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[Old Dog]

Did I refer to you anywhere in my Post?

You must resemble something there or you would have left it alone.
No, you are correct I didn't know anything about you.
But I have read your last posts,
I feel I can get to know a person rather well by the words he says or posts.

I was raised a little different than most.
If for the most part I have nothing good to say....
I say nothing.

 

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[ClonedSIM]

Did I refer to you anywhere in my Post?

You must resemble something there or you would have left it alone.
No, you are correct I didn't know anything about you.
But I have read your last posts,
I feel I can get to know a person rather well by the words he says or posts.

I was raised a little different than most.
If for the most part I have nothing good to say....
I say nothing.

Let's see.......
Here's my post:

Honestly, though.

You've had these pics for quite some time. If you really believe the things you say you see in them, why haven't you done anything about it up to now?

Followed immediately by your post:

Kidd,

Am trying with these pics.
Have a friend who may be able to enlarge and enhance.

will see what I can come up with.

Some just can't understand the factors involved when dealing with a site .
Especially trying to find someone to hunt with that you can trust.
Hunting alone is hard, and even worse when you have to dive on a site.
to top it all off you may need to get permits to even consider an entry, before you dive.

Some people have no concept of anything ...

Thom

Do you really think I'm going to believe you when you say you were referring to someone else?

Of course, you gave youself away completely when you said this:

But I have read your last posts,
I feel I can get to know a person rather well by the words he says or posts.

Try again....

 

[stevesno]

Kidd....It is good to see you back.....Hang in there....About once a month I get out the cd of pics from your site that you sent me last year and look them over....I tend to be an optimist and choose to believe that your site has great potential.....and eventually you will be able reap the rewards of your hard work and persistence.... Good luck...Steve

 

[Montana Jim]

I think if a camera could get down there with makeshift lighting, so can a diver...

 

[djui5]

If this location is so difficult to access, then how were these items put there to begin with?

Probably wasn't under water back then

Let's keep this thread clean ok? Kidd is a great treasure hunter and I'd hate for him to get scared off because of a bunch of senseless bickering about crap that really doesn't matter in the long run. He has the site, he believes something is there, and getting pictures is obviously difficult. Give the guy a break.

 

[ClonedSIM]

If this location is so difficult to access, then how were these items put there to begin with?

Probably wasn't under water back then

Let's keep this thread clean ok? Kidd is a great treasure hunter and I'd hate for him to get scared off because of a bunch of senseless bickering about crap that really doesn't matter in the long run. He has the site, he believes something is there, and getting pictures is obviously difficult. Give the guy a break.

This site is an open forum for discussion of various topics.

This particular topic is one that open for a wide range of interpretations. Just because it would be nice to tell Kidd that he's obviously discovered an amazing treasure trove doesn't mean it's necessary or correct.

There is no right response to Kidd's theory as to what he's found.

Just because my opinion doesn't jibe with the opinions of others here doesn't make it any less valid or reasonable, and I have a right to express my opinion without having someone jump in and tell me that I wasn't thinking when I wrote it.

Yes, there's a chance that Kidd has stumbled onto an amazing treasure, but there's also a chance that his photographs show nothing but natural underwater elements. As I said before, I see nothing of consequence in Kidd's pictures. I know this won't dissuade him in his search, nor is that my intention. It's my opinion, and I'm entitled to it.

 

[ClonedSIM]

I am curious now if this is the infamous “Iron Chest” site. If memory serves me right, Kidd was sending his underwater rig into an underground stream (or creek) that is physically impossible for scuba divers to fit into.

Correct me if I am wrong about this, Matt.

That's right, SWR, I forgot about the iron chest. What did happen with that? Certainly there was a conclusion to that mystery before this new one began?

 

[ClonedSIM]

I am curious now if this is the infamous “Iron Chest” site. If memory serves me right, Kidd was sending his underwater rig into an underground stream (or creek) that is physically impossible for scuba divers to fit into.

Correct me if I am wrong about this, Matt.

That's right, SWR, I forgot about the iron chest. What did happen with that? Certainly there was a conclusion to that mystery before this new one began?

If memory serves me right (again), the Iron Chest thread was deleted after Kiddrock removed several of his key posts, including the opening post. The old TreasureNet server still has some of that original thread and was not deleted. It also includes this post from Kidd in April of 2006:

"i am going to use an underwater camera in the near future to see what lies beyound the water trap inside the cave hopefully it will be a man made dam. or carvings as far as i know no one in recorded history has been beyound.so this is my next move here. ill keep you all updated."


http://www.treasurenet.com/f/index....1c4bc98b5e0e4&topic=26087.msg225373#msg225373

Looks like he got that underwater camera, but did he get any treasure?

