?

These kind of writers, in my world they are called Cyclops. This came from an ancient proverb which says: "In the kingdom of blinds, the king is Cyclops".

You didnt have to go up. You could have went sideways. You could have went to the adjascent hill. You could have gone to the spring with no knowledge of what was above. The petroglyph was there to guide you.
Its not hard to understand.

 

[markmar]

You didnt have to go up. You could have went sideways. You could have went to the adjascent hill. You could have gone to the spring with no knowledge of what was above. The petroglyph was there to guide you.
Its not hard to understand.

Is exactly what I wrote. Why the symbol to tell you " you are going up ", when you can go in any direction you want?
The most simplified meaning of this symbol, would be: " You are going to/in ", if the spiral has an absorbing direction. But this should be on the side of a trail which is one way.

 

[cuzimloony]

Is exactly what I wrote. Why the symbol to tell you " you are going up ", when you can go in any direction you want?
The most simplified meaning of this symbol, would be: " You are going to/in ", if the spiral has an absorbing direction. But this should be on the side of a trail which is one way.

Its telling you to go up.
Lol
I didn't mean to make it complicated for you.
You cant see the stone circle from that point and the petroglyph a marker to say "keep going bro....there is something up ahead!" At least it seems that way to me.

....and there are many many trails out there. Only 2 of them are in the video, however, in the video, I took only 1 of the 2 trails I showed. Where does the other one go? It doesnt have a spiral petroglyph and guess what, it doesnt go up a hill. Weird, that. And thats not even close to the amount of trails out there, within eyeshot. How many did I drive past to get to this one? How many are up ahead?
Why would natives mark trails? Why would anyone?

On an unrelated note: roadsigns and exit markers sure are nice on the highway aren't they....

 

[cuzimloony]

Is exactly what I wrote. Why the symbol to tell you " you are going up ", when you can go in any direction you want?
The most simplified meaning of this symbol, would be: " You are going to/in ", if the spiral has an absorbing direction. But this should be on the side of a trail which is one way.

Actually......there are 3 trails in the video.
1) When I pull up in the jeep you can see 1 in front, through the windshield.
2) Off to the right of the "family" petroglyph that goes down in the valley.
3) The one I took.
Three separate trails just within this 100 yard stretch of jeep trail that go three different directions......

Roadsigns is what these petroglyphs are, me thinks........

 

[markmar]

Its telling you to go up.
Lol
I didn't mean to make it complicated for you.
You cant see the stone circle from that point and the petroglyph a marker to say "keep going bro....there is something up ahead!" At least it seems that way to me.

....and there are many many trails out there. Only 2 of them are in the video, however, in the video, I took only 1 of the 2 trails I showed. Where does the other one go? It doesnt have a spiral petroglyph and guess what, it doesnt go up a hill. Weird, that. And thats not even close to the amount of trails out there, within eyeshot. How many did I drive past to get to this one? How many are up ahead?
Why would natives mark trails? Why would anyone?

On an unrelated note: roadsigns and exit markers sure are nice on the highway aren't they....

And if you are leaving the place and you are going down, what is the meaning? "keep going bro... there is somethig down ahead!".
Listen in regards to"see". You are still "blind".

 

[cuzimloony]

And if you are leaving the place and you are going down, what is the meaning? "keep going bro... there is somethig down ahead!".
Listen in regards to"see". You are still "blind".

What do you have to add to the discussion dude?
Zero so far. You've added nothing, as usual. Ive asked for evidence that spirals are vortexes and you've provided nothing, as usual.
The direction of the spiral tells you the direction of travel according to the actual "expert" (Its in the thread above. Read better), and you haven't adequately refuted or provided anything to back yourself up. Just antagonizing, as usual.

Speaking of blind, the stone circle also had 2 enterances, you'll notice if you're observant. I bet you didnt pick up on that since I didnt point it out to you. Maybe one was "in" the other was "out?"
But nope, markmar, who's never seen a petroglyph or the sups, or this indian circle in person, is an "expert" in all of them.
Lol
Good luck in your search!

 

[markmar]

What do you have to add to the discussion dude?
Zero so far. You've added nothing, as usual.
The direction of the spiral tell you the direction of travel. Its in the thread above. Read better or get a better translator.
Speaking of blind, the stone circle also had 2 enterances, you'll notice if you're observant. I bet you didnt pick up on that since I didnt point it out to you. Maybe one was "in" the other was "out?"
But nope, markmar, who's never seen a petroglyph or the sups, or this indian circle in person, is an "expert" in all of them.
Lol
Good luck in your search!

