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[L.C. BAKER]

I've never doubted that he put that slab there with C. J. Gantt's name... I've just wondered why go to the trouble of exhumation when he could just remove their original marker? Wasn't he the Cemetery Sexton then?

Also, Why a slab marker like that? He clearly got into detail of the WOW type monuments? Look at the way the bricks rise up to the marker area? Anyone who knows how to drain rain water away from foundations would do that.

Have you found Who gave him permission to do move Gantt?

Kace

If you read Kenworthy's description of a Spanish compass point and take it literally, the stone's shape and placement makes perfect sense.

 

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[Kace]

I beg to differ. Click here for an account from the man that dug him up. http://www.treasurenet.com/forums/k...er-order-american-knights-10.html#post5906861

What you are referring me to is the exhumation and re burial under the slab of Daniel Gantt in March of 1882....Mrs Gantt didn't die til 1884. She couldn't of been exhumed. She hadn't died yet.

Kace

 

[L.C. BAKER]

I've never doubted that he put that slab there with C. J. Gantt's name... I've just wondered why go to the trouble of exhumation when he could just remove their original marker?

Kace

SPITE! and the satisfaction of having the last word, even if you can't say it out loud.





P.S. He was not the sextant at that time it was much earlier when he held that position. During the time when John P.Boulware's fake monument was placed and Morton attempted to purchase the cemetery.

 

[Kace]

So lets talk about that Quote and its importance to the treasure trail.

NON ENIM TAM AUCTORITATIS IN DISPUTANDO QUAM RATIONIS MOMENTA QUA RENDA SUNT

Obviously...That must be why everyone thought he was a testa di culo.

Kace

 

[Kace]

SPITE! and the satisfaction of having the last word, even if you can't say it out loud.

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P.S. He was not the sextant at that time it was much earlier when he held that position. During the time when John P.Boulware's fake monument was placed and Morton attempted to purchase the cemetery.

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Ok... I couldn't remember when he held that position.

 

[Kace]

If you read Kenworthy's description of a Spanish compass point and take it literally, the stone's shape and placement makes perfect sense.

I see...that reminds me, recently on a Beale post your name came up...Are you working the KGC/Beale theory?

Kace

 

[Kace]

If I am wrong, why didn't he have her name inscribed on the monument He had more than one chance as Cross returned to Nebraska City to inscribe the quote at the bottom in Latin from "Cicer" He could have put her name on it then too.

I didn't say you are wrong...I said the only way to know for sure is an exhumation.

Think about this... What better way to hide anything valuable than to build a vault under the Gantt slab... Without him in it. There is sure plenty of room and the design is to repel rain water.

Kace

 

[L.C. BAKER]

What you are referring me to is the exhumation and re burial under the slab of Daniel Gantt in March of 1882....Mrs Gantt didn't die til 1884. She couldn't have been exhumed. She hadn't died yet.

Kace

I stand corrected, Thanks. However, there is still no record of the woman being entered into lot #212-02 unless she was cremated and sprinkled. As far as I know, it has never been moved since Morton Placed it over Gantt in 1882 about one month before Jesse James's reported death.

 

[L.C. BAKER]

I didn't say you are wrong...I said the only way to know for sure is an exhumation.

Think about this... What better way to hide anything valuable than to build a vault under the Gantt slab... Without him in it. There is sure plenty of room and the design is to repel rain water.

Kace

I know what is there, I have seen and touched part of it. There is a reason that monument settles on one end and has to be leveled up every ten years or so. The size of what is under it, and the shallowness of the mass at one end of the monument and not the other tends to make it sink at the foot. There is more to this story.

L.C.

 

[L.C. BAKER]

I didn't say you are wrong...I said the only way to know for sure is an exhumation.

Think about this... What better way to hide anything valuable than to build a vault under the Gantt slab...

Kace

Think about this...




Squirrels can get what they have hoarded in their hole all winter long.


L.C.

 

[L.C. BAKER]

Obviously...That must be why everyone thought he was a testa di culo.

Kace

Funny thought, but there was a predominant reason for this Latin inscription important enough to bring Cross from Chicago to personally put it on the stone after it had been placed on Gantt. Have you or anyone else ever seen it anywhere or heard of the quote being connected to anyone in history besides Cicero?

It is not a complete quote of the work, only a segment taken from a larger statement.

 

[Ryano]

The quote from Cicero "Non enim tarn auctoritatis in disputando, rationis momenta quaerenda sunt" is from a speech on the topic of nature (as in the natural world, not human nature per se).