I remember that post now, a whole lot of wheel spinning there.

 

[ClonedSIM]

Looks like he got that underwater camera, but did he get any treasure?

I remember that post now, a whole lot of wheel spinning there.

None that I can recall.

Well, just like Old Dog said, I don't know Kiddrock, but I have read his posts, and they tell me a lot about the kind of person he is.

Passionate, but perhaps a little too overeager with those passions.

 

[ClonedSIM]

I can see several things that are man made in the photos Randy enlarged.....seems interesting to me. Things arranged in a certain manner reminds me of a burial site, don't ask me why.

Any chance you can point those out for me, and maybe reference the picture by post number or name?
I just can't see them.

 

[tesoro dog]

Stereo? TD

 

[tesoro dog]

Ahhhhhhhhhhh the old ttt, now I get it. Ignore, all time great advice, Thanks Bob

 

[ClonedSIM]

Stereo? TD

No..... tag team trolling. Ignore them and they will go away

Ahhh, so you're not interested in helping me comprehend these photos you seem to understand so well??

Just proves what I said before, you aren't here to learn or share, you just want someone to agree with your opinion that these pictures depict some great long-lost treasure. It'll probably never be recovered, sure, but God forbid someone disagree with you, for those people are surely trolls, right?

 

[CanadianTrout]

Well i don't know what to tell you guys. I've "known" Kidd for over well over a year now and have seen pics he hasn't shared with the public. Granted (and I'll tell you openly) most are like he's posted here - grainy, black&white, underground in fast moving water - but some defiantly have structures or "things" that warrent further investigation. Right, further investigation. Like 1 or 2 other people above have said. He lives in a early Colonial area of USA somewhere in the backwoods and his site is even more "backwoods". Af1733 you asked if the site is so in accessable then why is stuff there? The answer is obvious. If I was hiding something I wouldn't start digging at the side of a busy highway, I'd march 5km's into the woods and do it. Wouldn't you?

Someone else said something to the effect of "If's he's been working this site for awhile why hasn't he taken lessons or taught himself how to scuba dived and gone in?" That's got to be one of the most asinine things I've ever heard and obviously not spoke by a scuba diver. Listen bro, I'm a NAUI licenced diver for 15 years and also hold a NAUI certificate in Diver Rescue. I've dove lakes, rivers, oceans and beneath the ice. Telling a dude to "takes lessons" and jump into a pitch black underground grotto with swift moving water and a rope man above (his buddy) who also doesn't know anything about diving is in complete ignorance of your own life. Give your head a shake.

As far as Kidd deleting some of his posts/pics/threads in the past I also know something of that. We've been talking for some time now. As i understand it Kidd needed $ backing due to the difficulties outlined above. He found some people interested who promised him the world. Then they wanted maps from him and GPS data. Failing that they wanted him to go out to his site and call them on his cell. Anybody can guess what was happening here so he backed out and lost his $ backing. I woulda too. He's back to square one. An "intriguing" site but difficulty accessing it.

Guys, demanding proof he's clearly said he doesn't have yet but is still working on and then lambasting him for not providing it is utter stupidity. Also accusing people of falsely "talking up" potential sites etc when there's nothing there is weak. You know who you are. As discussed previously all these threads and pics and stories are "potential" and we'll never know the truth; we aren't there. If somebodies site came to fruition you'll never see a post entitled "Guess Whateverybody!!?!? I'm a millionaire!!" Just won't happen. So stop demanding to see someones riches that they're not entitled to disclose with you.

Agreed this is an open forum and you are entitled to your say. That's where the grey area comes in. I just object to the way the "naysayers" (you know who you are) go about it and the way an open minded sceptic would go about it. Two different things.

Kidd, please go on with your thread, share your pics however you got them and whether they're Kodak perfect or not and we'll discuss them in and enlightened matter. Believe me I'll call BOGUS if I see it and I'll also sit back and scratch my head at the possibilities if I see it. And some of your pics have me scratchin'' my head.

 

[kiddrock33]

a very well known diver /treasure ship finder had told me he would dive it. but first i had to remove my posts. which i did.

 

[desertmoons]

Hey kidd,

I've followed your adventures for a long time. Based on everything i recall, of course, you are on to something..thats for sure. What that is, only time will tell. Surely you could write a book on certain subjects.

Skepticism is good for it might let you see things from a different angle. But trash talk should be ignored as I suspect it is simply baiting that might be meant to make you reveal more than you wanted to, if you respond to it. People have a lot of different techniques to try to pry information out of you. Stating things in an inflammatory manner to get a rise - is one of them.

Anyway, I for one thank you for sharing, and wish you the best.

 

[Montana Jim]

Kidd... I see some of the things you think you see... the rest is blurry mess to me.

