SWIFT MINES AND THE KGC

Singlestack Wonder said:
ECS: There you go yet again with empirical facts....
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Seems they like to post one liners, then tell others to research, but when one produces real hard actual facts they either spin out of control saying history and professional historians are wrong, ignore actual evidence in favor of their current alternative pulp history book, claim one is bullying with real facts, or just disappear for a day or two, then return with more pseudo history nonsense.
 

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When did it become "uncivil" or against TN rules by correcting misinformation with real facts?
 

ECS: Welcome to today’s woke world......feelings > truth.....

I’d like to see empirical evidence that the welsh did come here around 500ad as some of the UAST and others state happened. Not fictional stories, astrology tales, etc. but actual evidence.

With such evidence real treasure hunters could then focus on finding the treasures vs. continually having to dispute fairy tales...
 

Requesting actual evidence to support the fantasy fiction posted as fact ALWAYS upsets the UAST and gets them whining every time.
 

ECS said:
When did it become "uncivil" or against TN rules by correcting misinformation with real facts?
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When tons of gold was "discovered" by treasure hunters in Pennsylvania and the FBI whisked it off in the middle of the night in blacked out armored trucks with helicopter support!
 

1320 said:
When tons of gold was "discovered" by treasure hunters in Pennsylvania and the FBI whisked it off in the middle of the night in blacked out armored trucks with helicopter support!
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Nothing was found in Pennsylvania. There was no treasure to find. The story was made up by writers. I read the same story of the Union Gold as did the people that claimed to find the treasure. The treasure was made from the mind of a writer. No treasure. No treasure recovery. Because there was no treasure to begin with.
 

franklin said:
Nothing was found in Pennsylvania. There was no treasure to find. The story was made up by writers. I read the same story of the Union Gold as did the people that claimed to find the treasure. The treasure was made from the mind of a writer. No treasure. No treasure recovery. Because there was no treasure to begin with.
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I agree 100% but we weren't allowed to correct misinformation with real facts, no telling how many members got booted/time out for disagreeing with that fantasy.

I apologize for getting off topic and I'm definitely not taking a swipe at anyone in this thread, thought I'd toss a little humor in.
 

I think there are few if any moderators left here on TNet. A trolling tag team like that and one being a 'Gold' member... I just don't understand why people do that for giggles. If someone has an idea or theory, take it or leave it...even disagree with it if you want. But to call Franklin crazy in so many words is just not civil discussion. I took their bait and shouldn't have, live and learn.
 

Most likely being the aforementioned "'Gold' member" to whom you referenced, you have misrepresented the difference between one posting "an idea or theory" and stating it as such, to one posting the "idea or theory" and other's alternative pseudo history as fact, which so often occurs on the TN threads.
Even you, my friend have posted misinformation on several posts even posting questions which I addressed on Posts# 58 & 60 which resulted in your petulant not so civil discussion reply on Post# 62'.
 

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Petulant? Hmm... I did not think I posted with any emote. Maybe you mistook my passion for lost history on this legend as petulance.
Reguards... I for one welcome your input into these years long discussions on the possibility and whereabouts of Jonathan Swift's silver mine(s).
 

KY HIKER, the problem of propagating what you termed "lost history" theories like the legend and lore and the Wilson & Blacknett alternative pseudo-history of the Welsh in Kentucky in the 6th century as if they were fact matters, because real history matters, because truth matters and because it is just wrong to propagate unproven theories, ideas, lore, legends as if they were fact.
Fact requires solid documented evidence which is lacking in the 6th century welsh in Kentucky tale.
 