If you take the meaning out of that context, and use it in a legal sense (as Latin quotes famously are), you get something like " In an argument , more weight should be given to reason than respect to authority" . You could interpret that further i suppose.. like for example "Just because he's the boss doesn't mean what he says is right"

 

[L.C. BAKER]

The quote from Cicero "Non enim tarn auctoritatis in disputando, rationis momenta quaerenda sunt" is from a speech on the topic of nature (as in the natural world, not human nature per se).

If you take the meaning out of that context, and use it in a legal sense (as Latin quotes famously are), you get something like " In an argument , more weight should be given to reason than respect to authority" . You could interpret that further i suppose.. like for example "Just because he's the boss doesn't mean what he says is right"

Thank You, I believe that is exactly what Mr. Morton was trying to say about Daniel Gantt. He wanted to proclaim it out loud but unintelligible to most people that would see it, and the others that could decipher the Latin didn't necessarily get the message as he intended it. Just like most things the K.G.C. left in plain sight, it requires deeper thought to process.

 

[L.C. BAKER]

On May 10, 1864, President Lincoln appointed Daniel Gantt U.S. District Attorney for Nebraska Territory. It was an attempt to further the Abolitionists cause in the courtrooms. There were many K.G.C. toes stepped on that day.

L.C.

 

[L.C. BAKER]

I see...that reminds me, recently on a Beale post your name came up...Are you working the KGC/Beale theory?

Kace

No, but they did use the same method of Numbering a speech as a key to this K.G.C. code found buried in a jar under the scales at the foot of Daniel Gantt in Nebraska City.

 

[Kace]

#OG-212-02 is a made up number. There is only #212 which was handmade by Julius Morton himself overseeing the labor.

What that number Usually means is...OG=Original Grave....Plot Number=212...02=Second Burial Under One Marker. That would of been Mrs Gantt's Original Grave and she was the 2nd Burial under that marker.

Sometimes it's OP=Original Plot and Sometimes it's A=1st Burial and B=2nd Burial under one marker.

If you look at Chief Justice Gantt's burial number there isn't OG or 01 which would mean first burial under a dual or multiple grave marker.

Kace

 

[Kace]

I stand corrected, Thanks. However, there is still no record of the woman being entered into lot #212-02 unless she was cremated and sprinkled. As far as I know, it has never been moved since Morton Placed it over Gantt in 1882 about one month before Jesse James's reported death.

I've dealt with Wyuka before on a family member buried there...Go over to their other cemetery where they have the office and records and have them show you... I'd make an appointment cause sometimes the right person isn't there.

You could also get ahold of her descendents and see what they have. Like I mentioned the Coopers are involved as of 2009 anyway... the cemetery would probably have their contact information or go on Ancestry to get it.


Kace

 

[franklin]

I have seen a photo of a man that I believe was a "sentinel" over a very large treasure. He was sitting with his wife at his side. He had one had with the back of the hand showing across his chest. I saw writing on this hand. It said something similar to what LC quotes. Something about the light has gone out of his life. I believe that is a sign that the treasure has been removed and/or used up.

 

[Kace]

I know what is there, I have seen and touched part of it. There is a reason that monument settles on one end and has to be leveled up every ten years or so. The size of what is under it, and the shallowness of the mass at one end of the monument and not the other tends to make it sink at the foot. There is more to this story.

L.C.

Can you tell the rest of the story?

If it's brick lined underneath, is that causing the sinking of the slab?

Kace

 

[L.C. BAKER]

What that number Usually means is...OG=Original Grave....Plot Number=212...02=Second Burial Under One Marker. That would of been Mrs Gantt's Original Grave and she was the 2nd Burial under that marker.

Sometimes it's OP=Original Plot and Sometimes it's A=1st Burial and B=2nd Burial under one marker.

If you look at Chief Justice Gantt's burial number there isn't OG or 01 which would mean first burial under a dual or multiple grave marker.

Kace

In Wyuka's case, the OG stands for Old Grounds. It is the original cemetery before all of the other additions over the years. Believe it or not, it was shaped like a triangle. It was also part of the original Mayhew claim "John Brown's Cave Fame) and it was purchased for one dollar by the City. Also back in the day we had to hold the cemetery book in our hands at city hall. We have seen what it looked like before they entered it into computers. By the way, that is how they found out J.P.Boulware had two graves. They went to enter him in the computer and found out he was already in there! So they buried him beside himself!!!!!