State grants Secret Service vast new powers

[BosnMate]

Scary how some of these people hold out weaver and David koresh as heroes.

What did either one of them do wrong? What law did they break?

 

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[Chadeaux]

Jeff said "law abiding citizens"! So yeah...you need to continue.

Well, he was acquitted, since when does that mean guilty?

Acquitted of all charges except two, one was dismissed by the judge. The only thing he was convicted of was "failure to appear".

 

[bevo]

I can't believe you said that stocky, hahaha. Anyway granting the ss such power would be a disgrace to everything America stands for. the ides of march, the night of broken glass so on and so on. Of course that xxxx only happens in other places at other times.



ya I know what I said so don't bother

 

[Libertytreespirit]

oh and the current count of law abiding citizens whose homes have been invaded by the Gov to confiscate weapons is at 0. further updates to follow

Oh what a short memory people have did we all forget about Katrina

 

[bevo]

smart ass remark 0. Truth 2 and climbing.

 

[bevo]

pay no attention to the man behind the curtain. billions of rounds, thousands of ar 15s and how many new urban assault vehicles.
nothin goin on hear huh? sht fire and brimstone!!!!

 

[Chadeaux]

Oh what a short memory people have did we all forget about Katrina

Thank you sir or madam. I didn't want to hit them with the big guns till they dug the hole a bit deeper, but thanks for telling the truth to those poor confused souls.

 

[Dano Sverige]

Well, he was acquitted, since when does that mean guilty?

Acquitted of all charges except two, one was dismissed by the judge. The only thing he was convicted of was "failure to appear".

So was OJ....is he innocent?

And how many times does "failure to appear" reap a $10,000 fine and 18 month jail term?

Just because he was "aquitted" doesn't mean to say he wasn't guilty.....which he most certainly was!
He sawed off the barrels of the shotguns - illegal.
He sold them to another person - illegal.
He took and spent the ill gotten gains!

He was NOT a "law abiding citizen"! ......all i said.

As for "Katrina"? - There was a "state of emergency", similar to martial law. Neither of which can be used in comparison to "everyday life". Nobody is taking anyone's guns in New Orleans now right? Thousands of Randy Weaver's still have their arsenals up in the mountains and white supremacist camps right?

So you see Bevo....it's actually "truth knowers" 2 - 0 "Paranoiacs"!

 

[Treasure_Hunter]

Knows nothing about what happen here except what BBS posts.

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[0121stockpicker]

Knows nothing about what happen here except what BBS posts.

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But like it or not his information is correct.

In my opinion absolutely no one in American society should be holding up weaver or koresh as "martyrs of the cause". Nothing good ever comes from extremism but death and misery.

 

[Treasure_Hunter]

That's your opinion I guess your entitled to it even though it is wrong....

Our company had people working in NO right after Katrina hit restoring communications I know what went on there...

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[Chadeaux]

So was OJ....is he innocent?

And how many times does "failure to appear" reap a $10,000 fine and 18 month jail term?

Just because he was "aquitted" doesn't mean to say he wasn't guilty.....which he most certainly was!
He sawed off the barrels of the shotguns - illegal.
He sold them to another person - illegal.
He took and spent the ill gotten gains!

He was NOT a "law abiding citizen"! ......all i said.

As for "Katrina"? - There was a "state of emergency", similar to martial law. Neither of which can be used in comparison to "everyday life". Nobody is taking anyone's guns in New Orleans now right? Thousands of Randy Weaver's still have their arsenals up in the mountains and white supremacist camps right?

So you see Bevo....it's actually "truth knowers" 2 - 0 "Paranoiacs"!

Absolute lunacy Dano.

Acquitted means NOT GUILTY. PERIOD.

You can saw off the barrel of a shotgun and it can still be legal. I think it is an 18" barrel or shorter that is illegal . . . someone please help as I'm not sure of the length. It can LEGALLY be done on any shotgun. I'll check with the local gunsmith to get the actual legal / illegal lengths. On the pump shotgun I was purchasing, the barrel would have been cut about 1/2" past the end of the magazine.

You can sell your firearms in this country. You can sell them to anyone who you wish. If a felon purchases it, HE / SHE has broken the law, not you.

Since not one thing there is illegal, they were not ill gotten gains, therefore, what is wrong with spending your own money?

 

[Red James Cash]

Legal shotgun barrel length is 18 inches.Then again sawed off shotguns are not illegal if you have a class 3 permit.

 

[Dano Sverige]

Ok, well basically Chad' just show me what length Randy sawed them down to, and did he have a class 3 permit?

Pretty unlikely that the ATF would "set him up" to sell them "legal" guns...right?

As TH said to me a few weeks back..."Just because you weren't caught doesn't mean to say you're not a criminal!"

He was guilty as sin...and you know it! Had he turned up at court on the day it would have been "Guilty as charged...10 years...next!" and that's why he didn't turn up, he KNEW he'd done wrong and didn't have a leg to stand on.