ECS said:
KY HIKER, the problem of propagating what you termed "lost history" theories like the legend and lore and the Wilson & Blacknett alternative pseudo-history of the Welsh in Kentucky in the 6th century as if they were fact matters, because real history matters, because truth matters and because it is just wrong to propagate unproven theories, ideas, lore, legends as if they were fact.
Fact requires solid documented evidence which is lacking in the 6th century welsh in Kentucky tale.
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Bullshit
 

Just know, the whole Swift Silver Mine is thought by many as a 'tale'. But I think dismissing theories is very unscientific. I 'propagate' ideas related to this section of TNets title which is Swift's lost silver mine(s). In itself a legend, with very few real facts to base it on. Yet, my whole purpose to participate in this section of TNet is to find the historical tidbits or nuggets of truth that the legend is/was based upon. I'm not here to get rich or find buried wealth. Seems you have a real beef with me, I say get over it. Until a few days ago this topic was probably unknown to you, not sure what rattled you so much... I am who I am, and I'm sorry you have so many problems with what and how I say things. Being 55 I doubt I will change, and until this stops being a free country and a free to use web site I doubt I will stop posting here. There was a time where the free exchange of ideas was promoted, it now seems in this cancel-culture society there is no room for various opinions. I say Bravo Sierra to that.

G'day sir!
 

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KY Hiker said:
... Seems you have a real beef with me, I say get over it.
Until a few days ago this topic was probably unknown to you, not sure what rattled you so much...
I am who I am, and I'm sorry you have so many problems with what and how I say things...
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I have been aware of the Swift legend some time, and I have NO "beef" with you, but do take umbrage with the Wilson & Blacknett fabricated fairy tale of 6th century Welsh crossing the Atlantic to mine tin and copper being promoted as "fact" and attached to the Swift tale.
I answered the questions that you posted, yet you and one other ignored to answer the critical question:
What type of ship did the Dark Ages (not Bronze Age as you erroneous posted) 6th century Welsh possess that could cross the Atlantic and return load with ore?
As I stated in Post#72, Facts matter because real history matters because truth matters.
 

ECS said:
I have been aware of the Swift legend some time, and I have NO "beef" with you, but do take umbrage with the Wilson & Blacknett fabricated fairy tale of 6th century Welsh crossing the Atlantic to mine tin and copper being promoted as "fact" and attached to the Swift tale.
I answered the questions that you posted, yet you and one other ignored to answer the critical question:
What type of ship did the Dark Ages (not Bronze Age as you erroneous posted) 6th century Welsh possess that could cross the Atlantic and return load with ore?
As I stated in Post#72, Facts matter because real history matters because truth matters.
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Well, I suggest you read their work...they never make the assertion that the Welsh came over here to mine tin and/or copper or any other metal and bring it back to Wales. I have no need or desire to defend their 25+ years of work. They are certainly unfriendly to those in academia, I can't disagree with their contempt of them...I couldn't wait to finish college myself.

I never answered your question about the type of ships the Welsh used. I thought you might want to answer some of your own questions for yourself. The shotgun blast of questions was to simply stir your investigative juices. In the bronze age many ancient cultures navigated the Med. Sea and eastern coastal Europe. They used ships. The Greeks and later Romans used ships called Triremes (They look like larger versions of a typical Viking ship). These ships had both multiple sets of oars and at least one main sail. So the ship type and style ie. the technology existed well before the 6th century. I mentioned the vikings and how they got to Canada (via Iceland then Greenland then to our continent) to show how later cultures made it here. Not by trade winds but by navigation along the coasts in Northern Atlantic waters.

So disagree all you want, it is not that far fetched that the Welsh could have come to this continent in the 6th century. That is not my idea, it is not a fact, it is a theory. If you would like to counter a theory, the onus is on you to provide facts that disprove it or facts that prove a counter theory. Some of the evidence toward Wilson's and Blackett's theory is presented in the video I asked you to watch. I am not trying to convince you one way or the other, just watch it and come to your own conclusions. Buy the books if you want, or burn them if you rather I don't really care. My guess is you have dismissed the theory without really hearing it through...that is your choice.
I'm sorry I wasn't more upfront in my explanation of those questions, but as I stated, by answering them it would point you in the direction to look...I never expected you to answer them in a post.
 

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KY Hiker said:
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So disagree all you want, it is not that far fetched that the Welsh could have come to this continent in the 6th century.
That is not my idea, it is not a fact, it is a theory...
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That is the point being made ,KY Hiker, my friend.
Far too often ideas, lore, tall tales, and theories are posted as fact with NO supporting evidence or source provided.
AS you plainly stated above, "it is not a fact, it is a theory". :thumbsup:
 

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