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Just a quick question regarding the stone tablet found in 1804, at a depth of 90ft. If someone were to hide a treasure would they declare on a large stone tablet, You're halfway there keep going,"Forty feet below two million pounds are buried"?
Are they deciphering this stone as a 300 year old tablet or a 700 hundred year old tablet? The first two symbols literally read: water, earth with other potential symbols of martydom and persecution as well as variations of the cross. More of a warning? I do know the stone has been lost to time.
Any thoughts?
 

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The “90 foot stone” was created by the group digging at the time in an attempt to recoup monetary losses after they figured out the treasure story was nothing but fiction.

After producing the stone they went on to ask investors for more money. When the money didn’t come the stone was discarded.

For years it was used in a bindery operation as an anvil that was pounded on.

Then it ended up being used as a stone in a basement wall.

It’s easy to see that a stone with cryptic writings that pointed to the greatest treasure in archeological history was a fake.
 

The “90 foot stone” was created by the group digging at the time in an attempt to recoup monetary losses after they figured out the treasure story was nothing but fiction.

After producing the stone they went on to ask investors for more money. When the money didn’t come the stone was discarded.

For years it was used in a bindery operation as an anvil that was pounded on.

Then it ended up being used as a stone in a basement wall.

It’s easy to see that a stone with cryptic writings that pointed to the greatest treasure in archeological history was a fake.
The “90 foot stone” was created by the group digging at the time in an attempt to recoup monetary losses after they figured out the treasure story was nothing but fiction.

After producing the stone they went on to ask investors for more money. When the money didn’t come the stone was discarded.

For years it was used in a bindery operation as an anvil that was pounded on.

Then it ended up being used as a stone in a basement wall.

It’s easy to see that a stone with cryptic writings that pointed to the greatest treasure in archeological history was a fake.
Oh ok. Could be. Everything is speculation. I was also wondering how carbon dating, places the coconut leaves at between 700 and 800 years old that were found in the same shaft?
 

@Justawolf have you read through the OI threads? All this stuff has been discussed ad nauseam. The rock had no writing on it, that was made up. The coconut fibers could be from sea drift or dunnage. There has been no real scientific investigation of much of anything on OI.
 

Just a quick question regarding the stone tablet found in 1804, at a depth of 90ft. If someone were to hide a treasure would they declare on a large stone tablet, You're halfway there keep going,"Forty feet below two million pounds are buried"?
Are they deciphering this stone as a 300 year old tablet or a 700 hundred year old tablet? The first two symbols literally read: water, earth with other potential symbols of martydom and persecution as well as variations of the cross. More of a warning? I do know the stone has been lost to time.
Any thoughts?
Are you mixing up dates there? There was a a small excavated stone dated 1704 that Robert Restall found, but he suspected it was salted by the Sunday tourists who were picnicking in the Island to pull his leg. The 90 foot stone discovery story is one that is typically given the date 1803. 1803 is 40 years after the arrival of the first settlers in 1763. In my opinion, that is why that date is given. It is made to fit a story based in 40, or 4 T (the emblem of the Triple Tau known to Holy Royal Arch Masons).

It doesn't matter. From the story were supposed to take the 9 levels and the 90 degree angle in divisions of 10. Those 10 degree increments get repeated in the Nolan's cross suggestion where the stem positions create a series of 40, 50, 30, 20 and 90 degree angles with the E-W heading. N and he road that bisects the island (surveyed in 1762).

The inspiration for this suggestion of a flat polished stone of 1/2 the area of a 27 x 27 prefect ashlar belongs in part to an older pre-Biblical narrative (Enoch's shaft and vault), but it is mixed with familiar Masonic details (this to imply a connection between old and new). When this stone surfaced it was supposed to be an omen for the Second Coming (The Return of Elijah and Enoch). Attached to this story are the prophecies of Daniel about how a seventh King must Die before the 8th will come (the Anti-Christ) and the treasure of everlasting life will be accessed when the armies of the archangel Michael defeat the Anti-Christ.

As you say, the stone bears 40 characters in 8 groups. 8x5 is a repeated detail in this story as it is also the aspect ratio of Nolan's Cross (8x5), and the celestial declination of the Northern Cross asterism which is the symbol for the cross of crucifixion in the heavens above your head.

