The Enigmatist Circle

[ECS]

Hmmm . . .

What does Jean Laf's cryptography solution(s) say?

That is a very good question.

 

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[Rebel - KGC]

Hmmm . . . The NSA doc dated April 1972 (page 12 of pdf) says "within 5 miles of Buford's Tavern".

https://www.nsa.gov/news-features/declassified-documents/beale-papers/assets/files/doc656726.pdf

That puts The Enigmatist Circle center within that 5 mile radius.

What does Jean Laf's cryptography solution(s) say?

HA! In GENERAL, "NO reference to 'Beale party' FOUND!"... (NSA). Take it to the bank... or NOT!

 

[Benjamin Gates]

Golden Angle?

Does The Enigmatist Circle refer to the Golden Angle?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golden_angle

"a" = 222.5 degrees.
"b" = 137.5 degrees.

 

[bigscoop]

Given the vast amount of various histories that are available to us it just becomes way too easy to start piecing together proposed scenarios that, in reality, offer no direct connection to a Thomas J. Beale of the era or to the alleged party. Freemasonry has always existed as one of these romantic histories, as has religion, the Civil War, the KGC, Pirates, etc., etc., etc. The choices are endless, as are the unknowns of each, and so everything simply becomes a "fill in the blank" proposition. The remaining ciphers offer us the same exact process and resulting scenarios, with so much available to us and with so many codes to work with they too become a simple "fill in the blank" proposition. It's something we've all done and it's obviously still being done today. If you desire to piece together a proposition involving a party of thirty men of your desired choosing and a cipher solution that appears to support that notion then all one has to do is to start assembling whatever bit and pieces of history, true or otherwise, that he needs in order to accomplish his goal. But in the end the same constant always remains, not so much a single stitch or grain that can be directly connected to a Thomas J. Beale of the era or to the alleged Beale party. It's now 2016, 131 years of endless and hard and qualified research since the date of publication and nothing has changed, everything still remains "exactly" the same. Why?

 

[ECS]

Why? The 1885 Beale Papers is well written with just enough information to make the story believable, and enough ambiguity to make one search persons, places, and events to prove the story true but to no avail.
A clever well written dime novel of the period that still beguiles the unwary reader today.

 

[Rebel - KGC]

Given the vast amount of various histories that are available to us it just becomes way too easy to start piecing together proposed scenarios that, in reality, offer no direct connection to a Thomas J. Beale of the era or to the alleged party. Freemasonry has always existed as one of these romantic histories, as has religion, the Civil War, the KGC, Pirates, etc., etc., etc. The choices are endless, as are the unknowns of each, and so everything simply becomes a "fill in the blank" proposition. The remaining ciphers offer us the same exact process and resulting scenarios, with so much available to us and with so many codes to work with they too become a simple "fill in the blank" proposition. It's something we've all done and it's obviously still being done today. If you desire to piece together a proposition involving a party of thirty men of your desired choosing and a cipher solution that appears to support that notion then all one has to do is to start assembling whatever bit and pieces of history, true or otherwise, that he needs in order to accomplish his goal. But in the end the same constant always remains, not so much a single stitch or grain that can be directly connected to a Thomas J. Beale of the era or to the alleged Beale party. It's now 2016, 131 years of endless and hard and qualified research since the date of publication and nothing has changed, everything still remains "exactly" the same. Why?

Heh... why do you think, they called it... the Beale PAPERS Pamphlet...?

 

[Rebel - KGC]

Why? The 1885 Beale Papers is well written with just enough information to make the story believable, and enough ambiguity to make one search persons, places, and events to prove the story true but to no avail.
A clever well written dime novel of the period that still beguiles the unwary reader today.

Beale PAPERS Pamphlet, indeed!

 

[Rebel - KGC]

Does The Enigmatist Circle refer to the Golden Angle?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golden_angle

"a" = 222.5 degrees.
"b" = 137.5 degrees.

Eh...?

 

[Benjamin Gates]

Does The Enigmatist Circle refer to the Golden Angle?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golden_angle

"a" = 222.5 degrees.
"b" = 137.5 degrees.

The Enigmatist Circle does not measure accordingly to the Golden Angle. . .

 

[Rebel - KGC]

LOL!

 

[Benjamin Gates]

4 mile circle and 5 mile circle in relation to The Enigmatist Circle center

The center of The Enigmatist Circle is outside of the infamous 4 mile circle, and inside of the NSA document's 5 mile circle.

 

[Rebel - KGC]

The center of The Enigmatist Circle is outside of the infamous 4 mile circle, and inside of the NSA document's 5 mile circle.

And...?

 

[TN_Guest1523]

The center of The Enigmatist Circle is outside of the infamous 4 mile circle, and inside of the NSA document's 5 mile circle.

Looks like were Black Horse Tavern was . There was a road that went from Black Horse Tavern to Bufords Tavern . They had a bell up there and rang it ti tell the people at Bufords how many people were going to be there for dinner .

 

[franklin]

Looks like were Black Horse Tavern was . There was a road that went from Black Horse Tavern to Bufords Tavern . They had a bell up there and rang it ti tell the people at Bufords how many people were going to be there for dinner .

That road was closed before 1817. Sorry.

 

[Benjamin Gates]

Anyone have an old map showing the old road and Black Horse Tavern?

 

[Benjamin Gates]

Why close the road?

 

[franklin]

Like to see the document that backs up that claim, Not that we don't trust you, you just starting to sound like ED !

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You never post your documents. You will never see any of my documents. Nice photo you have a great profile.

 

[franklin]

My proof came from long hours going through newspapers on microfilm on interlibrary loans of which I paid for, there will be no free rides. If you have C1 broken as you say-----------you don't need anymore research---------the treasure is your prize-------Go and dig it up. When I find a treasure to heck with the story. Who needs a story take the gold.

 

[Rebel - KGC]

That road was closed before 1817. Sorry.

It was a BUGLE! Whistle... LOL! Distance from BHT to Buford's was a LONGGG "ride" down that road from the top of the mountain; hence, PLENTY of time to do the cooking...

 

[TN_Guest1523]

Looks like were Black Horse Tavern was . There was a road that went from Black Horse Tavern to Bufords Tavern . They had a bell up there and rang it ti tell the people at Bufords how many people were going to be there for dinner .

Stage Horn it was, not a bell . Good job Reb !