So much for beach renourishment.... lol

[Hangingfor8]

I have been outspoken on the fact that beach renourishment doesn't work. I have been watching what this little storm has been doing and I'm not impressed. This is a weak tropical storm at best and people are screaming that our beaches are gone. Well, they are half right.
The fact is.... the beach where they have added sand is gone, but it's just back to the original sand line. The beach less than 2 miles south is perfectly fine. It has very little if any thing gone from it. You can't pump sand that's not of the same grade on a beach, not compact it, and expect it to stay in place when the first wave over 4 feet hits it. I'm all for letting mother natural do as she pleases, but if we are going to throw millions of dollars to a project.... why not do it right?

 

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[davest]

three years ago here on the west coast off of St. Petersburg Beach/Treasure Island/Maderia Beach/ Redington and a few others, a dead zone developed, about 300 sq miles of dead ocean(yeah, I know it's the Gulf of Mexico) and we got the states' opinion that it was red tide, a very bad red tide. At that time they were easing the strain on a phosphate pit that was fixin to break by filling up barges and taking the phosphate water off shore were it would not do any harm. Ya got that, WOULD NOT DO ANY HARM. well, the bottom is just starting to recover, but how do you regrow corals and seafans in a short time? I can't wait til they start drilling in area 81, hell, we need some tar balls on our beaches so we don't feel left out. Sorry, but I think some places that aren't totally messed up shouldn't be totally messed up.

 

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[Hangingfor8]

I've noticed the sand fleas have left so I'm guessing the fish won't be far behind. I guess the sharks will have nothing but people to eat then...

 

[Copperhead]

guess we'll have to take up a collection for the renourishment and let the schools slide..................................again. Renourishment is just another way of saying "redistributing the wealth", with out a beach those condos just wouldn't be the same, would they?

I watched in horror as they did this renourishment to the beach where I live. It turned the once aqua color water to the color of chocolate milk and it stunk to high heaven. The sand that they pumped onto the beach is full of trash, I mean full! I watched last night and some this morning as Mother Nature laughed and slapped the beach with large waves.

They also don't want bright lights on the beach, it confuses the turtles but yet they have generators with huge bright spotlights so they can work and pump sand at night, I guess it's ok for them to do it but not anyone else.

What's funny to me is a few miles north where there are no beachside condos only dunes and sea oats, it is not needed. The dunes do their job and the oats as well as they hold it all together.

Sure they can close schools but spend millions doing this WTF?/

Hey maybe I am wrong but I don't see the good in this. Ok I am done now.

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I just went to the beach for a look. This is looking south. The ledge is about 3.5 feet. It looks like about 5 feet of it is gone. It was all of the sand pumped onto the beach.

I had to laugh when I saw your picture...they did the same thing up here this spring at a state beach...the stuff they brought in was more like top soil than sand...the first good storm, and it looked exactly like your picture...saw 2 state park employees standing there just looking at it....it was like muck to walk thru once it got wet...thankfully most of got washed away...but what it did to to the ecosystem..who knows?...I'm sure they'll be back at it again come spring...fools...

 

[JP]

All of this is called let's make the rich condo owner who pays prime tax rates happy. It doesn't matter that it's destroying the ecosystem. They can just blame that on weekend sportsman who enjoy a day of fishing, with catch limits, because the zones are dead.

Why not spend the money on natural ways to protect the coast? I guess that's common sense and doesn't play with this game.

All good points everybody brings up.

Talking of dead zones, I remember a few years ago we went out in the boat fishing off of Tarpon Springs, Florida for three hours in the gulf, went out with three dozen of shrimp and two boxes of squid. Returned to shore with the same. There wasn't anything out there, not one place that we stopped. The worst day out there you would at least have shiners taking your bait, not even one. I had the same shrimp the whole time. The same time the previous year it was non stop mackerel and grouper. When we were close to shore we stopped and let the shrimp go, not one thing went after them. The water was crystal clear and not one thing around. Scary.

 

[Jason in TN]

It does not work and is money wasted but hey some ones brother in law needs to make some money. And after the storm he can get paid again.

 

[FLauthor]

Let's hope they don't use the method that's used at Deerfield Beach. Placing rock boulders between the ocean and seawall. Hunted there years ago, don't know how effective it was during a storm of this magnitude. But anything is possible when you have knuckle heads in high places. They should have never built a thing on the east side of A1A, should have left it as sand dunes and sea oats.
Those are some nice finds you've got there, Hangingfor8. I haven't been over there lately but I'll be out there this fall with my TH'ing buddy.

 

[billinstuart]

There is no fiscal responsibility on the part of our "coastal engineers". They can waste millions of taxpayers dollars on worthless endeavors, and then say "oh well, that didn't work did it?" Renourishment does placate the adjacent condo property owners, most of whom are clueless anyhow.

 

[Hangingfor8]

I just came from the beach this morning. Most of the "new" beach sand is gone, while the old sand areas miles away seam to have this really pretty reddish colored sand. The hunting was tough today the waves were breaking way up the beach even at low tide. I hope it'll be better on the next low.

I wish the Govt people would just start buying out the condos and such. They could buy them out and allow them to profit till it was deemed to dangerous to live there. At that point the dwelling should be demolitioned and returned to the people as a natural dune park. This would be alot cheaper in the long run and it would provide the people of Florida a much nicer beach to visit. The law does say that the people of Florida own the beach why shouldn't we have more say in what happens to it?

 

[Hangingfor8]

I love how the media says the beach renourishment saved the beach...... It's funny how the new sand is the only thing that got hit. Idiots!!!

 

[Bigcypresshunter]

I love how the media says the beach renourishment saved the beach...... It's funny how the new sand is the only thing that got hit. Idiots!!!

Maybe it saved these condos. ...heres a pic from Sunday. Dont let those condos fall in!

 

[billinstuart]

Stabilized inlets such as Ponce accelerate the erosion south of them.

Is it possible that reddish sand has migrated south from the Flagler area?

 

[Hangingfor8]

I think the red sand is from Bethune Beach south of New Smyrna. The problem is that most storms take the sand north. The old timers in the area said that the beaches never had problems until the stabilization of the inlet was done by adding jetties on each side. If you look from google earth the south jetties actually go all the way to the river and there was very little land there when the inlet was stabilized. The south jetty was much farther in the water than the north but the sand has piled up there through the years. The sand catching there is ok except the jetties prevent any sand from being carried back south with normal tidal currents. Whats happening is the beach is becoming less (a few miles) south of the inlet, but it's actually building at the inlet. On the north side of the inlet there's terrible erosion problems because the sand never makes it past the south jetty to help replace what the tides, storms, and etc take away. Basically, we started the problem and adding sand isn't the answer. The inlet stabilization is what started all the problems. Maybe if they just removed the jetties and just dredged the inlet yearly or they could solve the problems?

 

[gold-digger]

Problem is: there not spending there own money, but yours and mine, so they dont care about wasting it. Pull the money from the local taxes or up there local mileage and watch how fast the complain about waste.

 

[SandFiddler]

A very complex and interesting subject. Beaches have always migrated over time. On some eastern USA satellite images you can see ancient coastlines well inland. I doubt that engineers can pump enough sand to control it over the long haul.

 

[Bigcypresshunter]

Some pics from last years storm.

 

[davest]

is that why our homeowners insurance is so high? So we can pay for those buildings that are built on artificial lands? Geebus, my h. o. insurance tripled this year and I've never had a claim against it in 30 years.