The Clovis Comet

[uniface]

hit Syria too.

https://www.sott.net/article/430305...yed-human-settlement-in-Syria-12800-years-ago

 

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[uniface]

You know.. if one day Ruth Buzzy Speilberg finally died and made me the Government God, one of the first things I would sadistically enjoy doing would be to issue an 11th Commandment Executive Order to have all taxpayer funded business cards re-issued, whereby the righteous titles of “Yada Yada Yada Scientist” would be permanently replaced by the humble tile of “Yada Yada Yada Student”.

I've long suggested retiring PhD and DSci with OBD (Official Big Deal). Cuts right to the heart of the matter.

Obviously the vast majority of “truth and facts” once determined by using the scientific process throughout history, have been later modified, edited, changed, evolved, or totally scraped by later studies and tests using the scientific process, and although an argument can be made that the pace of these scientific reversals or modification of “truth and facts” is slowing, there are very few who would be naïve enough to argue that what we now consider as scientific truth and fact will never change.

As an abstract generalization made in a contextual vacuum, in need of significant revision, but a step in the right direction. (Objects fall at the rate of 16 ft./second/second no matter how many times tested. Water freezes @ 32 degrees fahrenheit. Etc.)

Specifically, the location of coral beds, and the temperature range they require for life is as fixed as the speed of sound. That alone blows your scoffture out of the water and exposes it for what it is at root. The minimum cost to you of continuing to mock his paper is explaining how tropical temperatures could have existed well inside the Arctic Circle.

Take your time. Use extra paper if necessary.

Every dissenting post here has bypassed empirical data in order to appeal to a (higher order) belief.

 

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[Fred250]

Now, I am a Fortean by temperament, and therefore I love outside the box ideas. I never want to close my mind to ideas that may change everything, and I enjoy examining such ideas in a great many disciplines. But I do not adopt the attitude, "look, this undermines the paradigm, therefore it must be correct!" I mean, it's great to always keep in mind that our theories may be seriously mistaken, but that does not eliminate the need to apply one's powers of discriminating intelligence when weighing new ideas, to the same degree to which one applies one's powers of discriminating intelligence to ruling paradigms.

Straddling the fence must be difficult at your age.

 

[Blak bart]

FWIW …..a politically/culturally incorrect take on “SCIENCE”.
“Science”.. is a roughly 600 year old, seven letter word in the English language that describes or defines the process of using logic and reason in an organized and systematic way, whereby our best thoughts, ideas, hypothesis, theories, faiths and beliefs are tested continuously under procedures that are as controlled as we can possibly, practically, potentially, professionally or profitably produce them. The results of these tests are then evaluated to determine if our thoughts, ideas, hypothesis, theories, faiths and beliefs should be considered as “truth or fact” until further tested and tentatively determined otherwise.

“Science” is NOT a process that was only discovered and utilized by certain people with elite skills within the past 100, 600, 1000 or 6000 years etc. The truth is that all adult human beings use the process of ‘Science” in their daily lives, and always have.

For example; The stereotypical single unwed mother of three uses the scientific process every weekday morning when she tests her ideas, hypothesis, theories and beliefs regarding the best way to get her 3 young children out of bed, cleaned, dressed, fed, packed and driven to the day care, pre K, and elementary schools respectively, and then herself driven to work across town thru an ever changing maze of traffic and weather conditions. She tests her ideas and theories over and over again every day, and studies the results of her experiments and tests. Truth be told, she may be the world’s foremost scientific expert on that particular subject, although she probably does not put on airs of being superior in some way because she utilizes the common processes of “Science”.

Obviously the vast majority of “truth and facts” once determined by using the scientific process throughout history, have been later modified, edited, changed, evolved, or totally scraped by later studies and tests using the scientific process, and although an argument can be made that the pace of these scientific reversals or modification of “truth and facts” is slowing, there are very few who would be naïve enough to argue that what we now consider as scientific truth and fact will never change.

In reality “scientists” are merely people trying to conduct studies to learn. Sometimes they are trying to study things that are relevant and could be considered important to homo sapien life, and other times the studies can be considered insignificant, irrelevant, or trivial to the larger picture.

Unfortunately our current pop culture is at a severe disadvantage in really understanding truth and facts, in relation to let’s say people who lived 200, 2000, or 20,000 years ago. A majority of people in our current western pop culture cult stereotypically view people carrying the label “Scientist”, with the same reverence that people once stereotypically viewed people who carried the labels “Preacher, Priest, Reverend, Rabbi, or Shaman, in that people with these labels were to be considered somehow elevate d or elite and possessed an ability to understand “truth and facts” that were beyond the capabilities of those less elevated by their labels.

There are many on our current pop culture cults who have a deep religious faith and belief that only the chosen ones can truly use the processes of logic, reason and science. Therefore no one can truly be considered or labeled a “Scientist” until they are called into the Human Resources Department of the Government Agency or tax payer funded institution, whereby the Personnel Manager sets them down and explains to them how much of the tax payers money will be given them to produce the charts, graphs, reports, videos, filmstrips, slides, presentations, handouts, press releases, documentaries and speeches etc. which will teach, preach and profess the written or unwritten Mission Statement of that particular Agency or Institution. Then and only then, when the HR Manager hands them a business card that reads “Yada Yada Yada Scientist”, can they truly and righteously be regarded as a scientist in our current pop culture cult.

