✅ SOLVED Strange makeup box with skeleton key

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Okay, I'm begging all pardons ARCHIE! LOL :laughing7: All kidding aside; sorry for the wrong name. So tell us; inquiring minds want to know . . . .drum roll please . . . . . .. . . :)

Kuger, maybe we'd better add KugerTheStudMuffin to your ID as not to have any confusion! :laughing7:

Well shoot! (As my mother used to say...) I was hoping for sexless anonymity. Yes, I am female. But the name is Archeodeb because I am an archeologist whose name is actually Deborah. So much for mystery...
 

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Dang good to have ya here sexless one...........thats terrible!!!! Welcome,and stick around!!!!Some of our finest members ore Female
 

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Well shoot! (As my mother used to say...) I was hoping for sexless anonymity. Yes, I am female. But the name is Archeodeb because I am an archeologist whose name is actually Deborah. So much for mystery...

:laughing7: if you wanted sexless anonymity maybe you should have picked a different name. Like ... "Bramblefind" :tongue3:

I don't know what this item is! Lots of very good ideas though.
 

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:laughing7: if you wanted sexless anonymity maybe you should have picked a different name. Like ... "Bramblefind" :tongue3:

I don't know what this item is! Lots of very good ideas though.

Okay, I give up. Chalk it up to ego. :laughing7:
 

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I just need to know if she's a good "Archie" or a bad one............:thumbsup:
 

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I just need to know if she's a good "Archie" or a bad one............:thumbsup:

Well, I hope I am a good one, but since I am not really sure what a good "Archie" is, I guess I have to take my chances and just tell you honestly what I believe.

I'm not a pot-hunter, if that's what you mean... but I am definitely interested in casual finds and the whole idea of lost treasures. I love to look for old things, and have no problem keeping what I find, but I do it in a responsible way -- meaning I would always choose to keep records and proper data on anything that looked important and call in experts as required. I don't think everything belongs in a museum or university (for one thing, I know first hand how corrupt and unimaginative many of those institutions are) but some sites are too valuable -- information-wise -- to not be excavated properly. Quick example...

I once assisted in an emergency excavation of a bluff shelter in NW Arkansas that included a female mummy in remarkably good shape -- with textiles (shoes, clothing, head-dress) in incredible condition, considering the "body" was over 2,000 years old. The site was discovered by two local men digging for whatever they thought they could sell. After digging up a few pots and some broken points here and there, their shovels unearthed a human foot. It was so fresh looking, they thought it was a recent murder victim and got so scared they fled to a local bar to tell the story over some liquid courage. :laughing7: The bartender happened to be a friend of one of the anthropologists at a nearby university and told him the story. They pieced things together, got permission from the landowner (who had not given permission to the previous diggers, by the way) to excavate the shelter and we spent a week documenting and excavating the site. It yielded an enormous amount of information about paleo-indians that would have been completely lost if those two had continued to destroy the site. They would never have noticed the plant seeds or studied the pollens we found in pots and strewn around the site, for instance. The mummy clothing revealed some new information about the clothing and lifestyle of the natives living there as well. (The burial was quite interesting too -- she was placed inside a leather bag in a fetal position and buried in a small hole just at the edge of the shelter.) Anyway, my point is that there was nothing there of any real value as far as "sellable" artifacts go, but the information we gleaned in only a few days from things they would have tossed away, was priceless. Had the pot-hunters (illegal trespassers on private property) not been scared away, they would have gained a few pottery shards, some small, broken artifacts from the hillside midden and very little else, but they would have forever destroyed genuinely useful information that we could use to reconstruct the culture and lifestyle of an early people.

Personally, I think governments should not be allowed to confiscate treasure -- sunken ships to hidden hoards -- as soon as someone else goes to all the time, trouble and expense to recover it. But, I do think, treasure hunters should be above-board and only dig private property with permission; AND... I think amateur "archaeologists" should have enough awareness of what they are doing to keep good data as they dig and if doubt about the importance of a find comes up, they should be responsible enough to call in the pros BEFORE they destroy something vital. That is not to say that I believe they should have to relinquish all rights to what they find, only that they should be responsible and allow useful information to be gathered before the context is lost forever. It more or less comes down to this... treasure belongs to whoever finds it, but information belongs to all humankind.

On that same line of reasoning... I think native burials should be treated with the utmost respect. The emergency excavation I used as an example was just that -- an emergency. We removed the body to save it (from pot-hunters and from the elements once it had been exposed). In more normal circumstances, I have participated in excavations of old burial sites where modern descendants of native populations were invited to bless the site, witness the exhumations and give permission for the site and the bodies to be examined BEFORE returning the bodies to their final resting places. That sort of respectful handling of a site allows scientists to study and glean valuable information while respecting the rights of native peoples to preserve the burial places of their ancestors. Pot hunters have respect for neither the information nor the native people.

