Stones or Tool?

[BeachComber7]

Any ideas?

Thanks,

 

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[GatorBoy]

That's still green algae on them. That's all I'm saying. Make sure you know fla. Law.

 

[BeachComber7]

yes I am familiar with the law. There was already stuff on the bank with the algae at the time of my arrival, there usually is. Some things slippery even. Because the law does not allow me to enter the river itself and pick anything up, I keep at the edge right on the bank.
Before I posted these 3 items, I researched them on line and could not find things that looked like what I had, so I put them on here. Honestly? Because my research came up empty I assumed I had garden ornaments!

 

[GatorBoy]

The same applies to the bank as the water. Unless on private property with permission from the landowner it is illegal to remove anything older than fifty years in Florida. And if in a designated site within a park the charges escalate.

 

[GatorBoy]

I'm only saying this for your own good. You should read the law.

 

[BeachComber7]

I was just looking that up to see if something like low mean tide or high mean tide applies.

Think I might know how it got on to shore. Something was in the water. There was for a better description, a flock of fish making all kinds of noise and then suddenly, large waves started hitting the shore. I stepped back, cuz I know bull shark are known to travel that river. Took a couple of pics too but missed the flocking, only got the first small wave by the guy fishing then the waves got bigger. Neither of us knew for sure what was going on, as waves just don't occur out of nowhere and there was no wind. But a lot of wave action! The algae stone probably got flipped or moved to the river bank then i came upon it.

 

[GatorBoy]

All I'm saying is that if you are in the state of Florida picking up artifacts is illegal everywhere....except only on private property with the landowners expressed permission. I don't know what else you are referring to other than beach metal detecting. And by the way those were probably dolphin coraling bait together in the shallows to feed.they work as a team moving up and down the river doing that.

 

[BeachComber7]

Oh, yeah maybe you are right they may have been dolphin.

 

[theonlinefisherman]

Boy, gator - do I have a dolphin story to tell you.

I am sixty in october. When I was young I found my first point. I was fishing and standing almost on top of it,

In two feet of water. It was a beautiful coral point. I was pulling points out of the sand until the day after they changed the law and made it illegal. The law is idiotic and we should fight to change it. Maybe we should register our artifacts. But man, leaving them in the water sucks. And you know me, gator. I do not drive 3 miles over the speed limit. I obey every law, not just the ones I feel are acceptable. But not being allowed to love and touch and protect and share and show this stuff to others among our community is just stupid

Who is protecting what? We study them and know as much about them as a lot of people. People do not even care about this stuff.

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[GatorBoy]

Every word you said is true. And when it comes to Isolated finds most archaeologists feel the same.They know that those of us who respect and genuinely care about our history Do the right thing And take better care of these objects And pass on more Of the same.We are more often than not the ones who showed the Archie's where the sites were. THEN CAME THE INTERNET. And the idea of easy money. The state could not micro manage sites so a blanket law was the easy solution.

 

[GatorBoy]

Were the dolphin playing ping pong with snook? Seen that one

 

[tomclark]

Collectors no longer cooperate with the State due to the state's statutes and no compromises or exceptions like the old days. The archies don't want anyone who is not in their "Halls" to have a single artifact. They suck. They do not believe in personal collections for non archies, only they deserve personal collections. I've met only a few archies in this state that are understanding, cooperative and camp with collectors. This crap has driven the MARKET for artifacts, and systematic collecting by a few for profit. The situation is worse now than ever regarding sales and what the state would call systematic, gross, "looting".
Look at ebay any day and look up Florida artifacts. State ruins collecting, sales ruin collecting. BeachComber, that's a sedimentary beach rock, LOL.

All that said, know the law.
Florida:
The 2011 Florida Statutes

Title XVIII
PUBLIC LANDS AND PROPERTY Chapter 267
HISTORICAL RESOURCES View Entire Chapter

