tejon vs minelab sovereign elite

[LuckyLarry]

SovElite, you live in Indiana, where the soil has nowhere near as much iron in it as here in the meteorite belt. And as you say, the Sov is no eTrac.

 

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[LuckyLarry]

Liftloop, I no longer have either detector, but maybe I can find some footage for you. I was shocked to find that the Tejon had such a great air depth. I know that KellyCo advertizes 20" on some coins for the 1270, it was in their ads, and may still be. The Tejon is a lighter version of the 1270, yet equal to its depth. Let me see if I can find one of those vids right now. Ok, here is an actual test for the Tejon, and as the man points out, the Tejon gets 19-20" on a nickle with the SEF coil. And as he also said the stock coil gets 16-17" on a NICKEL. Here it is: Enjoy;

KEEP IN MIND TOO, THAT ALL TESOROS ARE NOT EQUAL, SOME ARE 2" (+), AND SOME ARE 2" (-) OF EACH OTHER FOR THE SAME MODEL. But Tesoro will fine tune them if you ask them to.

Larry

 

[dirtscratcher]

Well Treasure, you are comparing a Sov Gt, but the detector in question was a Sov Elite, not quite the same animal. But then again, I spoke about the Sov Elite nulling first over a pulltab, and after it nulls it also cancels a coin while it has not quite recovered from the null over the pulltab. When 12" apart, that doesn't happen, but it does when the two different targets are only 3 or 4 inches apart and the swing speed is faster than 2 fps..

First thing you learn with sov run it with no disc. Then it hits tab and coin.

 

[LuckyLarry]

Dirt, then why own one? If someone wanted to hunt without discrimination they would use a PI, right? That's what I would do. I kept my CZ, it outdid the Sov quite easily inland AND on high iron/salt beaches too, and it didn't have the slow phase shift problem of the Sovereigns..

 

[jeff of pa]

can't say a word on Tesero

But I'd put my money on a soverein elite with W.O.T. coil
in the hands of an Experienced Sovereign user,
for an easy 4 Feet depth minimum on a 12 oz can size target.
because I've done it with a XS-2 Pro more then once.

I've given up on deeper targets so can't say more.

 

[LuckyLarry]

That was funny Jeff. Over here in my part of the forest nothing but a magnetic spectrometer or magnetometer could do that, and they would still struggle with it. Thanks for making my day!

 

[jeff of pa]

That was funny Jeff. Over here in my part of the forest nothing but a magnetic spectrometer or magnetometer could do that, and they would still struggle with it. Thanks for making my day!

Not BS

I was lying on my side, Face pressed against the Mud,
Arm stretched to the limit with a long scoop in my hand
as an Extension it is a Gustimate, But my arm is close to 3 feet long
under arm to tip of fingers, & My Scoop 21"

And others had seen me.

I understand the Doubt, But I Don't Make up Stories.

12 oz. Cone Tops

 

[LuckyLarry]

Well Jeff, that is weird, at best. I have never seen a Sovereign that did that well even in an air test in a sterile environment. Mine didn't. My Sea Hunter won't even reach 4 feet minimum on a beer can in the ground OR air, and it is considerably deeper-running than any Sov or eTrac I've ever seen. I don't quite understand that, even though I used to work designing/building metal detectors and have been exposed to federal top secret metal detectors which go deeper than any other ones in the world.. You must have been shocked too... I think the deepest I've ever found a rusty beer can is about 2 1/2 feet.

 

[jeff of pa]

Well Jeff, that is weird, at best. I have never seen a Sovereign that did that well even in an air test in a sterile environment. Mine didn't. My Sea Hunter wouldn't even do that and it is considerably deeper-running than any Sov or eTrac I've ever seen. I don't quite understand that, even though I used to work designing/building metal detectors. You must have been shocked too...

well there is your first mistake.
I had a tuff time getting 8" on a quarter freshly Buried
after a few months it banged on.

Sovereigns do not like air or Freshly buried objects.

But will Amaze if you let them

I loved & Miss my Sovereign.


"amazing" was the way I described my sovereign on occasions

don't get me wrong, I like my Explorer,
and it is way better on silver coins.
but I don't feel as comfortable as I was with the Sovereign, & I
haven't found gold jewelry since the switch

 

[LuckyLarry]

Jeff, my Sovereign really lacked in depth, in or out of the ground. I was impresses with its smooth behavior over conglomerate rock boulders and in pea gravel, but that's not where I normally hunt. It did better in air tests than it did in the ground, by far, and at about half the 9-10" it got in air.. Five inches was tops, and another one just like it behaved the same. I bought a 12" Excelerator coil for it but only gained about 1" in ground. It was no match at all for my old Compass GoldScanner Pro, Whites 6000, nor my CZ, or in milder dirt, especially the Tesoro Tejon. Of course as we both know though, your soil there in PA is normally a whole lot different than here. For example, a CZ3D or CZ70 would ground balance at about a setting of 5 in Indiana, Illinois, Ohio, or in much of PA, but not here where it balances at around 2 1/2. It's a lot nastier here, twice the Fe, and our ocean beaches are LOADED with black sand on top of it. My best guess is that your soil did help you a lot with the depth, lucky you.

I sold mine to someone who lives in a milder soil area in the Eastern part of the USA and he was as happy as a mouse in a cheese factory. It must be the soil that makes the difference, it's all I can think of.