I hope one day you can get the heck in there and see what this stuff really is...

This is TONS better than reading about bent trees... 

 

[tertiaryjim]

As a scuba diver who has done some minor cave diving I am concerned for you. You clearly realize this is dangerous but without the proper training its the thing you dont think of that will get ya. there might be a local dive club from which you could find an agreeable partner or take scuba classes yourself. For the pictures.. if its fresh water you could use DC lights like a car headlite. It will float so it should be caged or padded. If you loose your grip on it ,it will float to the ceiling and break. Now how did I know that? Ahem! Since there is current I assume it would be difficult to pump this site down. Stay safe. Hope ya find the big one and have fun gettin there! Jim

 

[Montana Jim]

How are you getting a camera in there?

Remote control submersible?

Any chance you can concoct a hook or grabber to snag something and pull it out?

 

[CanadianTrout]

Well i don't know what to tell you guys. I've "known" Kidd for over well over a year now and have seen pics he hasn't shared with the public. Granted (and I'll tell you openly) most are like he's posted here - grainy, black&white, underground in fast moving water - but some defiantly have structures or "things" that warrent further investigation. Right, further investigation. Like 1 or 2 other people above have said. He lives in a early Colonial area of USA somewhere in the backwoods and his site is even more "backwoods". Af1733 you asked if the site is so in accessable then why is stuff there? The answer is obvious. If I was hiding something I wouldn't start digging at the side of a busy highway, I'd march 5km's into the woods and do it. Wouldn't you?

Someone else said something to the effect of "If's he's been working this site for awhile why hasn't he taken lessons or taught himself how to scuba dived and gone in?" That's got to be one of the most asinine things I've ever heard and obviously not spoke by a scuba diver. Listen bro, I'm a NAUI licenced diver for 15 years and also hold a NAUI certificate in Diver Rescue. I've dove lakes, rivers, oceans and beneath the ice. Telling a dude to "takes lessons" and jump into a pitch black underground grotto with swift moving water and a rope man above (his buddy) who also doesn't know anything about diving is in complete ignorance of your own life. Give your head a shake.

As far as Kidd deleting some of his posts/pics/threads in the past I also know something of that. We've been talking for some time now. As i understand it Kidd needed $ backing due to the difficulties outlined above. He found some people interested who promised him the world. Then they wanted maps from him and GPS data. Failing that they wanted him to go out to his site and call them on his cell. Anybody can guess what was happening here so he backed out and lost his $ backing. I woulda too. He's back to square one. An "intriguing" site but difficulty accessing it.

Guys, demanding proof he's clearly said he doesn't have yet but is still working on and then lambasting him for not providing it is utter stupidity. Also accusing people of falsely "talking up" potential sites etc when there's nothing there is weak. You know who you are. As discussed previously all these threads and pics and stories are "potential" and we'll never know the truth; we aren't there. If somebodies site came to fruition you'll never see a post entitled "Guess Whateverybody!!?!? I'm a millionaire!!" Just won't happen. So stop demanding to see someones riches that they're not entitled to disclose with you.

Agreed this is an open forum and you are entitled to your say. That's where the grey area comes in. I just object to the way the "naysayers" (you know who you are) go about it and the way an open minded sceptic would go about it. Two different things.

Kidd, please go on with your thread, share your pics however you got them and whether they're Kodak perfect or not and we'll discuss them in and enlightened matter. Believe me I'll call BOGUS if I see it and I'll also sit back and scratch my head at the possibilities if I see it. And some of your pics have me scratchin'' my head.

Lambasting others to “protect” the integrity of the thread is not called for.

Being a certified diver, you should have taken the time to explain to that poster the safety issues at hand, and the dangers of that task. The asinine crack and other belittling cheap shots were not called for.

Several other cheap shots have been taken, in guise of “trying to keep the peace”. I want Matt to continue taking pictures and positing, if he chooses to do so. But, I refuse to sit idly by while another member labels me (and others) as naysayers, because we are skeptical and lecture us...all the while belittling and demanding we post to please them.

You're so off base I don't know where to begin. This is crazy. I will not waste my time debating with you. People can read my posts and people can read your posts and make up their own minds. Listen, you of all people should know Shallow Water Diver, that I can't describe the dangers and give him pointers on diving in a cave here in this format. Not in any way that is going to be beneficial to him and get him into that cave. Don't you dare sit there all smug and give me crap because I didn't give him pointers on an activity that could get him killed. Sheesh man. Use your head.

Half your posts are always about people attacking you and how you sit there and say it's uncalled for but your last post is exactly that; directed at me. My post was on topic, constructive, and directly answering another posters questions.

Right, I can see how I was waaay out of line. But your fine, just carry on.