Why would have this sort of story been exploited? Well, that is where history actually helps us. In the early 1840s there was a great North American frenzy about a calculation that had been made (the Millerite prophecy) which foretold that the Second Coming would occur in 1843. This seems to be the date that was cleverly used to create the backstory which , quite pleasingly splits the events in two forty year periods (mimics the exodus story). Additionally, 1795 as a origin may have been selected to involve 33 years after the planning of the Island by Morris, in 1762. It would in fact be using the numeric symbol of the "mystery of mysteries" if it was doing that, and pinning the origin to Morris's survey.

It is my opinion that additional details were added as the story evolved in the hopes that some aspects of this would immediately be identifiable as a clever geometric suggestion. Cleverness is supposed to imply intent. A disappearing vault at 153 feet is an example of that. 153 is the biblically flavored symbol of plenty, so why not place the elusive vault and its contents there, right? It's supposed to be there, and it was said to have sunk in the abyss when approached, something the Laginas have even been toying with as a suggestion too. Recognize from what fiction that is coming from.

We know the alleged stone was only "deciphered" in a novel by an author many years after. This effort seems to have not understood that the 90 foot stone of legend was supposed to be undecipherable. It's point is to drive you nuts trying to decipher it, because the vault must remain elusive before the time chosen for its opening.

I think that anyone could satisfy himself that this was already given as an explanation to the public in 1847 by Haliburton in order explain the Masonic shenanigans at OI. It is for us to appreciate that even then no one was greatly fooled, except for a public that was further away and not so well read that they wouldn't stumble on the very revealing criticism.

As details, a lot of these things have their place. Is any of this really there? Not very likely at all. Morris' plan was real, and it might involve some Masonic signaling (in the vein of Washington D.C. was planned later). We should all be very suspicious of the Archibalds if you ask me. They had enough brains, understanding and local connections to pull it off.
 

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Hi Justawolf
Welcome to the "Show"!
The 90 foot stone was originally found by the 3 young men in 1795.
The translation claimed to be written on the stone was never intended to be
deciphered by anyone who was not an expert in mathematics.
I would believe it to be a warning to those that knew...not to proceed further!
Only those instructed would stop and look for the side Tunnel running to the Treasure Vault!

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As previously discussed in the thread, the 90 foot stone was a fake created to fleece more investors out of money.

When the scam didn’t work, it was thrown away.

Being thrown away should indicate the stone’s credibility.

The stone was as fake as all the fictional treasure tunnels and vaults.

The only tunnels ever built on the island were the ones built by searchers looking for the fictional treasure.
 

Hi Justawolf
Welcome to the "Show"!
The 90 foot stone was originally found by the 3 young men in 1795.
The translation claimed to be written on the stone was never intended to be
deciphered by anyone who was not an expert in mathimatics.
I would believe it to be a warning to those that knew...not to proceed further!
Only those instructed would stop and look for the side Tunnel running to the Treasure Vault!

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Everything you repeat here is unsubstantiated, and in some cases contradicted by what we know. What we know is that the 40 characters are a later detail that was allegedly passed on to the individual, a novelist, who popularized his solution to what no one can confirm is given from any historical context. So, it's invention based on a detail with no provenance. There is no mathematics to do on symbols, per se. You would be limited to trying to interpret them as numbers or to simply count them.

I'll give you my amateur mathematical take on this. Count the number of symbols in each grouping. 6, 4, 5, 3 (18) for the top line; 7, 6, 3, 6 (22) for the bottom line. 2 lines of 4 groupings that can be summed: 13, 10, 8, 9. That's an embraced 13 +9=22 and 10 + 8=18. So, 22 and 18 again. If you reduce to digital roots, you get 4, 1, 8, 9 which sums to 22.
22/18=1.222222 with repeating decimal of 22.

18/22 reduces to 9/11 and that is equal to 0.81818181... repeating 81. What can we glean from this bit of sorcery? With a repeating decimal of n=2 units, 10^2-1/ denominator (11) is supposed to give you its numerical partner 100-1/11=9.
So 9 and 11 are very harmonious polycyclic pair in number theory (their roots harmonize).

18/22=0.8181818181
4/22=0.18181818181

18/22+4/22=1, as it should
18/22-4/22=14/22 and that is the height to base ratio of the great pyramid's profile, because half of that is the Kepler triangle of 14/11 which comes from the relationship of Phi, the golden ratio, in the Kepler triangle. Phi is the hypotenuse length of the Kepler triangle. It's height is he square root of Phi.

14/11-9/11=5/11=0.4545454; and that is reciprocal of 2.2

Can we say anything else about this? Yes, this Phi based math was not appreciated in modern times before about 1608. That's quite helpful to know that we are dealing with something that is not ancient Templar anything. It tells us that whoever is tugging on your leg has a post secondary level of education too. That is not to be unexpected in Victorian times.

