Talk About Rare,And Never Know What You Might Find!!!

[timekiller]

Okay still blowing here this morning,so you know the drill,load boat grab MD head for the river!!Tell you though two days of it now starts telling on you.With the wind,sea spray,heat,walking shoreline,and digging.But they say if you didn't like it you wouldn't do it,gotta say I like it!! Anyway found some crazy stuff today.The normal pieces of pipe both settler and indian,buttons,buckles,lead,bottle,old wood bit,and marble.Now the rare,2 indian head pennies,and if that isn't rare enough one a 1861 was shot right dead center.Last thing is half a skull.I'm going to have to say bison.It was found where I've found quite a few of their teeth.Also have found a lot of indian artifacts here as well.It was in a shell bed buried in a smelly black acidic sand.I don't know much about cow horns or bison as this is the only one I've held.Can say no one has lived here since late 1800's as this place is on an island.If anyone could know what it is I'd like to know?

 

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[timekiller]

It is fairly well established that there were no bison in NC. And since you are on the coast it would be even more impossible. There has only been one piece of recorded bison bone found on any archaeological dig in NC. The archaeologist figures it was a traded item in that there were no other bison bones on the site.

Thanks mac for your input,But to say that there where no bison in N.C. or what ever you are saying is just not true from what I read.You see the horn I can't say for sure if it is bison.But I can say I found it here on a river,here on the coast.I also can say that all these teeth I have found came from rivers here on the coast.I also know that they where pretty much every were in the U.S. Coast to Coast.And have read that they where here on the coast as early as 1700's.So knowing that Explain this.......
http://books.google.com/books?id=oj...onepage&q=Lawson north carolina bison&f=false

http://www.fortdobbs.org/history-artifacts.htm

 

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[timekiller]

It is fairly well established that there were no bison in NC. And since you are on the coast it would be even more impossible. There has only been one piece of recorded bison bone found on any archaeological dig in NC. The archaeologist figures it was a traded item in that there were no other bison bones on the site.

Thanks mac for your input,But to say that there where no bison in N.C. or what ever you are saying is just not true from what I read.You see the horn I can't say for sure if it is bison.But I can say I found it here on a river,here on the coast.I also can say that all these teeth I have found came from rivers here on the coast.I also know that they where pretty much every were in the U.S. Coast to Coast.And have read that they where here on the coast as early as 1700's.So knowing that Explain this.......
http://books.google.com/books?id=oj...onepage&q=Lawson north carolina bison&f=false

http://www.fortdobbs.org/history-artifacts.htm

http://h-net.msu.edu/cgi-bin/logbrowse.pl?trx=vx&list=H-NC&month=0907&week=d&msg=eOs0SvR%2B89W93Ts/y2NFjg

 

[timekiller]

It is fairly well established that there were no bison in NC. And since you are on the coast it would be even more impossible. There has only been one piece of recorded bison bone found on any archaeological dig in NC. The archaeologist figures it was a traded item in that there were no other bison bones on the site.

Thanks mac for your input,But to say that there where no bison in N.C. or what ever you are saying is just not true from what I read.You see the horn I can't say for sure if it is bison.But I can say I found it here on a river,here on the coast.I also can say that all these teeth I have found came from rivers here on the coast.I also know that they where pretty much every were in the U.S. Coast to Coast.And have read that they where here on the coast as early as 1700's.So knowing that Explain this.......
http://books.google.com/books?id=oj...onepage&q=Lawson north carolina bison&f=false

http://www.fortdobbs.org/history-artifacts.htm

http://h-net.msu.edu/cgi-bin/logbrowse.pl?trx=vx&list=H-NC&month=0907&week=d&msg=eOs0SvR%2B89W93Ts/y2NFjg

Also would like to know why you would say that.See your info.interested!

 

[timekiller]

It is fairly well established that there were no bison in NC. And since you are on the coast it would be even more impossible. There has only been one piece of recorded bison bone found on any archaeological dig in NC. The archaeologist figures it was a traded item in that there were no other bison bones on the site.

Thanks mac for your input,But to say that there where no bison in N.C. or what ever you are saying is just not true from what I read.You see the horn I can't say for sure if it is bison.But I can say I found it here on a river,here on the coast.I also can say that all these teeth I have found came from rivers here on the coast.I also know that they where pretty much every were in the U.S. Coast to Coast.And have read that they where here on the coast as early as 1700's.So knowing that Explain this.......
http://books.google.com/books?id=oj...onepage&q=Lawson north carolina bison&f=false

http://www.fortdobbs.org/history-artifacts.htm

http://h-net.msu.edu/cgi-bin/logbrowse.pl?trx=vx&list=H-NC&month=0907&week=d&msg=eOs0SvR%2B89W93Ts/y2NFjg

Also would like to know why you would say that.See your info.interested!