Okay... am I a good "Archie" or a bad one?
 

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..........wish there were more like you!!!!A partnership between "us",and "them",would be invaluable,but due to the fact we are evil in the majority of their eyes,this will never happen
 

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history hunter,is there any writing ,markings on the back of case,or the bow or
the tooth of the key,and do the keepers look like they snap out easily,as it looks
like 1 is missing, does the inside bottom of case,look like it would pop out
an interesting find
bear with me,im having a hard time with the key opening the lid, see jpg
1. what is the 3rd keeper for (maybe the shaft is broken?)
2. i dont see a cut out on lid,that would fit over the tooth/bit,for opening
when key is turned
does anyone think, a little wd40, would hurt the case,or key?

key.webp
 

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:laughing7: History Hunter knew it all along!!!!

Fantastic job LADIES!!!! :notworthy:
 

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bramblefind,great I D, i found another,i see what the key is for now

compact key.webp721052d1357340489-strange-makeup-box-skeleton-key-compactkey.webp
 

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Well, I hope I am a good one, but since I am not really sure what a good "Archie" is, I guess I have to take my chances and just tell you honestly what I believe.

I'm not a pot-hunter, if that's what you mean... but I am definitely interested in casual finds and the whole idea of lost treasures. I love to look for old things, and have no problem keeping what I find, but I do it in a responsible way -- meaning I would always choose to keep records and proper data on anything that looked important and call in experts as required. I don't think everything belongs in a museum or university (for one thing, I know first hand how corrupt and unimaginative many of those institutions are) but some sites are too valuable -- information-wise -- to not be excavated properly. Quick example...

I once assisted in an emergency excavation of a bluff shelter in NW Arkansas that included a female mummy in remarkably good shape -- with textiles (shoes, clothing, head-dress) in incredible condition, considering the "body" was over 2,000 years old. The site was discovered by two local men digging for whatever they thought they could sell. After digging up a few pots and some broken points here and there, their shovels unearthed a human foot. It was so fresh looking, they thought it was a recent murder victim and got so scared they fled to a local bar to tell the story over some liquid courage. :laughing7: The bartender happened to be a friend of one of the anthropologists at a nearby university and told him the story. They pieced things together, got permission from the landowner (who had not given permission to the previous diggers, by the way) to excavate the shelter and we spent a week documenting and excavating the site. It yielded an enormous amount of information about paleo-indians that would have been completely lost if those two had continued to destroy the site. They would never have noticed the plant seeds or studied the pollens we found in pots and strewn around the site, for instance. The mummy clothing revealed some new information about the clothing and lifestyle of the natives living there as well. (The burial was quite interesting too -- she was placed inside a leather bag in a fetal position and buried in a small hole just at the edge of the shelter.) Anyway, my point is that there was nothing there of any real value as far as "sellable" artifacts go, but the information we gleaned in only a few days from things they would have tossed away, was priceless. Had the pot-hunters (illegal trespassers on private property) not been scared away, they would have gained a few pottery shards, some small, broken artifacts from the hillside midden and very little else, but they would have forever destroyed genuinely useful information that we could use to reconstruct the culture and lifestyle of an early people.

Personally, I think governments should not be allowed to confiscate treasure -- sunken ships to hidden hoards -- as soon as someone else goes to all the time, trouble and expense to recover it. But, I do think, treasure hunters should be above-board and only dig private property with permission; AND... I think amateur "archaeologists" should have enough awareness of what they are doing to keep good data as they dig and if doubt about the importance of a find comes up, they should be responsible enough to call in the pros BEFORE they destroy something vital. That is not to say that I believe they should have to relinquish all rights to what they find, only that they should be responsible and allow useful information to be gathered before the context is lost forever. It more or less comes down to this... treasure belongs to whoever finds it, but information belongs to all humankind.

On that same line of reasoning... I think native burials should be treated with the utmost respect. The emergency excavation I used as an example was just that -- an emergency. We removed the body to save it (from pot-hunters and from the elements once it had been exposed). In more normal circumstances, I have participated in excavations of old burial sites where modern descendants of native populations were invited to bless the site, witness the exhumations and give permission for the site and the bodies to be examined BEFORE returning the bodies to their final resting places. That sort of respectful handling of a site allows scientists to study and glean valuable information while respecting the rights of native peoples to preserve the burial places of their ancestors. Pot hunters have respect for neither the information nor the native people.

Okay... am I a good "Archie" or a bad one?

This has to be one of the best posts I've read in awhile. Much respect to you and your ideals!
 

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Thanks for all your work, it was a weird one!
 

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This has to be one of the best posts I've read in awhile. Much respect to you and your ideals!

I second that, I think it could be "upgraded" as new indipendent thread. Many "treasurehunters" (in a bad sense...) could learn one or two things from this...
 

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