You know.. if one day Ruth Buzzy Speilberg finally died and made me the Government God, one of the first things I would sadistically enjoy doing would be to issue an 11th Commandment Executive Order to have all taxpayer funded business cards re-issued, whereby the righteous titles of “Yada Yada Yada Scientist” would be permanently replaced by the humble tile of “Yada Yada Yada Student”. Although I admit it would appear to be an initial waste of good taxpayer monies, I believe in the long term it would be a wise investment whereby we can quickly recognize and flush out those within the profession who currently regard themselves with a self-defeating religious righteousness, which impedes them from practicing true “Science”.

That was epic dude !!

 

[Nedhawks]

That's an interesting, fun and imaginative speculation Kray Gelder but the Bays of the Carolinas have been shaped and reshaped hundreds of times even In human terms of the understanding of the passage of time. Are you speaking of geologic layers that are deeper and have been hidden and protected from earth's surface influences? Cause the going understanding "I think" is that the Carolinas are a submergant coast, and that those craters and arcs are not very old river valleys, much like the susquehanna that flowed down the middle of the Chesapeake bay at the end of the Paleo. But that is a cool theory that I hadn't heard before.

 

[Kray Gelder]

That's an interesting, fun and imaginative speculation Kray Gelder but the Bays of the Carolinas have been shaped and reshaped hundreds of times even In human terms of the understanding of the passage of time. Are you speaking of geologic layers that are deeper and have been hidden and protected from earth's surface influences? Cause the going understanding "I think" is that the Carolinas are a submergant coast, and that those craters and arcs are not very old river valleys, much like the susquehanna that flowed down the middle of the Chesapeake bay at the end of the Paleo. But that is a cool theory that I hadn't heard before.

The bays have been shaped and reshaped hundreds of times? When? How? They really have nothing to do with underlying layers. They are really, in a very, very, basic term, a big splat. Anyone who was in the impact zone, had a bad day. There were thousands of these ice chunks reentering the atmosphere at hypervelocity, in a relatively short period of time. The sky was on fire, super heated. So many would have been impacting, the shock waves likely caused liquefaction of the entire lowcountry. You can see where these impact sites overlap each other. I could go on, but it takes a small book to build the theory.

Previous speculation as to what caused these "bays" have failed to explain how they formed. This is the only plausible explanation I have read.

Their elliptical orientation shifts as one travels from Maryland, to southern Georgia. Lines drawn along their axis, all point to one place in Michigan. There are some in the Midwest, and the shift stays consistent, the axis still points to Michigan.

The theory hasn't been around long enough to really be vetted. There are a lot of moving parts.

A fairly quick read on the subject, available at the BIG online retailer, whose name begins with an A, is KILLER COMET What the Carolina Bays Tell Us, by Antonio Zamora.

 

[uniface]

Kray -- I'm not saying you're simpleminded. I'm saying the thought pattern that attitude comes from is. We're all mixtures of the complex and the simple.

Are you discounting all scientific principles we know today, and starting over

No -- only insisting that, if we're going to invoke science, it should be the real thing.

Science examines the unexplained.
Belief (fake science) explains the unexamined.

That's why the "debunker" mentality avoids / evades coming to grips with the evidence involved. It doesn't need to -- it already knows THE TRUTH.

 

[Tnmountains]

https://journals.uair.arizona.edu/index.php/maps/article/viewFile/15757/15745.
I agree with this one article he cited on impacts but the article cited is really not revenant to anything he is saying..... as many mammoths and animals of that period have been proven to die of suffocation. We all know the heat to create the layer of nano diamonds found at impact level too. As far as flash freezing that is a theory that has been kicked around for some years but never taken hold. But it is one theory.
Is this what he is trying to say?

If reading this correctly 5% of the> oblique< impacts mass at the given trajectories of 15,30,45,60 and 90 degrees would push a plume into space . Then the material returns in a vacuum pulling space temperatures with it. That would in turn flash freeze in place all the wholly mammoths( including sloths ,camels,sabre tooth tiger etc) who were according to the author not suited for cold weather and agree with him.

This from the paper he uses from 2009 which makes sense but really not revenant to what he is drawing and trying to say. The paper proves why many mammoths suffocated as did other animals at impact. https://journals.uair.arizona.edu/index.php/maps/article/viewFile/15757/15745.

I used to do all that math in engineering I do not want to do it now,lol. But it seems we would be a fiery mess ( layer of nano diamonds we all know of)when hit according to his article then pieces of earth thrown into the outer atmosphere would return sucking in cold atmospheric conditions into the fiery mess we started with from impact and flash freeze everything....??
I think the math is correct in that paper...... Not so sure of the flash freezing though. If he was correct his paper would grow legs in the scientific community and maybe it will. He just wrote it a few days ago.
I enjoyed both articles and links though. They made me think and for that I appreciate the post.
Cheers

Thought.. Why would a large object not initially drag a vacuum of cold mass behind it? Or would it dissipate due to the entry of the fiery mass unless of course it was ice. Oh well cool read.