Had not even seen that this post here will make me a full member so to end this have found about 20 more since I took that pic of my display!!!

 

[timekiller]

This post above got to me.So today I took it to the musuem.Six people there some fossil hunters some arceologist students,and others who work there in education department all agree that it's possible that it is bison.Know one knew for sure.Told me to take some pics.And send it to them and they would get up with people in Raliegh who would know better.So that's were it stands now!Will let you know what comes of it.Also a man who was one of those who looked at it today was doing a fossil show of some fossils he had.There today,just seems funny to me that he had rib bones from bison right there that had came from Onslow county just 30miles from here.
Timekiller

 

[RELICDUDE07]

Good move.. Who knows the indians may have had a food shortage way back when ,went off to a different area hunting and brought it back? I like the mix of artifacts and it kinda looks like a trade post area with the mix of goodies...Keep us posted

 

[Curious The George]

Timekiller, Perhaps I was not thinking about bison the way you think about bison. I am talking about bison that a human would have seen in the last 400 years or so, not a fossil age bison.

If anyone would have seen a bison in early NC it would have been Daniel Boone. He hunted the state from east to west and top to bottom and made the statement that the first buffalo he ever saw was in the cane breaks on the Ohio River.

The information can be found here, scroll to page 19 in the book:

http://www.rla.unc.edu/Publications/NCArch/SIS_39(e-book).pdf

 

[timekiller]

Timekiller, Perhaps I was not thinking about bison the way you think about bison. I am talking about bison that a human would have seen in the last 400 years or so, not a fossil age bison.

If anyone would have seen a bison in early NC it would have been Daniel Boone. He hunted the state from east to west and top to bottom and made the statement that the first buffalo he ever saw was in the cane breaks on the Ohio River.

The information can be found here, scroll to page 19 in the book:

http://www.rla.unc.edu/Publications/NCArch/SIS_39(e-book).pdf

Thanks Mac,You had me going when you said there where none in N.C..I couldn't imagin that.Good enough then no harm done Maybe they will find somthing out for me!
Have a Good One!And I Understand now.
Thanks for getting me to dig deeper on the subject I've learned more from it!
Timekiller!

 

[timekiller]

Now look what I I've done! Guess I'll Help them they have helped me!Learning is really what it is about anyway!
Hi Pete,

Glad to be able to meet you this morning and see your amazing finds. Thanks for the pictures of the artifacts and skull. We’ll send them to some folks from the Museum of Natural Sciences in Raleigh and see if they can confirm the species for the skull/horn. In the meantime, if you’d be interested in donating some of the pre-colonial coins to the museum or even making a short-term loan, even so we could cast some items and make them available for education, please let us know. We’d be most interested in working something out.



I’m going to put you in contact with Laurie, as I’m planning to be out on maternity leave soon (as you might have guessed). Laurie’s contact email is

Hope to see you at the museum again soon!



Thanks again,

Allison



Allison

Educator

NC Maritime Museum

315 Front St.

 

[timekiller]

Just got this email from the museum!
Hi Pete,

We've sent out your photos to a few contacts this morning. We've gotten our first response from a local geologist who is past president of the North Carolina Fossil Club, Rich Olson.


Here is his response:
"What he has is indeed a horn and portion of the skull cap of a bison. It is likely of mid to late Pleistocene 250,000 to 20,000 years old. Probable species name is Bison antiquus. This is an uncommon but not rare fossil from "ice age" river gravel deposits from Virginia through Florida."

If we hear anything from anyone else I will forward that on as well. Nice find!

Hope to see you at the museum again soon,

Laurie




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[Curious The George]

BINGO! Congratulations.

 

[timekiller]

BINGO! Congratulations.

Thanks Mac,Sorta feel like I owe it to you.If it wasn't for your statement It would have just sat there like the rest of my I don't knows.
Timekiller!

 

[Curious The George]

Timekiller,

I just wasn't thinking about the buffalo that you were thinking about. I think you have, for sure, proved that Daniel Boone didn't shoot a buffalo on that creek!

 

[rmptr]

Great digs!

Thanks for the excellent pics.

Keep working that productive spot...
Best
rmptr

 

[timekiller]

any chance of any better pics of the second button down with the odd holes on the back? have a odd button with that sort of set up. kinda wondering about the age and type... nice finds...MR T

Little late on this, but if it is the one that I think you are talking about.Then that one seems to be a decorative type of a tack head off of like a trunk.Have seen some since my post that tells me this.
Thanks Timekiller!