 

[Backbacon]

The first statement.... sealed it up in the "hooey section" no?

"Soon will be able to enforce Obama gun laws without sheriffs’ help" Truly a well thought out statement? Enforce what newly implemented laws? Sheriffs’ help, Sheriffs’ help... The Boy Scouts are coming to shoot people

 

[Bum Luck]

WND is the same "news" source that ran a 6 part series claiming that eating soybeans would make you gay - among many many other pieces of quality "news". At least no one can accuse them of being "mainstream media".

"Bean" eatin' them for years; great food source right at your fingertips for those of us "outstanding in our field".

They're a little bland, but they are better than hunger when you forget lunch.

Won't eat tofu, though. yuk.

 

[Chadeaux]

Ok, well basically Chad' just show me what length Randy sawed them down to, and did he have a class 3 permit?

Pretty unlikely that the ATF would "set him up" to sell them "legal" guns...right?

As TH said to me a few weeks back..."Just because you weren't caught doesn't mean to say you're not a criminal!"

He was guilty as sin...and you know it! Had he turned up at court on the day it would have been "Guilty as charged...10 years...next!" and that's why he didn't turn up, he KNEW he'd done wrong and didn't have a leg to stand on.

Quite unlikely that the ATF would have set him up? How about the guy who was being investigated and questioned about arms . . . and somehow managed to DRINK a half gallon of bleach they claim he "snuck" into the interrogation room and then was able to guzzle the entire thing while the "agents" were out of the room?

Listen, there is a lot of stuff that you DON'T KNOW. You ASSUME you know, you ASSUME that everything is done above board.

Fast and Furious was TELLING gun dealers to violate the law in selling those weapons to KNOWN straw buyers. THAT IS ILLEGAL, but you don't see how they could be doing something similar with Mr. Weaver?

The difference with Mr. Weaver and TH's comment is this: Randy Weaver WAS CAUGHT, ARRESTED, TRIED and FOUND NOT GUILTY.

Then he underwent a trial. To you folks over in Yurp, you think a trial is being allowed a chance to prove that you are innocent.

In this country, the law has to prove their case by a preponderance of the evidence. In other words, the evidence has to be such that any reasonably intelligent person could ascertain that you had indeed committed the crime. The ATF could not prove their case and thus Mr. Weaver was acquitted. For you folks who love the nanny state, that means he didn't do what he was accused of . . . he was found INNOCENT of all but 2 charges. One of those charges was dismissed by the judge.

"Failure to appear" means that you did not appear at the prearranged time (set by the court ONLY) to enter a plea.

Our judicial system here is different. Just because the cops say you did it doesn't mean you have to be guilty. They have to prove it.

 

[0121stockpicker]

Better watch out it was on the Internet so it must be true.

I'm interested to know if anyone thinks that this is a legitimate source of truthful news? And if not, does that mean we will no longer be seeing ""articles"" being posted from this "news site".

 

[jerseyben]

Better watch out it was on the Internet so it must be true.

I'm interested to know if anyone thinks that this is a legitimate source of truthful news? And if not, does that mean we will no longer be seeing ""articles"" being posted from this "news site".

picker... I think we already know the answer to that one.

 

[Chadeaux]

Ok, well basically Chad' just show me what length Randy sawed them down to, and did he have a class 3 permit?

Pretty unlikely that the ATF would "set him up" to sell them "legal" guns...right?

As TH said to me a few weeks back..."Just because you weren't caught doesn't mean to say you're not a criminal!"

He was guilty as sin...and you know it! Had he turned up at court on the day it would have been "Guilty as charged...10 years...next!" and that's why he didn't turn up, he KNEW he'd done wrong and didn't have a leg to stand on.

You tell me the length of the barrels of those shotguns. Oh, you can't? Neither can I unless I take a look at the court records, but I prefer not to overstep my bounds with Pacer (Access to court records via U.S. Court system) as that might be seen as abuse if done only to settle an argument.

Neither you nor I were privy to that information, only what has been released via the press who had a love affair with Slick Willie Klinton. Of course, nothing negative was released. How can I say that? While on surveillance --- observing and taking pictures for a case I was working on in 1991 (before his election). I was present when Jennifer Flowers was allowed into a building where Klinton has having a fundraiser. The Arkansas Democrat and the Arkansas Gazette had photographers and press there covering who entered and exited the building that day. Not sure if there was any national press as it was early in the summer. Cool enough to hide in the back seat of a car without needing air conditioning.

Jennifer stopped and talked with the reporters, they joked, took a few photos WITH HER. When she asked that they not report she was there, they acted like they didn't know her.

I was asked by a certain State Police officer for my film, but when he saw that I had yet to take a photo, I was allowed to continue my surveillance.

Needless to say, the pics and the story never appeared in the Democrat or any other paper.

Do I expect the press to tell the truth? No. However, when the judge says he is innocent, I have to go along with it.

So, you asked earlier about OJ? I don't believe he committed the crime. I believe some "assistant" was paid to do the murders by OJ.