Larry

 

[dirtscratcher]

Dirt, then why own one? If someone wanted to hunt without discrimination they would use a PI, right? That's what I would do. I kept my CZ, it outdid the Sov quite easily inland AND on high iron/salt beaches too, and it didn't have the slow phase shift problem of the Sovereigns..

I have never used a PI but the sovereign it's for me all about tones. I've had my explorer for 6 years and don't know how to use the disc because I don't know why you would want too. I run both with no disc and dig by tone. Guess thats why I don't like my tesoroes.

 

[jeff of pa]

Jeff, my Sovereign really lacked in depth, in or out of the ground. I was impresses with its smooth behavior over conglomerate rock boulders and in pea gravel, but that's not where I normally hunt. It did better in air tests than it did in the ground, by far, and at about half the 9-10" it got in air.. Five inches was tops, and another one just like it behaved the same. I bought a 12" Excelerator coil for it but only gained about 1" in ground. It was no match at all for my old Compass GoldScanner Pro, Whites 6000, nor my CZ, or in milder dirt, especially the Tesoro Tejon. Of course as we both know though, your soil there in PA is normally a whole lot different than here. For example, a CZ3D or CZ70 would ground balance at about a setting of 5 in Indiana, Illinois, Ohio, or in much of PA, but not here where it balances at around 2 1/2. It's a lot nastier here, twice the Fe, and our ocean beaches are LOADED with black sand on top of it. My best guess is that your soil did help you a lot with the depth, lucky you.

I sold mine to someone who lives in a milder soil area in the Eastern part of the USA and he was as happy as a mouse in a cheese factory. It must be the soil that makes the difference, it's all I can think of.

Larry

Soil conditions may very well Have been what helped.
When I talk of these "Amazing" depths,
I am talking a freshly Drained Lake Bed,
where the ground was pure "Glop"
( for lack of a real word to describe it )
it was the only reason I was able to dig that deep
using my hand and digger.
I also always Scrubbed the coil on the Ground.
(I lost major depth, in areas I had to lift to swing,
I'll guess I lost 2" for every 1" of air between Coil & soil )
I also wiggled the coil allot.
Smooth slow swings , But for every anomaly in my Headphones,
I caught, I'd circle & wiggle the coil. If I still felt something was there,
I'd dig. ( sometimes I'd be so deep I'd question my self, but would
usually be surprised when I didn't give up ) I think my deepest coin find
on dry land was a dateless standing liberty some where between
10" & 12" , but can't swear to that one. I got the signal,
ended up giving up on it while digging, and years later, re checked with the Explorer
and had better luck with recovery.
My settings were Disc on Minimum & Just allowed the Iron mask to work.
the XS-2 didn't have an option to turn IM off, except to go to all metal.

it was also Wicked on Gold Jewelry
If it was there I think I found it

Sort of like the the Explorer Is sweet on silver.

May actually be Tones & my Hearing that help
but for some reason I can test gold & hear it on the explorer,
But I can't find gold with the explorer. Of course it may be as simple as I haven't swung over lost gold jewelry yet with it
(small gold jewelry doesn't actually give a tone on my explorer,
it's more a thump sound so it is also possible my mind ignores thumps
unless I'm purposely listening for it at the moment it happens)

Sorry for the long ramble

 

[Fletch78]

Elite rules, especially in all metal mode. I have 3 of them and will trade my explorer for another. I'll add a wot with it for a GT !

 

[Irishgoldhound]

Can the Tejon handle wet salt sand and salt water?

 

[dirtscratcher]

Can the Tejon handle wet salt sand and salt water?

Not even close.

 

[Sandman]

Not even close.

Not all salt water beaches are the same. Normally the Tejon is unstable but it is not a beach detector as it is to hot.

 

[dirtscratcher]

Not all salt water beaches are the same. Normally the Tejon is unstable but it is not a beach detector as it is to hot.

So not even close?

 

[Treasure_Hunter]

No..

 

[picklepete]

Jeff in Pa.
I had similar awesome deph experiences with a Sov XS I bought in the 90's. I took it down to the lake Mich. shoreline to learn the machine. It took awhile, but once I figured out the machine, it was awesome. It turned out I had an extremely hot machine. I believe I had the iron mask on, disc very low, sensitivity quite high. Within 10 feet of the water , the dampness was ideal for this machine. I would listen for a faint bump in the threshhold sound. Wiggling the coil back and forth ,In time I was able to tell the difference between ferrous and non ferrous targets . I was digging coins 18-20+ inches deep, measured. It blew my mind. Now up higher in the dry sand, I was not getting near that depth, but I was still digging deeper than other detectorists, as the coins were old and tarnished/ green. Also in black soil in the local parks, again, deep , but not anywhere near the depth I was getting in the damp sand. I also detected the beach 4 miles away from the beach I was digging to china, again, I was not getting near the depth, as the first beach.
My conclusion, the soil matrix / dampness in that stretch was perfect for that detector. My cousin witnessed my diggings, so he ordered an XS just like mine, but his machine was not nearly as deep as my machine. I was using the coinsearch coil, 8". That is one detector I regret selling. I made the mistake of selling it to buy another detector. Now, when ever I buy a new detector, I hold on to the old for a few months, to make sure I like the new one better.
HH.

 

[NeilinFR]

The Sovereign is both deeper and identifies better at depth. It is however heavier and has a much slower reset. There seems to always be tradeoffs