Anyway, I'll just close by saying that the story we are given is based in 40 where 8 by 5 is used as a the simple approximation for Phi, 8/5=1.6 which is the 5th one given by the Fibonacci sequence.

Kepler's writing is probably behind the folky idea we are handed that says there are "more than one treasure" at OI. In Kepler's opinion there where two great treasures given to men to know the world with. They were the Pythagorean theorem and the golden ratio. He compared them to gold and silver in alchemical parlance. That's the gold and silver you will dig for if you mind the details of the OI stories, as opposed to mine the ground. And again, this was all described in 1847 when the thing was dissected critically by a contemporary of the Archibalds who knew their Masonic leanings. Pythagoras is considered a symbolic brother in the fraternity of Masons. Pythagoreanism is at the root of a lot of the symbolism we are get presented with in Masonic allegories. Your 9 levels of 10 units for the hole is a call out to the repeating 9 digits in our repeating cycle of numbers. 9 has the connotation of being the last step before a return to the monad with ten (a return to the zero of the monad).

Is this even clever? No, not really. It should probably jump out right at us. Problem is we are very far from having a smart and informed hoi poloi. You can show this to people and sill not have them pick up on anything that isn't more in line than a Disney suggestion.
 

Everything you repeat here is unsubstantiated, and in some cases contradicted by what we know. What we know is that the 40 characters are a later detail that was allegedly passed on to the individual, a novelist, who popularized his solution to what no one can confirm is given from any historical context. So, it's invention based on a detail with no provenance. There is no mathematics to do on symbols, per se. You would be limited to trying to interpret them as numbers or to simply count them.

I'll give you my amateur mathematical take on this. Count the number of symbols in each grouping. 6, 4, 5, 3 (18) for the top line; 7, 6, 3, 6 (22) for the bottom line. 2 lines of 4 groupings that can be summed: 13, 10, 8, 9. That's an embraced 13 +9=22 and 10 + 8=18. So, 22 and 18 again. If you reduce to digital roots, you get 4, 1, 8, 9 which sums to 22.
22/18=1.222222 with repeating decimal of 22.

18/22 reduces to 9/11 and that is equal to 0.81818181... repeating 81. What can we glean from this bit of sorcery? With a repeating decimal of n=2 units, 10^2-1/ denominator (11) is supposed to give you its numerical partner 100-1/11=9.
So 9 and 11 are very harmonious polycyclic pair in number theory (their roots harmonize).

18/22=0.8181818181
4/22=0.18181818181

18/22+4/22=1, as it should
18/22-4/22=14/22 and that is the height to base ratio of the great pyramid's profile, because half of that is the Kepler triangle of 14/11 which comes from the relationship of Phi, the golden ratio, in the Kepler triangle. Phi is the hypotenuse length of the Kepler triangle. It's height is he square root of Phi.

14/11-9/11=5/11=0.4545454; and that is reciprocal of 2.2

Can we say anything else about this? Yes, this Phi based math was not appreciated in modern times before about 1608. That's quite helpful to know that we are dealing with something that is not ancient Templar anything. It tells us that whoever is tugging on your leg has a post secondary level of education too. That is not to be unexpected in Victorian times.

Anyway, I'll just close by saying that the story we are given is based in 40 where 8 by 5 is used as a the simple approximation for Phi, 8/5=1.6 which is the 5th one given by the Fibonacci sequence.

Kepler's writing is probably behind the folky idea we are handed that says there are "more than one treasure" at OI. In Kepler's opinion there where two great treasures given to men to know the world with. They were the Pythagorean theorem and the golden ratio. He compared them to gold and silver in alchemical parlance. That's the gold and silver you will dig for if you mind the details of the OI stories, as opposed to mine the ground. And again, this was all described in 1847 when the thing was dissected critically by a contemporary of the Archibalds who knew their Masonic leanings. Pythagoras is considered a symbolic brother in the fraternity of Masons. Pythagoreanism is at the root of a lot of the symbolism we are get presented with in Masonic allegories. Your 9 levels of 10 units for the hole is a call out to the repeating 9 digits in our repeating cycle of numbers. 9 has the connotation of being the last step before a return to the monad with ten (a return to the zero of the monad).

Is this even clever? No, not really. It should probably jump out right at us. Problem is we are very far from having a smart and informed hoi poloi. You can show this to people and sill not have them pick up on anything that isn't more in line than a Disney suggestion.
Hi SSR
I was not referring to letter/number counting. but to Basic Math Symbols
 

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