Spanish Gold Coin

[ort.underwriter]

Spanish Gold Coin, Just don't know anything about it, Value, History, Etc.

 

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[ClonedSIM]

Is that an Escudo? Where did you get the piece? It looks handmade.

 

[gold wish]

well that is a beatiful coin , you might just take it to someone who knows about coins, if it has bad dents or any other major damage it could cut the value in half keep up the good work
HH. gold wish.......................
PS. if that gold isn't worth much just remember there will be more and more to come

 

[Mackaydon]

Can you show us a pic of the reverse side?
Don.......

 

[gold wish]

how big is this coin this can help me figer out it's value, thanks
Gold wish...............

 

[ort.underwriter]

The coin is just larger than an american nickle, it doesn't have any damage to either side of the coin. I've attached the reverse side of the coin.

any ideas

 

[bomber]

she sure is purty

 

[wreckdiver1715]

Gold Escudo coin (2 or 4 Escudo depending on weight). Santa Fe De Bogota Cross 1651-1758, could tell more with a clearer picture of the first photo.

hope that helps

Q

 

[Trez]

Gold Escudo coin (2 or 4 Escudo depending on weight). Santa Fe De Bogota Cross 1651-1758, could tell more with a clearer picture of the first photo.

hope that helps

Q

W-diver,
You may want to think about it being a 4 escudos...remember what this mint was known for?
If you think it be that of the Santa Fe de Bogota mint...like the escudos found often of the Rio-Mar Wreck-site or even the Maravillas site.
It can't be a 4...
That mint didn't make a 4 escudos, that time period.
From a quick glance, it does appear to resemble a common 2 Bogota. And I'm not going to get into if it's real or not....lol
Lets see if we get better pictures of this item, then go from there.
Trez

 

[Mackaydon]

Rotate the coin so that the "X" is in the upper right; then the coin is positioned 'upright'.
The shield is a Bourbon Shield, versus a basic Hapsburg Shield. If the coin is Mexican, it is NOT one from 1702-1710, 1711 or 1712 since the "X" on those coins is incomplete versus on the subject coin; at least on the 8 escudos coin.
The configuration of the cross is sometimes referred to as a cross of Jerusalem. As such, it does appear on 1711 and 1712 Mexican 8 escudos coin.
So if the shield detail and the cross detail are also on escudos of lower denomination, and in the same years as mentioned above, is this coin another variety or a fake?
Don......

 

[Trez]

Rotate the coin so that the "X" is in the upper right; then the coin is positioned 'upright'.
The shield is a Bourbon Shield, versus a basic Hapsburg Shield. If the coin is Mexican, it is NOT one from 1702-1710, 1711 or 1712 since the "X" on those coins is incomplete versus on the subject coin; at least on the 8 escudos coin.
The configuration of the cross is sometimes referred to as a cross of Jerusalem. As such, it does appear on 1711 and 1712 Mexican 8 escudos coin.
So if the shield detail and the cross detail are also on escudos of lower denomination, and in the same years as mentioned above, is this coin another variety or a fake?
Don......

The mint (Sante Fe de Bogota) did use the Bourbon shield for a time....on it's Phillip IV / Felipe IV coinage.
But, I see what you are saying........

 

[Real de Tayopa Tropical Tramp]

Trez . And I'm not going to get into if it's real or not....lol
Trez
******
CHICKEN!!! hehehhe

Tropical Tramp

 

[Trez]

Gold Escudo coin (2 or 4 Escudo depending on weight). Santa Fe De Bogota Cross 1651-1758, could tell more with a clearer picture of the first photo.

hope that helps

Q

W-diver,
You may want to think about it being a 4 escudos...remember what this mint was known for?
If you think it be that of the Santa Fe de Bogota mint...like the escudos found often of the Rio-Mar Wreck-site or even the Maravillas site.
It can't be a 4...
That mint didn't make a 4 escudos, that time period.
From a quick glance, it does appear to resemble a common 2 Bogota. And I'm not going to get into if it's real or not....lol
Lets see if we get better pictures of this item, then go from there.
Trez

Doc, In my earlier post I stated I wasn't going to get into if it's authentic or not...nothing has changed.

 

[Angelo]

Oh, Boy.

 

[wreckdiver1715]

I am no expert in numismatics, and no one, not even an expert can determine a fake (unless absolutely obvious), without seeing it in person. For me, I assume that anyone posting on this site is on the up and up. If they are trying to scam us with a fraud, well that usually becomes self evident in relative short order. As for the picture we are all looking at today, a photo with much better resolution is in order so we can see what we have for the mint mark, assayer mark and denomination on the obverse side of the coin. The reverse side still appears to me to resemble escudos from Santa Fe De Bogotá.
Trez, I was not aware that they did not produce 4 escudos at Santa Fe De Bogotá. Even us old dogs can still learn a thing or two.

Q

 

[Trez]

Thanks W-diver,
Your right............
I just wanted to pass on about the 4...before all H broke loose....lol
And I agree............about the learning thing?
Off to the ball-game.................

Trez

 

[trk5capt]

ORT, I Have Never Found A Gold Coin, Maybe Someday, But I Have Found Spanish Reals, I Am No Coin Expert, But Somthing About Your Find Doesn't Look Right. The Reals I Have Found Are Much Sharper. Just My 2 Cents. Trk5capt...

 

[gold wish]

I say take it to someone who knows what's up about this kind of stuff, HH,
Gold wish...........................

 

[gold wish]

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Quote from: wreckdiver1715 on Today at 02:34:08 PM
I am no expert in numismatics, and no one, not even an expert can determine a fake (unless absolutely obvious), without seeing it in person. For me, I assume that anyone posting on this site is on the up and up. If they are trying to scam us with a fraud, well that usually becomes self evident in relative short order. As for the picture we are all looking at today, a photo with much better resolution is in order so we can see what we have for the mint mark, assayer mark and denomination on the obverse side of the coin. The reverse side still appears to me to resemble escudos from Santa Fe De Bogotá.
Trez, I was not aware that they did not produce 4 escudos at Santa Fe De Bogotá. Even us old dogs can still learn a thing or two.

Q



If you will look closely you will see that the tressure placement(and it is very faint) appears similar to the Mexico Mint coin 1715 Escudo shown on page 77 of the 2nd Edition Practical Cob coin book by Sedwick.

Doc

I bet your right.

 

[Real de Tayopa Tropical Tramp]

Sheehs Trez my friend, I was only kidding as should have been evident. You both do a magnificient job.

Tropical Tramp