I have given you the real meaning , and you still chewing the same gum. But you are free to make up you own meanings on the spiral symbol and to write a book about them. You can write it means " go in circles until you are going to fly". Maybe some people in the future who wll have not idea about symbols, will support you.
I agree, my English have to be improved, but this would not change the real meaning of a symbol. See you later aligator.

 

[ConceptualizedNetherlandr]

That is not a dolmen ... tis a treasure hunter trap.

 

[markmar]

What do you have to add to the discussion dude?
Zero so far. You've added nothing, as usual. Ive asked for evidence that spirals are vortexes and you've provided nothing, as usual.
The direction of the spiral tells you the direction of travel according to the actual "expert" (Its in the thread above. Read better), and you haven't adequately refuted or provided anything to back yourself up. Just antagonizing, as usual.

Speaking of blind, the stone circle also had 2 enterances, you'll notice if you're observant. I bet you didnt pick up on that since I didnt point it out to you. Maybe one was "in" the other was "out?"
But nope, markmar, who's never seen a petroglyph or the sups, or this indian circle in person, is an "expert" in all of them.
Lol
Good luck in your search!

Also, I get bored of you asking for evidences, explanations and clues for anything you post. What is this? A new method of research?
Instead to say "thanks" for the info the other members are offering to you, you are keeping you own believes on the subject, making the others to feel bad they wrote about it.
If you are supporting your theory, why are you asking others for opinions and help? It's a game or what?

 

[point hunter]

When not looking, light is a wave. When consciously observing, light becomes a particle and not a wave...... You did that with consciousness.
Its fun to think about.....for me at least

On a lighter note, if I can change a light wave to particles with my mind, then I should be able to direct that particle beam with said mind. I bet it would pop a bag of "jiffy pop" in no time. Lol, just messing with you.

 

[cuzimloony]

On a lighter note, if I can change a light wave to particles with my mind, then I should be able to direct that particle beam with said mind. I bet it would pop a bag of "jiffy pop" in no time. Lol, just messing with you.

You can do much more than pop popcorn
The secret is realizing the popcorn isn't really there Neo!

 

[cuzimloony]

Also, I get bored of you asking for evidences, explanations and clues for anything you post. What is this? A new method of research?
Instead to say "thanks" for the info the other members are offering to you, you are keeping you own believes on the subject, making the others to feel bad they wrote about it.
If you are supporting your theory, why are you asking others for opinions and help? It's a game or what?

You're just mad because I didnt thank you and crowd sourcing has been around for a few decades now. Nothing new under the sun anyway........
Read better.
If you say its a vortex and provide nothing to back it up other than "markmar says so" then Im going to ask for more, because I put about as much trust in what you say as I do the History Channel now. Zero, especially after I already went to one of your "spots" as a favor to help you out, and realized it was a complete waste of time, just like your posts, remember? You're welcome!
Did you thank me for trying to help you?? Just antagonizing, as usual.

Deal with it or go out in the field and do your own treasure hunting. The other people contributing in the thread actually have evidence to back up their statements, which is appreciated. You have nothing. Get bent.

 

[cuzimloony]

Also, I get bored of you asking for evidences, explanations and clues for anything you post. What is this? A new method of research?
Instead to say "thanks" for the info the other members are offering to you, you are keeping you own believes on the subject, making the others to feel bad they wrote about it.
If you are supporting your theory, why are you asking others for opinions and help? It's a game or what?

Actually, I never asked for anyone's opinion on this. I posted a video and said "have fun!" Then a discussion came up around petroglyphs. Then YOU said a spiral was a vortex which prompted my ONLY question up until that point..... which was: Can you show me somewhere that associates spirals and vortexes? And you had no answer. None.

I enjoyed the discussion. Sdcfia brought up water. We chatted about it. I wasnt convinced that aplied in this particular case, and I thanked him and said maybe it applies elsewhere though. Normal above board stuff.

Pointhunter brought up the history channel. Cool. Im not convinced by the history channel, BUT he's showing somewhere that associates vortexes and spirals. Awesome!

Then you come charging in, antagonizing, making things up, as usual. Not backing yourself up, but arguing and fighting with anyone who disagrees with you, just like in your last email to me. This will probably be the last time I acknowledge you, anywhere. Especially after your last private email to me. Absolute garbage.

 

[sdcfia]

. . . .

Did you check out the double slit experiment? The implication is, light (a wavelength) acts one way until an observer's consciousness (a different wavelength) is involved. Once there is an observer, light acts differently, implying that reality is determined by consciousness....
When not looking, light is a wave. When consciously observing, light becomes a particle and not a wave...... You did that with consciousness.
Its fun to think about.....for me at least

That's because consciousness creates matter. This is why particle physics, while useful for most predictions of phenomena, is not an explanation of the material universe. This is why Tesla allegedly referred to Einstein as a fuzzy-haired idiot.