267.13 Prohibited practices; penalties.—(1)(a) Any person who by means other than excavation either conducts archaeological field investigations on, or removes or attempts to remove, or defaces, destroys, or otherwise alters any archaeological site or specimen located upon, any land owned or controlled by the state or within the boundaries of a designated state archaeological landmark or landmark zone, except in the course of activities pursued under the authority of a permit or under procedures relating to accredited institutions granted by the division, commits a misdemeanor of the first degree, punishable as provided in s. 775.082 or s. 775.083, and, in addition, shall forfeit to the state all specimens, objects, and materials collected, together with all photographs and records relating to such material.
(b) Any person who by means of excavation either conducts archaeological field investigations on, or removes or attempts to remove, or defaces, destroys, or otherwise alters any archaeological site or specimen located upon, any land owned or controlled by the state or within the boundaries of a designated state archaeological landmark or landmark zone, except in the course of activities pursued under the authority of a permit or under procedures relating to accredited institutions granted by the division, commits a felony of the third degree, punishable as provided in s. 775.082, s. 775.083, or s. 775.084, and any vehicle or equipment of any person used in connection with the violation is subject to forfeiture to the state if it is determined by any court of law that the vehicle or equipment was involved in the violation. Such person shall forfeit to the state all specimens, objects, and materials collected or excavated, together with all photographs and records relating to such material. The court may also order the defendant to make restitution to the state for the archaeological or commercial value and cost of restoration and repair as defined in subsection (4).
(c) Any person who offers for sale or exchange any object with knowledge that it has previously been collected or excavated in violation of any of the terms of ss. 267.11-267.14, or who procures, counsels, solicits, or employs any other person to violate any prohibition contained in ss. 267.11-267.14 or to sell, purchase, exchange, transport, receive, or offer to sell, purchase, or exchange any archaeological resource excavated or removed from any land owned or controlled by the state or within the boundaries of a designated state archaeological landmark or landmark zone, except with the express consent of the division, commits a felony of the third degree, punishable as provided in s. 775.082, s. 775.083, or s. 775.084, and any vehicle or equipment of any person used in connection with the violation is subject to forfeiture to the state if it is determined by any court of law that such vehicle or equipment was involved in the violation. All specimens, objects, and material collected or excavated, together with all photographs and records relating to such material, shall be forfeited to the state. The court may also order the defendant to make restitution to the state for the archaeological or commercial value and cost of restoration and repair as defined in subsection (4).
(2)(a) The division may institute an administrative proceeding to impose an administrative fine of not more than $500 a day on any person or business organization that, without written permission of the division, explores for, salvages, or excavates treasure trove, artifacts, sunken or abandoned ships, or other objects having historical or archaeological value located on state-owned or state-controlled lands, including state sovereignty submerged lands.
(b) The division shall institute an administrative proceeding by serving written notice of a violation by certified mail upon the alleged violator. The notice shall specify the law or rule allegedly violated and the facts upon which the allegation is based. The notice shall also specify the amount of the administrative fine sought by the division. The fine shall not become due until after service of notice and an administrative hearing. However, the alleged violator shall have 20 days from service of notice to request an administrative hearing. Failure to respond within that time shall constitute a waiver, and the fine shall become due without a hearing.
(c) The division may enter its judgment for the amount of the administrative penalty imposed in a court of competent jurisdiction, pursuant to s. 120.69. The judgment may be enforced as any other judgment.
(d) The division may apply to a court of competent jurisdiction for injunctive relief against any person or business organization that explores for, salvages, or excavates treasure trove, artifacts, sunken or abandoned ships, or other objects having historical or archaeological value located on state-owned or state-controlled land, including state sovereignty submerged land, without the written permission of the division.
(e) The division shall adopt rules pursuant to ss. 120.536(1) and 120.54 to implement the provisions of this section.
(3) Any person who:
(a) Reproduces, retouches, reworks, or forges any archaeological or historical object originating from an archaeological site as designated by ss. 267.11-267.14 and deriving its principal value from its antiquity or makes any such object, whether a copy or not; or
(b) Falsely labels, describes, identifies, or offers for sale or exchange any object with intent to represent the same to be an original and genuine archaeological or historical specimen,
commits a misdemeanor of the first degree, punishable as provided in s. 775.082 or s. 775.083.

(4) DETERMINATION OF ARCHAEOLOGICAL OR COMMERCIAL VALUE AND COST OF RESTORATION AND REPAIR.—
(a) Archaeological value.—For purposes of this section, the archaeological value of any archaeological resource involved in a violation of the prohibitions in ss. 267.11-267.14 or conditions of a permit issued pursuant to ss. 267.11-267.14 shall be the value of the data associated with the archaeological resource. This value shall be appraised in terms of the costs of the retrieval of the scientific information which would have been obtainable prior to the violation. These costs may include, but need not be limited to, the cost of preparing a research design, conducting field work, carrying out laboratory analysis, and preparing reports as would be necessary to realize the information potential.
(b) Commercial value.—For purposes of this section, the commercial value of any archaeological resource involved in a violation of the prohibitions in ss. 267.11-267.14 or conditions of a permit issued pursuant to ss. 267.11-267.14 shall be its fair market value. Where the violation has resulted in damage to the archaeological resource, the fair market value should be determined using the condition of the archaeological resource prior to the violation, to the extent that its prior condition can be ascertained.
(c) Cost of restoration and repair.—For purposes of this section, the cost of restoration and repair of archaeological resources damaged as a result of a violation of prohibitions or conditions pursuant to this section shall be the sum of the costs already incurred for emergency restoration or repair work, plus those costs projected to be necessary to complete restoration and repair, which may include, but need not be limited to, the costs of the following:
1. Reconstruction of the archaeological resource.
2. Stabilization of the archaeological resource.
3. Ground contour reconstruction and surface stabilization.
4. Research necessary to carry out reconstruction or stabilization.
5. Physical barriers or other protective devices, necessitated by the disturbance of the archaeological resource, to protect it from further disturbance.
6. Examination and analysis of the archaeological resource, including recording remaining archaeological information, where necessitated by disturbance, in order to salvage remaining values which cannot be otherwise conserved.
7. Reinterment of human remains in accordance with religious custom and state, local, or tribal law, where appropriate, as determined by the land manager.
8. Preparation of reports relating to any of the activities described in this paragraph.
History.—s. 1, ch. 73-166; s. 9, ch. 81-173; s. 1, ch. 93-114; s. 15, ch. 2001-199; s. 18, ch. 2005-207.

 

[GatorBoy]

One stop legality shopping! I love it!

 

[RGINN]

They're just rocks. And if you think not 'What would you have used them for?'

 

[BeachComber7]

I agree, it's just a rock! But a cool one.